Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: KhornateMonkey on July 26, 2012, 12:40:21 pm
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Olympic organisers have apologised to North Korean athletes whose images were shown next to the South Korean flag. [READ MORE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18993023)]
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Isnt Athletics illegal in North Korea? Just like leaving North Korea? :lol:
Banned for another month for continuing with inconvenient behaviour. - JayL
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Nukes incoming.
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Nukes incoming.
Implying they can get it too fire properly... which they kinda suck at.
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People should stop ****ting on North Korea for trying to compete in a friendly manner with the rest of the world. They may have had a bad past, but that doesn't mean they are any less deserving of respect. The fact that they are in the Olympics at all is an incredibly good sign. If people keep up the negative attitudes towards them, then maybe they will get mad and nuke their enemies. Give them a chance people, jeezuz. They are human too...
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Isnt Athletics illegal in North Korea? Just like leaving North Korea? :lol:
I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
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I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
Would you honestly care that much? It was a honest mistake.
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I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
I'd laugh hard.
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People should stop ****ting on North Korea for trying to compete in a friendly manner with the rest of the world. They may have had a bad past, but that doesn't mean they are any less deserving of respect. The fact that they are in the Olympics at all is an incredibly good sign. If people keep up the negative attitudes towards them, then maybe they will get mad and nuke their enemies. Give them a chance people, jeezuz. They are human too...
Implying it's still not bad in North Korea.. :trust:
I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
Wouldn't suprise me if it happend, would be a fuckup just like the opening ceremony is going to be. :lol:
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Implying it's still not bad in North Korea.. :trust:
Implying that implying means anything at all relevant to this discussion.
Seriously guys, come on now. Have a mature conversation for once.
Would you honestly care that much? It was a honest mistake.
I'm fairly certain people of both North and South Korea cared a lot. It may be an honest mistake, but given the tense situation between the countries, it's embarrassing and insulting. They recognized it was an accident and allowed it to be corrected, but that doesn't change that it happened either.
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I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
One of my friends always mixes up Uruguay and USA flags.
(http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Uruguay/Flag-Pins-Uruguay-USA.jpg)
Well actually he just don't know its Uruguay flag so he always says something like, It was like the USA flag, but instead of stars there was a sun.
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Cant believe Olympics are being organized by such uneducated retards.
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Cant believe Olympics are being organized by such uneducated retards.
Not necessarily "retards" all it takes is one mistake, such as a person saying that it's just "Korea" to the person who was doing the scoreboard, and this person assumed S. Korea rather than North Korea, it's a pretty simple mistake, everybody makes them, part of being human.
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Not necessarily "retards" all it takes is one mistake, such as a person saying that it's just "Korea" to the person who was doing the scoreboard, and this person assumed S. Korea rather than North Korea, it's a pretty simple mistake, everybody makes them, part of being human.
They are retards to me as they regard themselves "pro" when they are not.
The extension to which we can consider a mistake excusable depends on where and when it is made.
They were hired because they were professional for their jobs. This indicates nothing but the fact that they were too lazy to double-check things.
And Reece, dont get me wrong. I am not referring to the whole country; I am referring to the specific people who did this.
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People should stop ****ting on North Korea for trying to compete in a friendly manner with the rest of the world. They may have had a bad past, but that doesn't mean they are any less deserving of respect. The fact that they are in the Olympics at all is an incredibly good sign. If people keep up the negative attitudes towards them, then maybe they will get mad and nuke their enemies. Give them a chance people, jeezuz. They are human too...
I think someone is scared to get his house bombed here....
I'd like to see your reaction if your national team was suddenly presented with the flag of the United States instead.
i honestly wouldnt give a shit, same for about 70 % of the fellow people living in my country.
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It is a different and unpleasant situation for N.K. bc they are in truce with S.K. In other words, their war is not over.
So, obviously, they were offended by their enemy's flag..
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I think someone is scared to get his house bombed here....
Idle threats don't scare me. I was alive for, and able to comprehend, the entire grouping of incidents that happened on 9/11/2001. Making comments like that is exactly the reason why North Korea is so damn pissed off. If 90% of the world said the same about your homeland, you'd be pissed too.
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Idle threats don't scare me. I was alive for, and able to comprehend, the entire grouping of incidents that happened on 9/11/2001. Making comments like that is exactly the reason why North Korea is so damn pissed off. If 90% of the world said the same about your homeland, you'd be pissed too.
