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Title: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gimli on July 20, 2012, 10:25:56 pm
Authorities in central Florida say two men were trying to rob an Internet cafe when a 71-year-old patron began shooting his own gun, wounding the suspects. (July 18)

Raw Video: Fla. Man Shoots Would-be Robbers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjzdvSloG8#ws)

Something pro-gun this time :D
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Antonio. on July 20, 2012, 10:26:37 pm
Respect to the old man.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: KhornateMonkey on July 20, 2012, 10:28:06 pm
Good on him, sauce please.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 20, 2012, 10:40:40 pm
Guns are good.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on July 20, 2012, 10:53:55 pm
Guns are good.

Nope.

But respect to the man for his bravery given the situation - he possibly saved a lot of lives that day.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 20, 2012, 10:56:16 pm
Guns are good.
You're a hypocrit.
Didn't you see what guns did in Denver?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2012, 11:00:14 pm
Nope.

But respect to the man for his bravery given the situation - he possibly saved a lot of lives that day.
In some countries if you try to rob the store of a 71 year old, you better have a good health insurance...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mikal on July 20, 2012, 11:13:45 pm
Guns are good.
Yeh, the guns nearly helped the robbers... Guns are good.
Whats wrong with you?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gimli on July 20, 2012, 11:23:39 pm
If neither the robbers nor the owner had had any guns, no one would have gun shot wounds.. Serves the robbers right, but, on the other hand, they got emergency medical care with american tax dollars ;)
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 12:29:55 am
guns saved more lives in this incident. yes, i see what guns did in denver. it's a bad reputation to the gun world when an idiot gets a hold of a gun. they should really test for mental issues before handing out guns.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Boozman on July 21, 2012, 12:38:30 am
'Merica.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mikal on July 21, 2012, 12:52:38 am
guns saved more lives in this incident. yes, i see what guns did in denver. it's a bad reputation to the gun world when an idiot gets a hold of a gun. they should really test for mental issues before handing out guns.
Assuming he got it legaly..
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on July 21, 2012, 03:14:34 am
guns saved more lives in this incident. yes, i see what guns did in denver. it's a bad reputation to the gun world when an idiot gets a hold of a gun. they should really test for mental issues before handing out guns.

Or just make it that guns are not legally obtainable for the general public. The fact that, in the USA, you can legally purchase an AR-15 assault rifle is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: CaptainCrazy on July 21, 2012, 03:21:16 am
"Pause your motherf**king games this is a robbery"

I'd love me some sound on this video. Anyway big ups to the old dude for taking the hero role, I bet he earned himself a free month of net on that cafe.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 10:15:44 am
guns saved more lives in this incident. yes, i see what guns did in denver. it's a bad reputation to the gun world when an idiot gets a hold of a gun. they should really test for mental issues before handing out guns.
Guns did not save any lifes.
The man would have still lived if he did not shoot them.
Also there is no need to protect yourself if there are no guns at all.
All they should do is just ban guns.

The fact that, in the USA, you can legally purchase an AR-15 assault rifle is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Dolfagr on July 21, 2012, 12:05:08 pm
Strange that no-one commented on what a 71year old dude was doing in an internet cafe, pedo exposed  :D.

Nah, lukcily he was there for any apparent reason to stop the robbers, and he did good, well done to him, even though he didn't have to shoot like a trigger happy as they fled the scene when they saw his gun, plus he could've injured someone else.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Dexter on July 21, 2012, 12:12:59 pm
Strange that no-one commented on what a 71year old dude was doing in an internet cafe, pedo exposed  :D .


No. He was trying to pay his bills on internet. Slowly after 4 hours trying to do that he started to get pissed of. He mumbles the words *God damn, I wanna shoot somebody. This is damn annoying*. His *pray* got answered. Rest you can see from video.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 04:50:06 pm
Or just make it that guns are not legally obtainable for the general public. The fact that, in the USA, you can legally purchase an AR-15 assault rifle is ridiculous.


So uh, what exactly do you do if someone comes up to you with full intention of killing you with his illegal gun? Just die, or better yet, we should try to resolve this peacefully, sir! Fuck that, I believe in protecting myself from any idiots who think they can just commit crime.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 04:59:22 pm
So uh, what exactly do you do if someone comes up to you with full intention of killing you with his illegal gun? Just die, or better yet, we should try to resolve this peacefully, sir!
Ban legal guns and life sentence to anyone with an illegal gun.
That would help.

f**k that, I believe in protecting myself from any idiots who think they can just commit crime.
People with that thinking got America where it is now criminality-wise.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JayL on July 21, 2012, 05:10:39 pm

So uh, what exactly do you do if someone comes up to you with full intention of killing you with his illegal gun? Just die, or better yet, we should try to resolve this peacefully, sir! f**k that, I believe in protecting myself from any idiots who think they can just commit crime.

