Olympics: Apology for N Korea in wrong flag row

[Boromir]

You would get the same response in any wartime situation. The difference is that the U.S. and N.K. are not at war with one another.
They haven't bombed anyone yet, and still nothing has proved that their missile wasn't for space exploration and was meant to be malicious, so yes. Right now the available evidence is backing them up. Beliefs are only opinions, not facts. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt since they've been opening themselves up to the outside world more lately.

Wrong.
They regularly provoke South Korea by positioning missile launchers right at the border when they are not supposed to.
A few days ago, they even placed hundreds of planes right in front of the border to "boast" about their army powers to South Korea, but it was a joke to us as we have many more than they have.

Also, if you remember, they bombed a South Korean city a few years ago. They are not opening themselves up to the world. They will stay isolated unless they change their policies.

Also, about missiles, it was already confirmed that they were testing missiles by S.K. and American representatives who went to North Korea and found bunkers for missiles. South Korea stopped supporting them with goods because they failed to keep the promise that they will stop all missile developments.

There's no doubt that they have missiles. However, many people in South Korea doubt that North Korea is stupid enough to start a war when it is not even supported by China/Russia anymore. In addition, North Korea is way behind in regards to technologies. In other words, they do not have advanced missiles unlike they maintain they do.

[SugarD]

The U.S. may be allied with South Korea, but we are not at war with North Korea. South Korea is. My point still stands as the United States still does not apply to the situation mentioned. If we had been discussing South Korea as the example, that would be a completely different story and I would be agreeing with you.

[JayL]

many people in South Korea doubt that North Korea is stupid enough to start a war when it is not even supported by China/Russia anymore

Did the South Koreans even bother to believe in the romanticised image that western press made of Kim Jong-il?

[Boromir]

Did the South Koreans even bother to believe in the romanticised image that western press made of Kim Jong-il?

There's nothing to believe about Kim Jong-Il. He was a dictator and was the one who promoted the developments of nuclear bombs. The western press did nothing but showing the funeral where North Korean citizens pretended to be sad for their leader's death.

[JayL]

The western press made up a whole image of Kim Jong-il's figure. Some crazy-ass blood-thristy dictator who is not in his total state of mind. Some guy who's got the ''launch'' button at his hand but is too insane to know how to use it - that's what the western press tells us about him. The provocation game between the two Koreas will continue, but there is no mentally-ill in there (in neither side) who might start a whole war on impulse as people seem to hypothesize.

[Boromir]

Well, technically, you can say he's ill as he spent most of money on developing nuclear bombs while his citizens starved to death.

[JayL]

Well, technically, you can say he's ill as he spent most of money on developing nuclear bombs while his citizens starved to death.

He knew that the NATO would not give up until they managed to ''spread democracy'' to North Korea. Besides, no one out here can have a certain idea of how large the starvation issues in North Korea are, and also using USA-style standards to analyze situation in the country makes everything even worse.

[Boromir]

He knew that the NATO would not give up until they managed to ''spread democracy'' to North Korea. Besides, no one out here can have a certain idea of how large the starvation issues in North Korea are, and also using USA-style standards to analyze situation in the country makes everything even worse.

All they had to do was to stop developing the nuclear bombs. It was the agreement that if they do, we will continue supporting them with goods, and they agreed. But they failed to do so by secretly building a bunker in which they built even more missiles. NATO was not trying to spread democracy to North Korea. And, like China, NK is already democratized to a certain extend even though they deny it.
 
There's a documentary made by USA/South Korea showing dead people laying on the streets.

[JayL]

All they had to do was to stop developing the nuclear bombs. It was the agreement that if they do, we will continue supporting them with goods, and they agreed. But they failed to do so by secretly building a bunker in which they built even more missiles.

Sure, let North Korea disarm itself and lose its defense potential so then the NATO can fabricate another beautiful ''heroes of democracy'' story and use it as excuse to completely disrupt the order in there...

There's a documentary made by USA/South Korea showing dead people laying on the streets.

Yes and the fact that North Korea is in the blacklist of USA and South Korea is a mere coincidence which should be ignored.

[Boromir]

Sure, let North Korea disarm itself and lose its defense potential so then the NATO can fabricate another beautiful ''heroes of democracy'' story and use it as excuse to completely disrupt the order in there...

You are saying as if it must be allowed to develop nuclear bombs when it aint.
North Korea is stopped from doing so because it apparently has threatened nations with them.
NATO does not attack nations for no reasons and make up a story as you just said.

It is pretty interesting to see an individual who actually supports a communist nation.

[JayL]

NATO does not attack nations for no reasons and make up a story as you just said.

The leader of NATO faction (USA) declared war on Iraq without waiting for complete analysis of UN inspectors in the country. And the reasons they cited to attack have been hardly proven. But yeah, they use reasons like ''oil'' to attack nations indeed.

North Korea is stopped from doing so because it apparently has threatened nations with them.

India and Pakistan threatened each other because of their disputes, and they are allowed to have nuclear weapons.

[Boromir]

If you do not know what Saddam Hussein has done, then okay.

And I forgot to mention, USA was on the SK side before truce was agreed while China was on the NK side. So technically, USA IS in a war with NK.. So, it aint the same situation as the one in Pakistan and India.

[JayL]

If you do not know what Saddam Hussein has done, then okay.

Harbored Al-Qaida? Not proven.
Killed tons of people, killed democracy, made a pact with devil? Well look at all the politically unstable nations of Africa who have been going through much bloody situations for years, why hasn't anyone bothered to raise for them the same discussions they raised for Iraq, Libya, Syria?

[Boromir]

Harbored Al-Qaida? Not proven.
Killed tons of people, killed democracy, made a pact with devil? Well look at all the politically unstable nations of Africa who have been going through much bloody situations for years, why hasn't anyone bothered to raise for them the same discussions they raised for Iraq, Libya, Syria?

If you say it is not proven, then it is not proven for you.
If you cannot believe what the government has maintained to the citizens, then you cannot believe anything.
It is up to you, not others, whether the govt is trustworthy to you or not.

And yes, one of the NATO's goals is to stop communism from spreading as everyone knows how pathetic it is.
NATO fights against communism and it does fight against those who try to damage democracy.

As I alluded above, it is a different situation with NK as we are in truce.

[JayL]

And yes, one of the NATO's goals is to stop communism from spreading as everyone knows how pathetic it is.
NATO fights against communism and it does fight against those who try to damage democracy.

It is up to every sovereign country, not NATO, what system they should be running under.

Democracy and communism - two things that have never existed. Not even in Ancient Greece.

Democracy of Ancient Greece: Only the citizens (sons of Athenians) took part in the decision making. Not the people.
Democracy of today: You only see the candidates that the media wants to see. The people vote only for the candidates the media wants them to vote. The people vote, but they do not choose who will govern them.
Communism: you mean socialism. And as whether it is pathetic or not, well I have to say that it was a socialist nation that held up the big monster of World War 2 and then knocked it down. Very pathetic indeed.

And about the flag thing: it's just really interesting how it had to be a ''mistake'' right between the two Koreas.