Oh, so you think that the North Korean government is going to give a shit about someone's comment about their country? Really? And i wont be pissed off because ''90 % of the world'' thinks my country is in a dictator ship, i would agree with them but these North Korean citizens are unable to due to being controlled by the government which is a dictatorship.
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Oh, so you think that the North Korean government is going to give a shit about someone's comment about their country? Really? And i wont be pissed off because ''90 % of the world'' thinks my country is in a dictator ship, i would agree with them but these North Korean citizens are unable to due to being controlled by the government which is a dictatorship.
Umm...yes, actually. If they didn't care about someone's comment about their country, they wouldn't of been upset by the exact event we are discussing. That is kind of a given...
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They should settle their differences with Starcraft II tournament.
Ahh the negativity some of you have on this topic, i honestly didn't expect people to care much about the Koreans here in Argonath.
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They should settle their differences with Starcraft II tournament.
Ahh the negativity some of you have on this topic, i honestly didn't expect people to care much about the Koreans here in Argonath.
Humans, no matter where they are from, are still humans who deserve equal respect. :)
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Humans, no matter where they are from, are still humans who deserve equal respect
Indeed, everyone is equal.
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Umm...yes, actually. If they didn't care about someone's comment about their country, they wouldn't of been upset by the exact event we are discussing. That is kind of a given...
LOL are you serious? The North Korean government doesnt read messages which we send, and they dont give a fuck about them.. Thats a fact, what they do care about is their own citizens keeping their mouth shut and obeying, meanwhile Mr. King jong un is ''looking at things'' and building nuclear weapons to PROVOKE other countries with it, remember the missle? Anyways.. their country is one big dictatorship and you cant deny that, they dont even care about what the US Goverment says to them!
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...they dont even care about what the US Goverment says to them!
And they have to obey to every US Gov. order cause...? World dictatorship... :)
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LOL are you serious? The North Korean government doesnt read messages which we send, and they dont give a f**k about them.. Thats a fact, what they do care about is their own citizens keeping their mouth shut and obeying, meanwhile Mr. King jong un is ''looking at things'' and building nuclear weapons to PROVOKE other countries with it, remember the missle? Anyways.. their country is one big dictatorship and you cant deny that, they dont even care about what the US Goverment says to them!
1. They still haven't proved that the missile was in any way nuclear.
2. I wasn't referring to just this forum.
3. Regardless, provoking and attacking comments are not allowed in this community, so it doesn't really matter either way, as we are not allowed to say them, whether relevant to this conversation or not.
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It doesnt matter if the missle was nuclear or not, its a fact that its a sign of provoking from North Korea, aswell in this whole topic nobody has been provoked yet.. and if so, are WE provoking North Korea? oooh the irony....
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It doesnt matter if the missle was nuclear or not, its a fact that its a sign of provoking from North Korea, aswell in this whole topic nobody has been provoked yet.. and if so, are WE provoking North Korea? oooh the irony....
Actually yes, it does matter. Missiles don't always mean war. They were claiming that it was for space exploration. If that is true, then there is absolutely no threat there at all. In fact, if anything it's a betterment of knowledge.
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Actually yes, it does matter. Missiles don't always mean war. They were claiming that it was for space exploration. If that is true, then there is absolutely no threat there at all. In fact, if anything it's a betterment of knowledge.
If that happened to the US or USSR during the cold war, it wouldn't be pretty...
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Actually yes, it does matter. Missiles don't always mean war. They were claiming that it was for space exploration. If that is true, then there is absolutely no threat there at all. In fact, if anything it's a betterment of knowledge.
Yeah right.. and you're going to believe the N-Korea's government? :lol:
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If that happened to the US or USSR during the cold war, it wouldn't be pretty...
You would get the same response in any wartime situation. The difference is that the U.S. and N.K. are not at war with one another.
Yeah right.. and you're going to believe the N-Korea's government? :lol:
They haven't bombed anyone yet, and still nothing has proved that their missile wasn't for space exploration and was meant to be malicious, so yes. Right now the available evidence is backing them up. Beliefs are only opinions, not facts. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt since they've been opening themselves up to the outside world more lately.
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You would get the same response in any wartime situation. The difference is that the U.S. and N.K. are not at war with one another.
They haven't bombed anyone yet, and still nothing has proved that their missile wasn't for space exploration and was meant to be malicious, so yes. Right now the available evidence is backing them up. Beliefs are only opinions, not facts. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt since they've been opening themselves up to the outside world more lately.
