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Title: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 10:01:16 am
Due to recent developments I would like to remind everyone here of the following:
1. Everyone has a fundamental right of privacy. They can disclose or hide as much of their real identity as they wish.
2. Whatever private information you may gather about any player, is not allowed to disclose to others without their knowledge and consent. This includes things like MSN, Skype or other ID's, pictures or any other information.
3. Using private information to harass or spread (mis)information about other players will result in an immediate community ban. This includes 'jokes' that are found not to be funny.
Please note that we will extend any community ban to all our communities.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Frank_Hawk on July 20, 2012, 11:15:48 am
Privacy is very important - thanks for highlighting this.

CJ will not be impressed though:

(http://media.gamesource.it/gallery/61851/Gamesource-3450.jpg)
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 11:17:22 am
Privacy is very important - thanks for highlighting this.

CJ will not be impressed though:

(http://media.gamesource.it/gallery/61851/Gamesource-3450.jpg)
Sign with your rel name and picture.....  :lol:
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Nexxt on July 20, 2012, 12:18:52 pm
Let me directly reply due to recent incidents also involved me. A lot of people agreed with me, where I said I do not want my personal details shared in public. A lot of people were against me during that time aswell, since they say I spread it myself aswell.

Let me point one thing out, there are a couple of people who are behaving nice and being friend witih me. On some moments, when they are for Facebook, Twitter, MSN or something like that, I will decide myself if I give out my real name or not. There are a couple of people who have my name and have me on Facebook; I am not against that, since I even know a couple of people from Argonath in real life, so that would be hypocrite if I moan about the fact people know my name.

The thing, which I am against. Is the part where people share your details for you, your personal details for your own to decide if you wanna spread it or not. There shouldn't be a 3rd party sharing your name for you, not knowing the consequences.

And let's not start about the e-bullying, I am openly bisexual for two / three year now. I started to "admit" it to people on Argonath before I came out IRL (and it helped me so much), but my friends who knew it for these three years never disrespected for it. I find it pretty silly, that some people (who have been here all the time) start to disrespect / make fun of you, after all this time they KNEW it.

I have been bullied all my life, I do barely feel the pain anymore. So if you want to disrespect me.. go ahead, but all the consequences are for yourself. I am not gonna feel sorry, because I forward the logs towards the managers. Because in the end, you were so stupid to decide to talk bad about someone and you should think once more, before throwing out your words.

Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Norrage on July 20, 2012, 12:57:50 pm
Thank you for clearing it out Gandalf.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Huntsman on July 20, 2012, 01:26:36 pm
Let me directly reply due to recent incidents also involved me. A lot of people agreed with me, where I said I do not want my personal details shared in public. A lot of people were against me during that time aswell, since they say I spread it myself aswell.

Let me point one thing out, there are a couple of people who are behaving nice and being friend witih me. On some moments, when they are for Facebook, Twitter, MSN or something like that, I will decide myself if I give out my real name or not. There are a couple of people who have my name and have me on Facebook; I am not against that, since I even know a couple of people from Argonath in real life, so that would be hypocrite if I moan about the fact people know my name.

The thing, which I am against. Is the part where people share your details for you, your personal details for your own to decide if you wanna spread it or not. There shouldn't be a 3rd party sharing your name for you, not knowing the consequences.

And let's not start about the e-bullying, I am openly bisexual for two / three year now. I started to "admit" it to people on Argonath before I came out IRL (and it helped me so much), but my friends who knew it for these three years never disrespected for it. I find it pretty silly, that some people (who have been here all the time) start to disrespect / make fun of you, after all this time they KNEW it.

I have been bullied all my life, I do barely feel the pain anymore. So if you want to disrespect me.. go ahead, but all the consequences are for yourself. I am not gonna feel sorry, because I forward the logs towards the managers. Because in the end, you were so stupid to decide to talk bad about someone and you should think once more, before throwing out your words.

