Where did all the roleplay go?

[Daco]

always some old guy starts a newpaper acting serious and gets the thrill to watch everybody getting trolled

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Jubin]

Yes, JDC has a lot of good views and points, most of which I agree with, but he's more interested in winning an argument then he is in actually helping change the atmosphere in-game.
As such most of his actions work counter-productive and only helps fuel the flame.

v^

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2975

gtfo scrub.

You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.

[Abraham]

You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.

I was... I don't... wha...  :gd:

[Morais]

I was... I don't... wha...  :gd:

Next time use [sarcasm][/sarcasm]

[BlackEagle]

You do guys know that id has nothing to do, who has been longer in here.

wut
Post Merge: July 31, 2012, 01:18:22 amoh

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.

I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.

One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."

That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.

[eymas]

Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.

I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.

One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."

That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.

Issue new rules then. like the ARA.

[Caltson]

Gandalf / Owner / Developers plz help in this issue.

I have not taken part in this thread much, probably read a few posts.

One issue troubles me.
"1. This is a roleplay server please stay within decent realms of roleplay."

That being said, why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.

You can't eat two apples at once.
That said, you also cannot roleplay two different situations on one exact same spot in particular cases.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Issue new rules then. like the ARA.

I understand your point however, you don't need every written rule when it comes to common sense / roleplay.

Pretty obvious that if you do /ad Maratho etc. It's of some roleplay, and getting permission for this event from the necesarry authority is a no brainer and ingorance to the laws shouldn't be dismissed with "EVENT".

This isn't "Argonath Mini Events", however they very popualar and perhaps they should make it


I just want to hear from Developers, is it wrong for me to think this way? To think that such roles exist and they are not supposed to function becuase "EVENT"

[Conroy]

why are people allowed to occupy the airports, public spaces and say "EVENT" and if you do your roleplay of ATC or Police, they say "EVENT RUINER" or "EVENT".
I don't understand. They use /ad. They use their roleplay groups for the event.

An event does not always involve roleplay, they are for players to interact with each other, have fun and earn some money at the same time
Events have always been something Argonath is good at and will always be good at

I have always looked at Argonath as a server where you create your own roleplay scenarios, which is why it's different from other servers
If you are driving a car, you should be prepared to interact with other road users
If you are on police duty, you should be prepared to interact with civilians, suspects and other police officers
If you are standing outside City Hall doing nothing, expect players to drive past without paying much attention - but you should be prepared for random people to approach you because they might be in the middle of a roleplay

With that being said, creating an event which doesn't involve roleplay expects players to join this event without roleplaying, simple
If you approach players who are participating in such an event with intentions to roleplay with them, then it could be seen as ruining the event because that particular event wasn't created for roleplay

This isn't related to your question but it is a good time to answer it (from my point of view, isn't official):
Refusing to take part in a roleplay - allowed or not?
The most obvious answer to this question is that you cannot refuse to roleplay on a roleplay server, but from what I previously said about Argonath being a server that allows you to create your own roleplay scenarios, I think there are occasions where refusing to roleplay is acceptable
For instance, if you are on fire duty waiting at the fire station for the next mission when a mafia approaches you and attempts to kidnap, I feel you should be allowed to refuse to take part in it
Why? Because you have chosen to start a role as a firefighter - what does that have to do with armed mafias threatening your life over money? Nothing
However, this situation can be executed on another player who has hostile connections with the mafia, in that case I don't see why you should refuse to roleplay with them
You created that connection, therefore you should be responsible for maintaining roleplay between it

The most common situation I have dealt with is when a mafia member refuses to roleplay with another mafia because they know they will get killed
If you are in a mafia, be prepared to interact with other mafias
If you are refusing to roleplay with another mafia because you might get killed, then you should considering changing role

Like I said, that answer was from my perspective, if Gandalf thinks it's bullshit then that is up to him - he makes the rules

[[NP]Monte Montague]

An event does not always involve roleplay, they are for players to interact with each other, have fun and earn some money at the same time
Events have always been something Argonath is good at and will always be good at

I have always looked at Argonath as a server where you create your own roleplay scenarios, which is why it's different from other servers
If you are driving a car, you should be prepared to interact with other road users
If you are on police duty, you should be prepared to interact with civilians, suspects and other police officers
If you are standing outside City Hall doing nothing, expect players to drive past without paying much attention - but you should be prepared for random people to approach you because they might be in the middle of a roleplay

With that being said, creating an event which doesn't involve roleplay expects players to join this event without roleplaying, simple
If you approach players who are participating in such an event with intentions to roleplay with them, then it could be seen as ruining the event because that particular event wasn't created for roleplay

This isn't related to your question but it is a good time to answer it (from my point of view, isn't official):
Refusing to take part in a roleplay - allowed or not?
The most obvious answer to this question is that you cannot refuse to roleplay on a roleplay server, but from what I previously said about Argonath being a server that allows you to create your own roleplay scenarios, I think there are occasions where refusing to roleplay is acceptable
For instance, if you are on fire duty waiting at the fire station for the next mission when a mafia approaches you and attempts to kidnap, I feel you should be allowed to refuse to take part in it
Why? Because you have chosen to start a role as a firefighter - what does that have to do with armed mafias threatening your life over money? Nothing
However, this situation can be executed on another player who has hostile connections with the mafia, in that case I don't see why you should refuse to roleplay with them
You created that connection, therefore you should be responsible for maintaining roleplay between it

The most common situation I have dealt with is when a mafia member refuses to roleplay with another mafia because they know they will get killed
If you are in a mafia, be prepared to interact with other mafias
If you are refusing to roleplay with another mafia because you might get killed, then you should considering changing role

Like I said, that answer was from my perspective, if Gandalf thinks it's bullshit then that is up to him - he makes the rules

^ Confusing.