Wrong.
They regularly provoke South Korea by positioning missile launchers right at the border when they are not supposed to.
A few days ago, they even placed hundreds of planes right in front of the border to "boast" about their army powers to South Korea, but it was a joke to us as we have many more than they have.
Also, if you remember, they bombed a South Korean city a few years ago. They are not opening themselves up to the world. They will stay isolated unless they change their policies.
Also, about missiles, it was already confirmed that they were testing missiles by S.K. and American representatives who went to North Korea and found bunkers for missiles. South Korea stopped supporting them with goods because they failed to keep the promise that they will stop all missile developments.
There's no doubt that they have missiles. However, many people in South Korea doubt that North Korea is stupid enough to start a war when it is not even supported by China/Russia anymore. In addition, North Korea is way behind in regards to technologies. In other words, they do not have advanced missiles unlike they maintain they do.
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The U.S. may be allied with South Korea, but we are not at war with North Korea. South Korea is. My point still stands as the United States still does not apply to the situation mentioned. If we had been discussing South Korea as the example, that would be a completely different story and I would be agreeing with you.
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many people in South Korea doubt that North Korea is stupid enough to start a war when it is not even supported by China/Russia anymore
Did the South Koreans even bother to believe in the romanticised image that western press made of Kim Jong-il?
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Did the South Koreans even bother to believe in the romanticised image that western press made of Kim Jong-il?
There's nothing to believe about Kim Jong-Il. He was a dictator and was the one who promoted the developments of nuclear bombs. The western press did nothing but showing the funeral where North Korean citizens pretended to be sad for their leader's death.
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The western press made up a whole image of Kim Jong-il's figure. Some crazy-ass blood-thristy dictator who is not in his total state of mind. Some guy who's got the ''launch'' button at his hand but is too insane to know how to use it - that's what the western press tells us about him. The provocation game between the two Koreas will continue, but there is no mentally-ill in there (in neither side) who might start a whole war on impulse as people seem to hypothesize.
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Well, technically, you can say he's ill as he spent most of money on developing nuclear bombs while his citizens starved to death.
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Well, technically, you can say he's ill as he spent most of money on developing nuclear bombs while his citizens starved to death.
He knew that the NATO would not give up until they managed to ''spread democracy'' to North Korea. Besides, no one out here can have a certain idea of how large the starvation issues in North Korea are, and also using USA-style standards to analyze situation in the country makes everything even worse.
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He knew that the NATO would not give up until they managed to ''spread democracy'' to North Korea. Besides, no one out here can have a certain idea of how large the starvation issues in North Korea are, and also using USA-style standards to analyze situation in the country makes everything even worse.
All they had to do was to stop developing the nuclear bombs. It was the agreement that if they do, we will continue supporting them with goods, and they agreed. But they failed to do so by secretly building a bunker in which they built even more missiles. NATO was not trying to spread democracy to North Korea. And, like China, NK is already democratized to a certain extend even though they deny it.
There's a documentary made by USA/South Korea showing dead people laying on the streets.
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All they had to do was to stop developing the nuclear bombs. It was the agreement that if they do, we will continue supporting them with goods, and they agreed. But they failed to do so by secretly building a bunker in which they built even more missiles.
Sure, let North Korea disarm itself and lose its defense potential so then the NATO can fabricate another beautiful ''heroes of democracy'' story and use it as excuse to completely disrupt the order in there...
There's a documentary made by USA/South Korea showing dead people laying on the streets.
Yes and the fact that North Korea is in the blacklist of USA and South Korea is a mere coincidence which should be ignored.
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Sure, let North Korea disarm itself and lose its defense potential so then the NATO can fabricate another beautiful ''heroes of democracy'' story and use it as excuse to completely disrupt the order in there...
You are saying as if it must be allowed to develop nuclear bombs when it aint.
North Korea is stopped from doing so because it apparently has threatened nations with them.
NATO does not attack nations for no reasons and make up a story as you just said.
It is pretty interesting to see an individual who actually supports a communist nation.
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NATO does not attack nations for no reasons and make up a story as you just said.
The leader of NATO faction (USA) declared war on Iraq without waiting for complete analysis of UN inspectors in the country. And the reasons they cited to attack have been hardly proven. But yeah, they use reasons like ''oil'' to attack nations indeed.
North Korea is stopped from doing so because it apparently has threatened nations with them.