I understand how you feel. If you need anyone to talk with anytime, dont hesitate to drop me a PM
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Devin on July 20, 2012, 02:08:05 pm
Would racial remarks be classed as e-bullying too? Just curious.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Darxez on July 20, 2012, 02:20:28 pm
It is Devin, and on some limits it is even illegal.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Murt on July 20, 2012, 02:49:57 pm
Racism is strictly prohibited.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Nexxt on July 20, 2012, 03:38:56 pm
@Max: Read again and see I am all okay. Thanks though, I am just pointing out bullying, racism, disrespecting people is not helping you in any good way. I'm not here to come cry and act like this topic is because of me, since it is not. I am just using my experience, to found out this problem.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: SugarD on July 20, 2012, 03:45:32 pm
Would racial remarks be classed as e-bullying too? Just curious.
They have never been allowed regardless. Its discrimination.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: JDC on July 20, 2012, 03:56:44 pm
I would like to point out that the offenders who were involved in the recent incidents are not the only people who were banned for spreading RL (mis)information about other Argonath players, just for those who might try and moan that the administrator is instituting a "new rule".

This "new rule" is merely a clarification of an already existing rule, the rule against harassing other players.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Emre on July 20, 2012, 04:14:41 pm
I have been bullied all my life, I do barely feel the pain anymore. So if you want to disrespect me.. go ahead, but all the consequences are for yourself. I am not gonna feel sorry, because I forward the logs towards the managers. Because in the end, you were so stupid to decide to talk bad about someone and you should think once more, before throwing out your words.
Perhaps you wouldn't get bullied if you don't throw it our there in your own way. You don't know a damn single f**k about being bullied, you take your bisexuality to a humorous level, that is why you feel no pain. I myself do not have ANYTHING against homo- or bisexual people, transvestites, crossdressers and disabled people, because I see no harm or reason not to interact with them.I am a victim of bullying because of my ancestory and my looks, but I sure do get over it and even try to be a psychotherapist for other people, but when I see someone hypocrizing about something would make him feel bad and he jokes about it, it's just a massive piss-off at some point.

I would like to point out that the offenders who were involved in the recent incidents are not the only people who were banned for spreading RL (mis)information about other Argonath players, just for those who might try and moan that the administrator is instituting a "new rule".

This "new rule" is merely a clarification of an already existing rule, the rule against harassing other players.
And if you hadn't pointed it out, we would have never come to that thought, oh my days! I formed a scheme of why you post in this topic as well as in someone certain's unban request which sort of relates to this topic. Just like in that unban request, you're just trying to stir up arguments, hoping to get spit upon by others.An 'interesting' fetish indeed, isn't it?
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: JDC on July 20, 2012, 04:24:28 pm
And if you hadn't pointed it out, we would have never come to that thought, oh my days! I formed a scheme of why you post in this topic as well as in someone certain's unban request which sort of relates to this topic. Just like in that unban request, you're just trying to stir up arguments, hoping to get spit upon by others. An 'interesting' fetish indeed, isn't it?

Perhaps more open-minded individuals would have actually taken my words as an opportunity to strengthen their chances of unban, rather than the opposite.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Emre on July 20, 2012, 04:28:15 pm
Perhaps more open-minded individuals would have actually taken my words as an opportunity to strengthen their chances of unban, rather than the opposite.
Alright, so all of a sudden, your advices, wise words and confrontations determine someone's chances of being unbanned or denied ? Your contribution in certain unban requests are just irrelevant since you have don't have anything to do with them.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: SugarD on July 20, 2012, 04:42:50 pm
Being bullied in the past does not justify bullying someone back. Quit attacking player's posts just because you don't agree with them. You can have a friendly discussion or debate without ****ting on a player for giving their opinion. That goes for both of you.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Emre on July 20, 2012, 04:55:56 pm
Being bullied in the past does not justify bullying someone back. Quit attacking player's posts just because you don't agree with them. You can have a friendly discussion or debate without ****ting on a player for giving their opinion. That goes for both of you.
From my side, I was just proving my point and my opinion, which means that I can express my opinion the way I want it as long as it doesn't harm enough people for it to be uncomfortable. Do you feel any issue with it now that you had to interfere to my response ?
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 05:00:49 pm
I do not ask this often, but please stay on topic.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Hidduh on July 20, 2012, 05:14:08 pm
Hopefully people will think twice after reading this topic before making an ass out of themselves.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Devin on July 20, 2012, 06:19:53 pm
Rather disappointing to see an administration member behaving in such a manner in which a normal player would be reprimanded and possibly punished for attempting to stir up arguments.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Boozman on July 20, 2012, 07:37:38 pm
I've seen this many times over the years, and I'm glad it's being addressed.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Morais on July 20, 2012, 09:22:41 pm
Hopefully people will think twice after reading this topic before making an ass out of themselves.