Please answer on airports for example which is used everyday where ATC and Pilots use as a source of roleplay and someone comes makes an event on it.

There are some people who use common sense and pick up the phone and contact an ATC who discusess the issues then trys to liase with relevent people - EMS, rescuers, police and it all goes fine. But then some are like "Dude lol? Wtf it's an event" but it's also then a roleplay server... so why spoil it for those who want to roleplay.

I see the whole feeling towards such issue varys from one admin to another and as that happens the general rule / message / view becomes corrupt and as a result people must think "Oh wait I roleplay this a long time but I should worry now because this admin is on and not that admin" or "its this guy and not that guy" or "it's an event".

[Conroy]

Ideally, if you are in the process of roleplaying ATC and using the airport, then the person hosting the event should contact you to inform you about it and make sure it doesn't affect your roleplay

On the other hand, if you want to start the roleplay after the event started, then don't expect the event to stop

Remember that the airport is a public area and isn't controlled by ATC, anyone can roleplay there or create events there assuming nothing is currently going on

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Ideally, if you are in the process of roleplaying ATC and using the airport, then the person hosting the event should contact you to inform you about it and make sure it doesn't affect your roleplay

On the other hand, if you want to start the roleplay after the event started, then don't expect the event to stop

Remember that the airport is a public area and isn't controlled by ATC, anyone can roleplay there or create events there assuming nothing is currently going on

yes, makes sense so far but then:
o-o "isn't controlled by ATC" - well this is news.

What is ATC then? and why do many pilots ask for permission to land and or take off from ATC?
I need to see a final official notice on this bit you just mention!!

Just like your example of fireman waiting for next issue, ATC is waiting for next roleplay so there is no question that they need to contact ATC before hand who will roleplay and every pilot who will be landing or roleplaying on airport also needs to be contacted.


I can't say I agree with it's a public place, as in anyone just walks in and chills on the runway, is that your opinion or law and or rule?

[Conroy]

Air traffic controllers are people trained to maintain the safe, orderly and expeditious flow of air traffic

The only time ATC are allowed to control other people is when they are in the path of an aircraft (IRL)
In Argonath, in roleplay terms, the same situation applies I guess, but it doesn't affect people who aren't involved in such roleplay

The airport isn't closed to the public, there are gates, but anyone can operate them
This means anyone can enter at any time unless the area is closed for a valid reason

As for that being my opinion, a law or a rule:
It isn't stated in the rules therefore it is not a rule
It isn't stated in the laws therefore it is not a law - However, if the police have closed an area and someone refuses to comply, that is breaking the law
This isn't my opinion, it is common sense - if it's not listed as being closed to the public, then it's not closed to the public

If you have any sources which state otherwise, I would like to see them

[[NP]Monte Montague]

The only time ATC are allowed to control other people is when they are in the path of an aircraft (IRL)
In Argonath, in roleplay terms, the same situation applies I guess, but it doesn't affect people who aren't involved in such roleplay

The airport isn't closed to the public, there are gates, but anyone can operate them
This means anyone can enter at any time unless the area is closed for a valid reason

As for that being my opinion, a law or a rule:
It isn't stated in the rules therefore it is not a rule
It isn't stated in the laws therefore it is not a law - However, if the police have closed an area and someone refuses to comply, that is breaking the law
This isn't my opinion, it is common sense - if it's not listed as being closed to the public, then it's not closed to the public

If you have any sources which state otherwise, I would like to see them

When those gates where put in there was these people known as "Federal Aviation Authority" - basically the Airport police. They used to control the in and out of people and where made up of SAPD's APRD etc and I don't think there was any official complaint / objection to it.

A runway is a place of which an aircraft may need to use within seconds of notice, and thus I put it to you that ATC is - due to the nature of air flight that at all and any times ATC is liable and in control for what goes on with the runways.

This could be his own opinion but just today an FBI suggested the ATC should be incharge of or make sure security such as police are in place for airports,  it was mentioned to the FBI that ATC relied on police for this sort of stuff, but SAPD (specifically, but perhaps also included all ARPD) apparently has no official rule / procedure when ensuring security or policing of airports are concerned - this coming about from further investigation.

But like you say it's not in the laws.
This is however a controversial subject.


Post Merge: August 02, 2012, 01:18:35 amBTw, when an event has started and someone didn't tell ATC but ATC just comes to do ATC / just notices it - itis too late to stop it and probably not right to but most of the times you just have a word and say that some things should be made aware of then it goes on.

It's a minor thing and it does offer many to take part in the event.

But then and again it depends on the admin online and if Admins really are involved in "events"

Dear Mr Monte_Montague,

I can share your concern regarding the use of public places for poorly organised events. However the Contitution is not to protect public places, but to secure the rights of citizens to create and hold public events.
Protection of events and citizens is a task for de executive force. In general I would suggest organisers of events to obtain cooperation from the respective authorities to safeguard the public.

We have that but we just need to now know the definition of respective authorites, where the respective places are concerned  http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=87782.0