India and Pakistan threatened each other because of their disputes, and they are allowed to have nuclear weapons.
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If you do not know what Saddam Hussein has done, then okay.
And I forgot to mention, USA was on the SK side before truce was agreed while China was on the NK side. So technically, USA IS in a war with NK.. So, it aint the same situation as the one in Pakistan and India.
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If you do not know what Saddam Hussein has done, then okay.
Harbored Al-Qaida? Not proven.
Killed tons of people, killed democracy, made a pact with devil? Well look at all the politically unstable nations of Africa who have been going through much bloody situations for years, why hasn't anyone bothered to raise for them the same discussions they raised for Iraq, Libya, Syria?
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Harbored Al-Qaida? Not proven.
Killed tons of people, killed democracy, made a pact with devil? Well look at all the politically unstable nations of Africa who have been going through much bloody situations for years, why hasn't anyone bothered to raise for them the same discussions they raised for Iraq, Libya, Syria?
If you say it is not proven, then it is not proven for you.
If you cannot believe what the government has maintained to the citizens, then you cannot believe anything.
It is up to you, not others, whether the govt is trustworthy to you or not.
And yes, one of the NATO's goals is to stop communism from spreading as everyone knows how pathetic it is.
NATO fights against communism and it does fight against those who try to damage democracy.
As I alluded above, it is a different situation with NK as we are in truce.
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And yes, one of the NATO's goals is to stop communism from spreading as everyone knows how pathetic it is.
NATO fights against communism and it does fight against those who try to damage democracy.
It is up to every sovereign country, not NATO, what system they should be running under. :)
Democracy and communism - two things that have never existed. Not even in Ancient Greece.
Democracy of Ancient Greece: Only the citizens (sons of Athenians) took part in the decision making. Not the people.
Democracy of today: You only see the candidates that the media wants to see. The people vote only for the candidates the media wants them to vote. The people vote, but they do not choose who will govern them.
Communism: you mean socialism. And as whether it is pathetic or not, well I have to say that it was a socialist nation that held up the big monster of World War 2 and then knocked it down. Very pathetic indeed.
And about the flag thing: it's just really interesting how it had to be a ''mistake'' right between the two Koreas.
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And about the flag thing: it's just really interesting how it had to be a ''mistake'' right between the two Koreas.
Not really surprised, as uneducated people cant differentiate two totally different Koreas.
Communism has been regarded as a threat, and that is why NATO gets involved to keep the world peaceful.
If communist nations have won against democratic nations in the world war, then the situation might have been the opposite.
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Not really surprised, as uneducated people cant differentiate two totally different Koreas.
Communism has been regarded as a threat, and that is why NATO gets involved to keep the world peaceful.
If communist nations have won against democratic nations in the world war, then the situation might have been the opposite.
Could you please name at least one communist nation?
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Could you please name at least one communist nation?
If you did not understand... I was talking about Warsaw Pact vs NATO during the world war.
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If you did not understand... I was talking about Warsaw Pact vs NATO during the world war.
What world war? Both alliances were created years after WW2 ended. :razz:
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What world war? Both alliances were created years after WW2 ended. :razz:
NATO and Warsaw Pact did exist in the world war but they were not officially created. You can technically say they existed. Cold war was the result of World War II, and that's why I referred them to being in the world war.
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NATO and Warsaw Pact did exist in the world war but they were not officially created. You can technically say they existed.
Cool story bro.
Maybe next time you go to school you should ask your history teacher to explain the reasons why these alliances were created.
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Cool story bro.
Maybe next time you go to school you should ask your history teacher to explain the reasons why these alliances were created.
Maybe next time, you should read hundreds of books about history before you argue with someone, without pretending to know things just because you've heard things from your "high school" teacher.
Do your own researches and publish papers, then you will know what I am talking about.
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Maybe next time, you should read hundreds of books about history before you argue with someone, without pretending to know things just because you've heard things from your "high school" teacher.
Do your own researches and publish papers, then you will know what I am talking about.
Another cool story.
Why would I have to research anything before talking to someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
Prove me wrong - just show any evidence of the Warsaw Pact existing during WW2. :D
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Another cool story.
Why would I have to research anything before talking to someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
Prove me wrong - just show any evidence of the Warsaw Pact existing during WW2. :D
Maybe, you should learn English more and know the meaning of the term "Technically".
Yeah, someone who's triple-majoring in bio, psych, and history do not know anything about history.