People are free to share what they like/believe/are. But they also have to be prepared to the comments that will follow them. But again, if you really like/believe/area "that" I'm pretty sure you have tools to defend yourself.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 09:32:42 pm
People are free to share what they like/believe/are.
That is correct. However when it comes to personal information that right it limited to their own personal information only.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Morais on July 20, 2012, 09:41:17 pm
Agree. Also it is a threat against the personal safety of the user.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Alarba on July 20, 2012, 10:38:35 pm
I can't stop feeling that this somehow offers protection to any argonath member that is into pedophilia.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 10:39:41 pm
I can't stop feeling that this somehow offers protection to any argonath member that is into pedophilia.
Report me any such activity, and it will be going straight to the police.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on July 20, 2012, 11:24:07 pm
They also do not need your private details to e-bully you!

T_T
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: FlameMan on July 20, 2012, 11:33:32 pm
I can't stop feeling that this somehow offers protection to any argonath member that is into pedophilia.

Alright, this provoked my reply and perhaps I shouldn't express my opinion but I will, as a way to express my anger towards people being overcareful about pedophilia.
I am a teacher, very young one, after first year of teaching in a primary school. Dunno how about your countries but in Poland, male teachers are often seen as pedophiles, especially if they show ANY emotion or extra attention to children.
When I first joined the Staff, I had multiple conversations with our school pedagogue because I let very young kids (5-7 years old) to hug me and I was hugging them back. I just don't imagine my work as a teacher, person who is supposed to show kids the good way and support them, to push a child away when he/she is trying to hug me. That's kinda opposite isn't it? Parents nowadays are busy with work and other stuff. They don't have much time to listen to kids, their problems or confessions. If a kid wants to hug me and wants to be hugged, then he/she needs it. And I will not push it away... Trust me, I had very hard first days when I had to convince other teachers that this was my way of working, my vision of teacher's job and I would not change it.. Until some parent would cause troubles about it. Because I cannot predict how will I react then.

However, by this example, I want to show how some people are hypersensitive about pedophilia when such cases are in minority. And trust me, if I had any knowledge about any of my teacher friends acting weird towards children - I will be the first one to notify the police.

And the same is here. I am fully convinced that Gandalf will have no doubt in notifying the law enforcement right after he notices any suspicious activity.
And I don't see how protection of identity can protect pedophiles... I see it exactly as a contrary.... as a protection FROM unauthorised people...
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Nexxt on July 20, 2012, 11:42:33 pm
Replying about that pedophilia part, you have the control over your own conversations. If you are being approached by a pedophile ingame, he has nothing to threat you with, he does not have a name or any information about you. You can just set your PM off and save the logs, send these logs towards a manager and they can deal with the IP (send them towards authorities for example).

If he acted like someone else and he is on your Facebook now for example (as fake person), you can report it towards Facebook personnel, who are willing to help you.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Darxez on July 21, 2012, 12:15:45 am
Flame his problem is here even bigger, any physical touchments done by a teacher is seen as a offence.

Though, it's something called bullshit.
Title: Re: Privacy and e-bullying
Post by: Morais on July 21, 2012, 12:29:19 am
Flame his problem is here even bigger, any physical touchments done by a teacher is seen as a offence.

Though, it's something called bullshit.

Depends of the people's minds.
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