What's the use for your country's extremely militarised police then?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Salmonella on July 21, 2012, 05:13:22 pm

So uh, what exactly do you do if someone comes up to you with full intention of killing you with his illegal gun? Just die, or better yet, we should try to resolve this peacefully, sir! f**k that, I believe in protecting myself from any idiots who think they can just commit crime.

Looking at your avatar, I can see where you got these thoughts from.  ;)

I personally believe that fire weapons are too easy to gain acces to in the United States. I am not familiar with any other country's gun regulations apart from my own country's and the United States its policy, but I believe that the Dutch regulations match many European countries' regulations. If you are interested in owning a weapon, the government should be aware of that, and of why you are interested in owning a fire weapon. I have never seen someone in the Netherlands legally carry a weapon for so called 'protection'. No, people that are in possesion of serious fire weapons, have those for sports, legal hunting, target shooting and maybe more. An invalid reason to own a fire weapon here, would be to carry it around for 'protection'.

The way you talk about your fellow human being, as if society's a huge threat towards you, concerns me. What concerns me even more, is that you apperently are allowed to carry a fire weapon. With your piece of mind, I'm able to see why there are supposedly a lot of shootouts and other fire-weapon related incidents in the United States. Change starts with yourself; do you really want to live in this fear for society, forcing yourself to always carry lethal weaponry?

Correct me if I'm wrong about you carrying a fire weapon, that's just because you very obviously implied that you do.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 05:20:12 pm
Ban legal guns and life sentence to anyone with an illegal gun.
Giving a life sentence to anyone with an illegal gun is a bit extreme, eh?

What's the use for your country's extremely militarised police then?
Do you honestly believe that the police are personal bodyguards here and protect their citizens 24/7 365? They can't be there in 3 seconds flat when the choice is now or never.


Here in America, we have crime. Illegal guns are not hard to come by especially in the southern part of the US near Mexico. I could probably go into a bad neighborhood right now and ask for a gun and I'd leave with 2 Glocks and a shotgun. The police can not handle every illegal gun and our laws regarding them are not strict enough. We have the right to guns for a reason, to protect ourselves from crime.

No one has yet to answer my question. ;)
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 05:22:48 pm
Giving a life sentence to anyone with an illegal gun is a bit extreme, eh?
Then don't complain about having to have a gun in posession 24/7.

No one has yet to answer my question. ;)
Which one?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JayL on July 21, 2012, 05:26:06 pm
Do you honestly believe that the police are personal bodyguards here and protect their citizens 24/7 365? They can't be there in 3 seconds flat when the choice is now or never.

Not really, but it should serve as something that makes people think before screwing up. I guess not in USA.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 05:39:30 pm
Which one?
What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do not own a gun, what do you do? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.


What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do own a gun, what do you do differently? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.

So, what do you do?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Salmonella on July 21, 2012, 06:36:03 pm
I'd advise everyone to comply.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Morais on July 21, 2012, 06:38:11 pm
Respect to the old man.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Rick. on July 21, 2012, 06:48:59 pm
Assuming he got it legaly..

He did. He had license for his guns, his machine gun, rifle, and pistol. And more they found in his house.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on July 21, 2012, 06:51:46 pm
What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do not own a gun, what do you do? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.

I would first try and contact the police as soon as possible through either my mobile phone or landline phone. My front door is rather thick, so unless I'd done something to really piss the guy off, I doubt he'd gain entry unless he brought along a battering ram or something, in which case it would take him a while to knock the door down, giving me time to contact the police and inform them on the situation. From that point on (and this is also what I would do if he would enter from the back door, as it's not locked during the day - but then again, a situation like this would probably occur at night at which time it is locked), I'd do what Salmonella would do and comply with his orders. Unless he is psychotic or has an uncontrollable hatred for me or one of my family members, I would assume he would be there to take household valuables.

