71-year-old american shoots Internet cafe robbers

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Guns are neither bad nor good. In Switzerland, you're almost commanded to have a gun in your home, yet their crime rate is as low as it can be. It's about culture, Swiss people are known for being civilized and respectful, while Americans it's the complete opposite, I am not saying Americans are disrespectful, but the United States is known for being self-centered, and that is seen in people's attitudes.

I can't disagree.
In some countries you can keep your bike unlocked for weeks while it would be stolen in a matter of seconds in other countries.

It seems no one was carrying in that theater. If someone was, and they could get a good couple of shots off, the shooting wouldn't have happened easily.

Are you saying someone could aim a handgun from the audience to the screening and actually hurt him?
I highly doubt it.

[Gandalf]

It seems no one was carrying in that theater. If someone was, and they could get a good couple of shots off, the shooting wouldn't have happened easily.

So in a theater where several reservists and ex-marines were wounded, and I am pretty sure several security guards were present nobody carried a gun?
And that is a country where people according to some NEED to have one for their protection....

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

"Currently in Aurora, Colorado, where the shooting took place, it is considered unlawful to carry a concealed "dangerousweapon," discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range, and have loaded firearm in motor vehicle. Yet these laws were unable to stop James Holmes."

If guns laws were a bit less strict, perhaps this could have been minimized.

[Gandalf]

"Currently in Aurora, Colorado, where the shooting took place, it is considered unlawful to carry a concealed "dangerousweapon," discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range, and have loaded firearm in motor vehicle. Yet these laws were unable to stop James Holmes."

If guns laws were a bit less strict, perhaps this could have been minimized.

Muahahahahahahaha. Now answer the question.

[Alsatian]

You see, what if this guy was just a maniac with no intention of robbing you. He was just out to spill blood. Now what do you do? Call the police? To late, he already killed you. Attempt to disarm him? Nope, you just got shot from 15 feet away.

Remember, legal guns are very rarely used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes are illegal weapons obtained in illegal ways.

Police can not always protect you. It takes time for them to respond and by then, your whole family could be killed and the guy could leave.

Again, just another absurd situation. Just because unlikely and ridiculous incidents like THIS can occur doesn't mean that everyone should be allowed to own a firearm.

James Holmes used an AR-15 assault rifle that was initially manufactured for the US army. He purchased it, plus other weapons, from various shops completely legally.

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

Muahahahahahahaha. Now answer the question.

Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.

[Mikro]

The chance that you get killed in a car accident is about 500x larger then the chance a maniac will kill you with a gun.

I would say, let's remove driving licenses and allow everyone to drive a car. Then everyone got a chance to defend himself with his airbag...

[EliteTerm]

So in a theater where several reservists and ex-marines were wounded, and I am pretty sure several security guards were present nobody carried a gun?
And that is a country where people according to some NEED to have one for their protection....

The theater in question is owned by Cinemark and it has a "gun-free zone" policy. If the policy wasn't in place, I'm pretty sure those reservists and ex-marines would be carrying and would be able to at least give resistance and time for others to get to safety..

The city itself is near Denver, and the state is pro-gun.
Post Merge: July 22, 2012, 09:34:13 am

Again, I don't see why that maniac would storm MY house and aim at ME instead of the other X amount of people living in my street.
And what if you had a gun? Got time to unholster it and make it fire ready before shooting? No, you do not.
Use of legal weapons only stimulates the use of illegal weapons.
Everyone wants to "protect" themselves, whether it's legal or not.
Keep the door locked?
Also camera surveillance would help.

There's a quote going around: "Every second matters when police is minutes away."

You cannot predict what someone will do, if they see something they want they will do what they can to get it. It doesn't matter why they didn't choose someone else.

Ask yourself this: How would you defend yourself, if what you listed above failed to protect you?

[JDC]

Guns are not inherently good or evil. While guns can kill, they can also protect, and vice versa.

Whether what they do is beneficial or detrimental for something is completely based on the person holding that gun. The same logic can be said for every other type of weapon, and not only guns.

[Gandalf]

Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.

So if you are not trained to handle such a sitution in which a maniac tries to kill people, having a gun will not help?

[Gandalf]

The theater in question is owned by Cinemark and it has a "gun-free zone" policy. If the policy wasn't in place, I'm pretty sure those reservists and ex-marines would be carrying and would be able to at least give resistance and time for others to get to safety..

And how exactly do they enforce this policy?

There's a quote going around: "Every second matters when police is minutes away."

You cannot predict what someone will do, if they see something they want they will do what they can to get it. It doesn't matter why they didn't choose someone else.

Ask yourself this: How would you defend yourself, if what you listed above failed to protect you?

Ask yourself this: what would you have done to set such a maniac loose on you?

[Mikal]

Not everyone carries guns like you must think. Security guards very rarely carry guns(here atleast) due to liability issues. On top of that, security guards aren't trained to handle a situation like the shooting.

America needs an international ban on guns in homes and in the public, not on shooting ranges of course since they'd go out of business... If the only bit of history in America wasnt built on guns then shit like armed robberys and mass public shootings wouldn't happen as often.

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

America needs an international ban on guns in homes and in the public, not on shooting ranges of course since they'd go out of business... If the only bit of history in America wasnt built on guns then shit like armed robberys and mass public shootings wouldn't happen as often.

It will never happen. If the government even tries to get rid of guns, they would more than likely be met with a resistance. I'm sure most of the U.S army and general public would enjoy keeping their personal guns.

Gun laws prevent shooting sprees? Tell me more about how criminals follow the law.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. Of course it was originally stated in Japanese, this is the English translation.

[Radagast]

Well done that man!

[SFTC]

You're a hypocrit.
Didn't you see what guns did in Denver?

The gun didn't do it, was the man.

Weapons are good, depends in what hands are