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Maybe, you should learn English more and know the meaning of the term "Technically".
Yeah, someone who's triple-majoring in bio, psych, and history do not know anything about history.
Same as Estonia "technically" existed for the last 5000 years?
So, no evidence? I'm very disappointed. :(
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Know how to use the term correctly if you want to use it.
NATO and the Warsaw Pact: Intrabloc Conflicts
This is one of the books that I have read for my major.
As you want to discuss deeply, read this first and return.
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Could you tell me, what countries technically were in this WW2 era Warsaw pact?
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If you really think that this is a "honest mistake" then your not right in the head.
This was a pure provocation from the west,this are the Olimpics we are talking about not a snooker tournament in a local pub.
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If you really think that this is a "honest mistake" then your not right in the head.
This was a pure provocation from the west,this are the Olimpics we are talking about not a snooker tournament in a local pub.
Yes but the people are still human and make (admittedly completely stupid) mistakes.
Also your post is rather laughable. "Provocation".. what?
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Yeah, mistakes can be made anywhere. I understand this being the Olympics and a mix up between the North and South Korean flags make this like 10x worse, but still, a mistake is a mistake.
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that is why NATO gets involved to keep the world peaceful.
NATO = legal terrorism.
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Quit with the politics discussion and flaming, and get back on topic unless you want this closed.
Did all of you forget the agreement that was made to keep this board open? If people can't handle it, then maybe it needs to go away again...
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If communist nations have won against democratic nations in the world war, then the situation might have been the opposite.
Could you please say how Communism (not to be confused with Socialism) is not democratic?
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NATO gets involved to keep the world peaceful
No it doesn't. All NATO does is pressure others into complying with their vision of world order.
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No it doesn't. All NATO does is pressure others into complying with their vision of world order.
What is your idea of a peaceful world then, rather than one where NATO helps facilitate order?
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What is your idea of a peaceful world then, rather than one where NATO helps facilitate order?
One where countries are free to have their own form of government, and where conflicts are solved by respecting each other instead of who has the biggest penis rockets.
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who has the biggest penis
Knowing the human race, this will probably never change. :rofl:
But that aside,
One where countries are free to have their own form of government, and where conflicts are solved by respecting each other instead of who has the biggest rockets.
Would this mean that countries would be free to have dictatorships and any form of government that would put its own self-interest above prioritizing the maximization of its citizens' public good? (i.e. the current NoKor system)
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Knowing the human race, this will probably never change. :rofl:
But that aside,
Would this mean that countries would be free to have dictatorships and any form of government that would put its own self-interest above prioritizing the maximization of its citizens' public good? (i.e. the current NoKor system)
A country has the right to have its own form of government.
Is Saudi-Arabia any better as North Korea when looked at objectively?
Is China any better?
Is the USA any better?
Is Zimbabwe any better?
Do you really believe your own government puts the public good above their own interests ?
The public good is determined by the government, so public good is basicly their self-interest.
Public good is not public well-being. Nor is public good freedom. Public good is what is perceived by citizens as the condition they wish to live in.
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Public good is what is perceived by citizens as the condition they wish to live in.
That is a very good point. What's accepted by society is what determines what people think should and shouldn't be there, whether they have control over it or not.
If others could respect that, and only attempt to make changes where something is truly wrong, rather than a differing opinion, then this world would be a much better place with many less wars and confusion.
But alas, we live in a world that is far from perfect, however seeing everyone, including North Korea, at the Olympics shows that we are capable, as one race, to unite despite our differences...and although this would be better than categorizing ourselves in the world into different countries or places if it could happen every day, people do, (fortunately and unfortunately), have pride in their own country due to what they believe it has accomplished, judged by society and what it has accepted. For this, I cannot blame North Korea for being insulted by the wrong flag being shown. Whether it was their biggest enemy, or just a random country's flag, it's still insulting because they feel they were misrepresented. North Korea and South Korea split because they didn't agree with one another in society. Showing the other's flag to represent them is only a painful and angry reminder of that.
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Would this mean that countries would be free to have dictatorships and any form of government that would put its own self-interest above prioritizing the maximization of its citizens' public good? (i.e. the current NoKor system)
None of the views put forth by media about lack of satisfaction with non-USA-model governments are accurate. In ANY country, if there is an unsatisfied majority, there would be no nuclear bombs, no foreign powers or anything to stop the people's revolt.