Secondly, if military grade assault rifles and such were not legally obtainable, incidents like this would very, very rarely occur. The only way someone who is apprently 'serious business' (who for some reason wants to harm you and your family) would obtain a firearm is through illegal methods. If caught in possession of an illegal firearm, then give him a lengthy prison sentence - life for all I care. But of course, you think

Giving a life sentence to anyone with an illegal gun is a bit extreme, eh?

Extreme? Maybe. But at least it would reduce incidents that would put your loved ones in harm's way should a random gunman burst through your front door - you do keep your door's locked, right?

The world is full of bad people. Don't give them legal means of obtaining weapons.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 06:56:02 pm
What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do not own a gun, what do you do? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.


What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do own a gun, what do you do differently? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.

So, what do you do?
Impossible to occur with me as I do not live in America.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 07:04:54 pm
What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do not own a gun, what do you do? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.


What would you do if someone bursts through your door with a gun threatening to kill you and your family. This guy is serious business. You do own a gun, what do you do differently? If you do not act soon, this guy will kill you and your family.

So, what do you do?
What reason would he have to do that?
As for the answer, I already gave in another topic. Disarm him and transfer to the police, after explaining he accidentally hit the door 20 times...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Salmonella on July 21, 2012, 07:06:52 pm
Impossible to occur with me as I do not live in America.

A bit more subtle would do...

What reason would he have to do that?
As for the answer, I already gave in another topic. Disarm him and transfer to the police, after explaining he accidentally hit the door 20 times...

Attempting to disarm him is like Russian roulette, and would be taking a deadly risk.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 07:08:07 pm
A bit more subtle would do...

Attempting to disarm him is like Russian roulette, and would be taking a deadly risk.
That depends on your knowledge.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on July 21, 2012, 07:09:56 pm
That depends on your knowledge.

Even with the knowledge, it is still a huge risk.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Salmonella on July 21, 2012, 07:10:27 pm
That depends on your knowledge.

It depends on the person that's robbing, and the person that's being robbed. If a fully loaded gun is being pointed towards me, I wouldn't try to run towards it.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 07:43:45 pm
It depends on the person that's robbing, and the person that's being robbed. If a fully loaded gun is being pointed towards me, I wouldn't try to run towards it.
Without proper trainin that would indeed not be advised.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 08:02:27 pm
A bit more subtle would do...
I didn't try to be offensive but I don't know why someone in my living place would randomly storm my house and point a gun at me.

Without proper trainin that would indeed not be advised.
Only in Russia :D
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 08:06:27 pm
You see, what if this guy was just a maniac with no intention of robbing you. He was just out to spill blood. Now what do you do? Call the police? To late, he already killed you. Attempt to disarm him? Nope, you just got shot from 15 feet away.

Remember, legal guns are very rarely used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes are illegal weapons obtained in illegal ways.

Police can not always protect you. It takes time for them to respond and by then, your whole family could be killed and the guy could leave.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 08:11:40 pm
You see, what if this guy was just a maniac with no intention of robbing you. He was just out to spill blood. Now what do you do? Call the police? To late, he already killed you. Attempt to disarm him? Nope, you just got shot from 15 feet away.
Again, I don't see why that maniac would storm MY house and aim at ME instead of the other X amount of people living in my street.
And what if you had a gun? Got time to unholster it and make it fire ready before shooting? No, you do not.

Remember, legal guns are very rarely used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes are illegal weapons obtained in illegal ways.
Use of legal weapons only stimulates the use of illegal weapons.
Everyone wants to "protect" themselves, whether it's legal or not.

Police can not always protect you. It takes time for them to respond and by then, your whole family could be killed and the guy could leave.
Keep the door locked?
Also camera surveillance would help.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Dolfagr on July 21, 2012, 08:13:37 pm
Everyone drop your guns and start learning yo

Russian Spetsnaz gun Disarming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1niUv0ieNSs#)
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 08:16:20 pm
Again, I don't see why that maniac would storm MY house and aim at ME instead of the other X amount of people living in my street.
And what if you had a gun? Got time to unholster it and make it fire ready before shooting? No, you do not.
Use of legal weapons only stimulates the use of illegal weapons.
Everyone wants to "protect" themselves, whether it's legal or not.
Keep the door locked?
Also camera surveillance would help.
Who knows, this guy's a maniac.
A gun should be kept in a dresser, nightstand, etc. for easy reach for when you believe someone in breaking in.
Use of legal weapons aid police against illegal weapons.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 08:19:03 pm
Who knows, this guy's a maniac.
A gun should be kept in a dresser, nightstand, etc. for easy reach for when you believe someone in breaking in.
Use of legal weapons aid police against illegal weapons.
That maniac would first have to somehow breach the flat's door, and then my door.
There shouldn't be guns in the first place, as;
Use of legal weapons only increase use of illegal weapons.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Kizzu on July 21, 2012, 08:22:23 pm
Guns are neither bad nor good. In Switzerland, you're almost commanded to have a gun in your home, yet their crime rate is as low as it can be. It's about culture, Swiss people are known for being civilized and respectful, while Americans it's the complete opposite, I am not saying Americans are disrespectful, but the United States is known for being self-centered, and that is seen in people's attitudes.   
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 08:23:02 pm
You see, what if this guy was just a maniac with no intention of robbing you. He was just out to spill blood. Now what do you do? Call the police? To late, he already killed you. Attempt to disarm him? Nope, you just got shot from 15 feet away.

Remember, legal guns are very rarely used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes are illegal weapons obtained in illegal ways.

Police can not always protect you. It takes time for them to respond and by then, your whole family could be killed and the guy could leave.
Those guns people carry did a real good job in Aurora.... :roll:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 08:25:01 pm
Those guns people carry did a real good job in Aurora.... :roll:
It seems no one was carrying in that theater. If someone was, and they could get a good couple of shots off, the shooting wouldn't have happened easily.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 21, 2012, 08:26:38 pm
Guns are neither bad nor good. In Switzerland, you're almost commanded to have a gun in your home, yet their crime rate is as low as it can be. It's about culture, Swiss people are known for being civilized and respectful, while Americans it's the complete opposite, I am not saying Americans are disrespectful, but the United States is known for being self-centered, and that is seen in people's attitudes.
I can't disagree.
In some countries you can keep your bike unlocked for weeks while it would be stolen in a matter of seconds in other countries.

It seems no one was carrying in that theater. If someone was, and they could get a good couple of shots off, the shooting wouldn't have happened easily.
Are you saying someone could aim a handgun from the audience to the screening and actually hurt him?
I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 08:28:22 pm
It seems no one was carrying in that theater. If someone was, and they could get a good couple of shots off, the shooting wouldn't have happened easily.
So in a theater where several reservists and ex-marines were wounded, and I am pretty sure several security guards were present nobody carried a gun?
And that is a country where people according to some NEED to have one for their protection....
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 21, 2012, 09:59:15 pm
"Currently in Aurora, Colorado, where the shooting took place, it is considered unlawful to carry a concealed "dangerousweapon," discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range, and have loaded firearm in motor vehicle. Yet these laws were unable to stop James Holmes."

If guns laws were a bit less strict, perhaps this could have been minimized.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 21, 2012, 10:03:29 pm
"Currently in Aurora, Colorado, where the shooting took place, it is considered unlawful to carry a concealed "dangerousweapon," discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range, and have loaded firearm in motor vehicle. Yet these laws were unable to stop James Holmes."

If guns laws were a bit less strict, perhaps this could have been minimized.
Muahahahahahahaha. Now answer the question.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on July 21, 2012, 10:45:07 pm
You see, what if this guy was just a maniac with no intention of robbing you. He was just out to spill blood. Now what do you do? Call the police? To late, he already killed you. Attempt to disarm him? Nope, you just got shot from 15 feet away.

Remember, legal guns are very rarely used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes are illegal weapons obtained in illegal ways.

Police can not always protect you. It takes time for them to respond and by then, your whole family could be killed and the guy could leave.

Again, just another absurd situation. Just because unlikely and ridiculous incidents like THIS can occur doesn't mean that everyone should be allowed to own a firearm.

James Holmes used an AR-15 assault rifle that was initially manufactured for the US army. He purchased it, plus other weapons, from various shops completely legally.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 22, 2012, 12:44:58 am
Muahahahahahahaha. Now answer the question.
Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mikro on July 22, 2012, 02:38:45 am
The chance that you get killed in a car accident is about 500x larger then the chance a maniac will kill you with a gun.

I would say, let's remove driving licenses and allow everyone to drive a car. Then everyone got a chance to defend himself with his airbag...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: EliteTerm on July 22, 2012, 09:26:38 am
So in a theater where several reservists and ex-marines were wounded, and I am pretty sure several security guards were present nobody carried a gun?
And that is a country where people according to some NEED to have one for their protection....

The theater in question is owned by Cinemark (http://www.cinemark.com/) and it has a "gun-free zone" policy. If the policy wasn't in place, I'm pretty sure those reservists and ex-marines would be carrying and would be able to at least give resistance and time for others to get to safety..

The city itself is near Denver, and the state is pro-gun.

Post Merge: July 22, 2012, 09:34:13 am
Again, I don't see why that maniac would storm MY house and aim at ME instead of the other X amount of people living in my street.
And what if you had a gun? Got time to unholster it and make it fire ready before shooting? No, you do not.
Use of legal weapons only stimulates the use of illegal weapons.
Everyone wants to "protect" themselves, whether it's legal or not.
Keep the door locked?
Also camera surveillance would help.

There's a quote going around: "Every second matters when police is minutes away."

You cannot predict what someone will do, if they see something they want they will do what they can to get it. It doesn't matter why they didn't choose someone else.

Ask yourself this: How would you defend yourself, if what you listed above failed to protect you?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on July 22, 2012, 10:47:04 am
Guns are not inherently good or evil. While guns can kill, they can also protect, and vice versa.

Whether what they do is beneficial or detrimental for something is completely based on the person holding that gun. The same logic can be said for every other type of weapon, and not only guns.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 22, 2012, 11:19:21 am
Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.
So if you are not trained to handle such a sitution in which a maniac tries to kill people, having a gun will not help?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gandalf on July 22, 2012, 11:21:32 am
The theater in question is owned by Cinemark (http://www.cinemark.com/) and it has a "gun-free zone" policy. If the policy wasn't in place, I'm pretty sure those reservists and ex-marines would be carrying and would be able to at least give resistance and time for others to get to safety..
And how exactly do they enforce this policy?

There's a quote going around: "Every second matters when police is minutes away."

You cannot predict what someone will do, if they see something they want they will do what they can to get it. It doesn't matter why they didn't choose someone else.

Ask yourself this: How would you defend yourself, if what you listed above failed to protect you?
Ask yourself this: what would you have done to set such a maniac loose on you?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mikal on July 22, 2012, 01:51:06 pm
Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.
America needs an international ban on guns in homes and in the public, not on shooting ranges of course since they'd go out of business... If the only bit of history in America wasnt built on guns then shit like armed robberys and mass public shootings wouldn't happen as often.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on July 22, 2012, 07:00:48 pm
America needs an international ban on guns in homes and in the public, not on shooting ranges of course since they'd go out of business... If the only bit of history in America wasnt built on guns then shit like armed robberys and mass public shootings wouldn't happen as often.
It will never happen. If the government even tries to get rid of guns, they would more than likely be met with a resistance. I'm sure most of the U.S army and general public would enjoy keeping their personal guns.

Gun laws prevent shooting sprees? Tell me more about how criminals follow the law.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. Of course it was originally stated in Japanese, this is the English translation.

Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Radagast on July 22, 2012, 07:25:55 pm
Well done that man!
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: SFTC on July 23, 2012, 12:57:53 am
You're a hypocrit.
Didn't you see what guns did in Denver?
The gun didn't do it, was the man.

Weapons are good, depends in what hands are
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Jubin on July 23, 2012, 10:39:42 pm
The gun didn't do it, was the man.
You know, the gun really helps, when you're trying to kill people, especially in large quantities.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: SimonJovanovski96 on August 07, 2012, 01:58:02 pm
Gimli, i need to talk with you.
Message me!
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Marcell on August 08, 2012, 10:30:45 pm
Or just make it that guns are not legally obtainable for the general public. The fact that, in the USA, you can legally purchase an AR-15 assault rifle is ridiculous.
Then criminals still have guns from illegal sources, yet civilians don't have any to protect themselves, use your brain. Also so what AR-15 is legal in some states? Full-auto weapons are illegal in US since 86 if that's what you mean...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alan.Wake on August 09, 2012, 01:37:37 am
I told Gandalf not to trust ballas.... farkos.....
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Alsatian on August 09, 2012, 02:07:23 am
Then criminals still have guns from illegal sources, yet civilians don't have any to protect themselves, use your brain.

Yet 'civilians' like Holmes are still capable of obtaining the kind of firepower he had in his possession simply from stores in Denver. I understand the concern for protection, but simply countering gun crimes by having your own gun will not make the world a safer place. If anything, it makes it more hostile.

Also so what AR-15 is legal in some states? Full-auto weapons are illegal in US since 86 if that's what you mean...

So what? It does not concern you in the slightest that a semi-automatic military-grade assault rifle is avaliable for purchase in general stores completely legally, regardless of whether it's for personal protection or someone with a more sinister agenda?

And weapons, whether they be single-shot, semi-automatic or fully-automatic still kill people. Banning one does not remove the bigger problem, use your brain.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Leon. on August 09, 2012, 02:15:37 am
'murica
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 09, 2012, 04:27:35 am
Even if guns are legal or illegal, criminals will always get them.

Better to die defending yourself with a gun than to be gunned down by a criminal without any hope of saving yourself at all (especially since pizza delivery arrives faster than some cops do).
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: EliteTerm on August 09, 2012, 04:38:47 am
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Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Matt Murdock on August 09, 2012, 06:13:32 am
Not being racist, but why the fuck most of the robberies are done by black people?  :trust:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 09, 2012, 07:18:26 am
Not being racist, but why the f**k most of the robberies are done by black people?  :trust:
Are you talking about America?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 09, 2012, 07:18:54 am
Not being racist, but why the f**k most of the robberies are done by black people?  :trust:

False stereotype. Many white people do robberies too, the media just does not broadcast it as often.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 09, 2012, 07:33:33 am
False stereotype. Many white people do robberies too, the media just does not broadcast it as often.
They wouldn't broadcast black robberies more often than white robberies if they didn't fit the stereotype.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Marcell on August 09, 2012, 02:05:21 pm
Actually it's pretty funny when I watch those 'true' cop documentals where they literally film everything and 99% of suspects are black
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Matt Murdock on August 09, 2012, 06:19:16 pm
Are you talking about America?
Yes.

False stereotype. Many white people do robberies too, the media just does not broadcast it as often.
Whites usually fail at robberies, So far that's all I have seen on Discovery and other channels.  :devroll:

Actually it's pretty funny when I watch those 'true' cop documentals where they literally film everything and 99% of suspects are black
YES LOL
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 09, 2012, 11:46:45 pm
They wouldn't broadcast black robberies more often than white robberies if they didn't fit the stereotype.
Actually it's pretty funny when I watch those 'true' cop documentals where they literally film everything and 99% of suspects are black
Whites usually fail at robberies, So far that's all I have seen on Discovery and other channels.  :devroll:

Racial Media Bias in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Racial_bias)

Since people cannot be as racist as they used to (a few decades ago) without facing some form of backlash, those who are racist against blacks (more of which are in power than those who are racist against whites) will find more implicit and subliminal methods.

Certain mentalities take decades, if not generations, to change. Others may never change.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 09, 2012, 11:49:36 pm
Racial Media Bias in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Racial_bias)

Since people cannot be as racist as they used to (a few decades ago) without facing some form of backlash, those who are racist against blacks (more of which are in power than those who are racist against whites) will find more implicit and subliminal methods.

Certain mentalities take decades, if not generations, to change. Others may never change.
Are you denying that black people perform more crimes than white people?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Matt Murdock on August 10, 2012, 12:02:03 am
Racial Media Bias in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Racial_bias)

Since people cannot be as racist as they used to (a few decades ago) without facing some form of backlash, those who are racist against blacks (more of which are in power than those who are racist against whites) will find more implicit and subliminal methods.

Certain mentalities take decades, if not generations, to change. Others may never change.
What are you talking about? America's president is black himself.

But yeah, this just came to my mind :
When black people attempt robbery, it ends up on news.
When white people attempt robbery, it ends up on Discovery channel.

Le fuq'  :trust:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Dolfagr on August 10, 2012, 12:24:35 am
What are you talking about? America's president is black himself.

But yeah, this just came to my mind :
When black people attempt robbery, it ends up on news.
When white people attempt robbery, it ends up on Discovery channel.

Le fuq'  :trust:

If attempted robbery means having two guys with full body armor and four battle rifles with 2.000 7.62x39 cartridge bullets taking 30 hostages in a bank and injuring 20 cops whilst 400 are shooting at them, then you expect damn well it will end up on Discovery channel  :lol:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 10, 2012, 12:27:36 am
What are you talking about? America's president is black himself.

Only a naive person would believe that blacks would be safeguarded from racial discrimination simply because the President of the USA is black.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Jubin on August 10, 2012, 01:52:19 am
Authorities in central Florida say two men were trying to rob an Internet cafe when a 71-year-old patron began shooting his own gun, wounding the suspects. (July 18)

Raw Video: Fla. Man Shoots Would-be Robbers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjzdvSloG8#ws)

Something pro-gun this time :D
You do not mess with the Internet! Ever!
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: TiMoN on August 10, 2012, 12:13:18 pm
Authorities in central Florida say two men were trying to rob an Internet cafe when a 71-year-old patron began shooting his own gun, wounding the suspects. (July 18)

Raw Video: Fla. Man Shoots Would-be Robbers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjzdvSloG8#ws)

Something pro-gun this time :D
and fuck, it's blocked here, same for the whiteshadows site.
fuuuuuuuuu etisalat
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Matt Murdock on August 10, 2012, 08:07:31 pm
Only a naive person would believe that blacks would be safeguarded from racial discrimination simply because the President of the USA is black.
Oh trust me, There's racism in USA, but against anyone but blacks at this very moment.  :roll:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: SafetyMoose on August 10, 2012, 09:31:25 pm
Crime is not committed by one specific race. Many people see the black population as being the main source of crime in the United States and believe the reason is simply that African Americans are just violent people. Crime is linked to poverty and despite what we want to believe here in North America, a large number of people have very low incomes or have no jobs and this itself leads to criminal behaviour in a number of cases. Now, the US has a very large black population, and since many of the news stories we hear about international occur in states with very high African american populations, we start to assume only they commit crimes.

Now, in my city the black population commits less crime than the white population, for example we have a huge problem with Serbian gangs here causing violence. Its not race that is linked to crime it is the environment they grow up in. the poorer members of society will always be pushed to crime to survive.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 11, 2012, 12:33:13 pm
Oh trust me, There's racism in USA, but against anyone but blacks at this very moment.  :roll:

Saying Blacks are still not victimized by any form of racism is a hasty generalization, just as saying Blacks are the main source of crime.

Racism cannot be avoided in the US, as it has been embedded in the culture for hundreds of years. Of course, not everyone is racist, but racism is not hard to find either.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gimli on August 12, 2012, 12:29:49 am
for example we have a huge problem with Serbian gangs here causing violence. Its not race that is linked to crime it is the environment they grow up in. the poorer members of society will always be pushed to crime to survive.
Are they first generation immigrants? If so, how do they get into Canada? :conf:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mr. Goobii on August 12, 2012, 01:27:56 am
The one who says guns saves life is wrong. Remember what weapons are made to do, they are here to kill, kill animals, humans and everything that can be shot at...
By the other hand, this old man was bad ass..  :cop:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 12, 2012, 07:01:17 am
The one who says guns saves life is wrong. Remember what weapons are made to do, they are here to kill, kill animals, humans and everything that can be shot at...

If a group of thieves was about to kill off your family with knives, and you had a gun in your hand, tell me more about how that gun cannot be used to save your family's life.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 12, 2012, 04:37:26 pm
If a group of thieves was about to kill off your family with knives, and you had a gun in your hand, tell me more about how that gun cannot be used to save your family's life.
wow, i never thought this day would come. i finally agree with what you're posting.  :hurray:
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: saberman on August 12, 2012, 04:51:43 pm
If a group of thieves was about to kill off your family with knives, and you had a gun in your hand, tell me more about how that gun cannot be used to save your family's life.
There are robbers who steal guns, and use them for more robberies. So...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 12, 2012, 06:29:19 pm
Crime is not committed by one specific race. Many people see the black population as being the main source of crime in the United States and believe the reason is simply that African Americans are just violent people. Crime is linked to poverty and despite what we want to believe here in North America, a large number of people have very low incomes or have no jobs and this itself leads to criminal behaviour in a number of cases. Now, the US has a very large black population, and since many of the news stories we hear about international occur in states with very high African american populations, we start to assume only they commit crimes.

Now, in my city the black population commits less crime than the white population, for example we have a huge problem with Serbian gangs here causing violence. Its not race that is linked to crime it is the environment they grow up in. the poorer members of society will always be pushed to crime to survive.
The black population in Canada is only 2.5%.
No wonder that white people perform more crimes.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 12, 2012, 10:59:31 pm
last i checked, 14% of all usa is black. yet they make up about 50% of our prisons. soooooooo..
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 13, 2012, 05:55:00 am
Of the 33 million Canadians 825.000 are black.
Of the 314 million Americans 44 million are black.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 13, 2012, 07:11:43 am
last i checked, 14% of all usa is black. yet they make up about 50% of our prisons. soooooooo..

The amount of criminals is not based on those who get caught.

Who comprise the majority of mafias, banks, and other money-related institutions that rob you of your money, the blacks or the whites?

Robbers with guns can rob a bank, but robbers with banks can rob the world.
Think again.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 13, 2012, 08:27:25 am
Drafting the Bill of Rights Rare Footage of Founder Fathers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsMaN7mdSWs#)

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Of the 33 million Canadians 825.000 are black.
Of the 314 million Americans 44 million are black.

I don't like how the term "Americans" is mostly used to describe / name those living in the US of  A instead of those actually from N/S America (Continent). Or those who use "America" for US of A. ("'MERICA fk yea" -  Yea Canada is pretty cool)

They should come up with a much more sensible one. I know, let's all use "Yank(s)".

It's only used elsewhere used in Australia and yea... The only country nearby is New Zealand.   
African is used for multiple people in Africa.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Gimli on August 18, 2012, 01:09:54 pm
They should come up with a much more sensible one.
It would be impractical to change it as it is embedded in many foreign languages.

I know, let's all use "Yank(s)".
That is as sensible as calling British people poms (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pommy). Does that work for you? Both are considered derogatory.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Mikal on August 18, 2012, 08:49:20 pm
Guns are good.
If guns were good the robbery would never have happend..
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 23, 2012, 10:59:47 pm
If guns were good the robbery would never have happend..
Correction: legal guns are good.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: JDC on August 24, 2012, 02:28:18 am
Guns are not good or bad. It all depends on the person using them.

Saying guns are bad / evil is like saying all spraypaint is evil because some vandal sprayed "F**K YOUR MOM" on your gate; a hasty generalization.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Cero on August 28, 2012, 08:08:55 am
ITT: Pussified men, socialists and communists.

You can't have a cop on your hip when you are getting robbed, beaten or in the process of getting murdered.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 28, 2012, 10:50:17 pm
ITT: Pussified men, socialists and communists.

You can't have a cop on your hip when you are getting robbed, beaten or in the process of getting murdered.
THANK YOU.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Wolfe on August 29, 2012, 03:11:18 am
Just thing about the following scene..


You are a cop, you're answering to a call about a robbery on a bank or whatever, when getting on scene, you see 2 robbers shooting towards 2 other guys shooting back..


Don't you think that just causes confusion ? and the possible death of a couple of civilians that we're trying to defend themselves from this, but by doing this just made it worse on themselves.


Just leave guns to the professionals who been trained by it, if you want it for sport or hunting, fine, but using guns for protection, is just some wild west era nostalgia created by Americans..
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Cero on August 29, 2012, 11:47:41 am
Just thing about the following scene..


You are a cop, you're answering to a call about a robbery on a bank or whatever, when getting on scene, you see 2 robbers shooting towards 2 other guys shooting back..


Don't you think that just causes confusion ? and the possible death of a couple of civilians that we're trying to defend themselves from this, but by doing this just made it worse on themselves.


Just leave guns to the professionals who been trained by it, if you want it for sport or hunting, fine, but using guns for protection, is just some wild west era nostalgia created by Americans..

Instead of having a gun to defend yourself with, you would rather have no gun while being shot at, you are the epitome of beta. "Ok, please kill me while I stand here defenseless, please use lube."

Edit: Also, are you fucking implying that you can't train with your own firearm?
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Wolfe on August 29, 2012, 03:21:41 pm
Instead of having a gun to defend yourself with, you would rather have no gun while being shot at, you are the epitome of beta. "Ok, please kill me while I stand here defenseless, please use lube."

Edit: Also, are you f**king implying that you can't train with your own firearm?

No, i'm implying that in the case no civilians had a firearm, there would no shootout, therefore, no confusion on who infact are the robbers.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Doctor on August 29, 2012, 03:25:40 pm
A'right.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 30, 2012, 01:09:46 am
No, i'm implying that in the case no civilians had a firearm, there would no shootout, therefore, no confusion on who infact are the robbers.
Hey man, if you want to stop the fucktards smuggling in weapons, go for it. Until then, citizens need to have the right to defend themselves. Remember, you can enact all the gun laws you want, criminals don't follow the laws.
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: Wolfe on August 30, 2012, 03:42:23 am
Hey man, if you want to stop the f**ktards smuggling in weapons, go for it. Until then, citizens need to have the right to defend themselves. Remember, you can enact all the gun laws you want, criminals don't follow the laws.

I'm starting to think you have a problem reading...
Title: Re: 71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 30, 2012, 04:39:49 am
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