Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Forum and site ideas and information => Topic started by: SugarD on August 05, 2012, 08:32:12 am
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I think the topic pretty much explains this one. Lately I've been seeing a huge uprising in political and personal fights and malicious arguments in topics in that board that shouldn't exist, putting off a horrible image of our community to the outside world, hurting people's feelings, and ruining perfectly good topics and discussions.
My idea is simple, and should hopefully cut back on this issue. With someone present and actively moderating the board, it will not only clean out the rule-breaking posts, but it might also hinder people's thoughts a bit about creating them to begin with.
Presently, as it stands, there are no board-specific Moderators for that board. Only those with Global Moderation or specialty rights, or Administrators, can moderate the board right now, and it doesn't appear to be working very well as those with those rights tend to have their focus in more important areas.
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I agree 100%.
I was thinking about mentioning this today actually as I was going to sleep last night xD
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I would vouch for Board Moderators on every board, espescially boards with discussions that can be disputed like there.
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The thing is that not in every case what we see as offensive/disturbing is also offensive/disturbing for the user which it is directed at. When an user finds something disturbing they can use the report tool and they do it (plus the preventive job that current moderators do when they come across obvious rulebreak such as insulting), and seeing how we get usually 2-4 forum reports a day I think that if only the Managers+ were moderators (just to give an example of low-number staff) the demand would already be handled.
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True that, if a post seems disrespectful/provocative to you, just report it instead of arguing with the user.
The Management/moderators will deal with it accordingly.
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Not all Managers or Forum Moderators can actually moderate these boards, so the report function is useless if no one sees the reports to begin with. As for the number of reports received, I don't know where people get these low numbers from, because I make more reports than that in a day myself.
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Not all Managers or Forum Moderators can actually moderate these boards, so the report function is useless if no one sees the report to begin with. As for the number of reports received, idk where people get these low numbers from, because I make more reports than that in a day myself.
Perhaps the number of reports JayL is mentioning is in regards to actual valid reports.
I'm not pointing fingers, but perhaps you are too fast to report if you say you make more than 4 reports a day on average.
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Not all Managers or Forum Moderators can actually moderate these boards, so the report function is useless if no one sees the reports to begin with. As for the number of reports received, I don't know where people get these low numbers from, because I make more reports than that in a day myself.
The 'Report' function on the forum is not useless at all, every report I recieve is being handled by 3 persons at once excluding the Main Administration and is taken care off very fast.
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Perhaps the number of reports JayL is mentioning is in regards to actual valid reports.
I'm not pointing fingers, but perhaps you are too fast to report if you say you make more than 4 reports a day on average.
Although as he said it depends on people's views, there are many posts I see daily that are very clearly attacking other users, and often times just get ignored when I report them. I'm beginning to have a feeling that some users may be closing their own reports, because many times some of the users being reported have forum moderation rights...
The 'Report' function on the forum is not useless at all, every report I recieve is being handled by 3 persons at once excluding the Main Administration and is taken care off very fast.
I'm saying it's only useless if no one receives the report. Reports on specific boards only get reported to those with moderation rights on those boards. If no one active has moderation rights on those boards, the reports go unseen.
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Although as he said it depends on people's views, there are many posts I see daily that are very clearly attacking other users, and often times just get ignored when I report them. I'm beginning to have a feeling that some users may be closing their own reports, because many times some of the users being reported have forum moderation rights...
Although you may have a point, I disapprove of any form of speculation especially when the speculation is coming from someone with an administrative position possibly pointing fingers at other administration members.
There ought to be some sort of mutual respect between community members, and also between administration members.
I'm saying it's only useless if no one receives the report. Reports on specific boards only get reported to those with moderation rights on those boards. If no one active has moderation rights on those boards, the reports go unseen.
No report goes unseen, reports always get linked to whom ever has the ability to deal with them, for example any forum report will be linked to Gandalf, other Owners and Community Leaders alike.
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The thing is that not in every case what we see as offensive/disturbing is also offensive/disturbing for the user which it is directed at. When an user finds something disturbing they can use the report tool and they do it (plus the preventive job that current moderators do when they come across obvious rulebreak such as insulting), and seeing how we get usually 2-4 forum reports a day I think that if only the Managers+ were moderators (just to give an example of low-number staff) the demand would already be handled.
True that, if a post seems disrespectful/provocative to you, just report it instead of arguing with the user.
The Management/moderators will deal with it accordingly.
So lets remove all board-only moderators then eh?
Think about that for a second, we already have board-moderators in some locations for a reason. These sections are very active, and there are more rules specific to this board than provoking and flaming that can go unreported in many cases. This is only to ease the stress and keep people on topic, as board moderators also do.
Also, if you read you would see this isn't all about going punishment happy. He is suggesting the "prevent by numbers" theory. By which seeing active forum moderators designated to that area present, will lead to keeping users actively aware that the section is being monitored and will be less inclined to lead to a rulebreak.
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Although you may have a point, I disapprove of any form of speculation especially when the speculation is coming from someone with an administrative position possibly pointing fingers at other administration members.
There ought to be some sort of mutual respect between community members, and also between administration members.
No report goes unseen, reports always get linked to whom ever has the ability to deal with them, for example any forum report will be linked to Gandalf, other Owners and Community Leaders alike.
1. I never said I lacked respect for anyone. This is simply the only idea I can come up with regarding these so-called low numbers of reports. It makes sense too because many of those I've reported actually are in some kind of special position in the community. I'm not saying it's just them specifically, but it's not only regular users either. If it is true, then they are only digging their own graves by doing such.
2. As for Community Leaders and above, yes, but like I said in my first post, they don't have the time to deal with these kinds of things on a daily basis. Their focus is on much larger things, and they shouldn't have to sit here and babysit users to stop arguments and attacks on each other, which is exactly why Moderators exist in this community's forum. They don't need another thing dumped on them just because people can't get along.
You're also misinterpreting my point. No, not all reports go seen. Anyone with certain rank rights may be able to see them, yes, but as I said, many of them don't have time to deal with these reports. If no Moderators are assigned to handle those boards, (either through global or specific rights), then no one will see the reports to begin with on a regular basis, and the fighting will only escalate until someone with rights notices and issues more severe punishment.
He is suggesting the "prevent by numbers" theory. By which seeing active forum moderators designated to that area present, will lead to keeping users actively aware that the section is being monitored and will be less inclined to lead to a rulebreak.
Exactly! If users don't attack each other to begin with, then the issue never arises from the start. If they do attack each other, then it only increases until the time where someone can stop it successfully, which can even sometimes lead to more anger, and more hateful topics or replies.
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If users can't go along respecting each others views and making reason for posts to get reported, they won't be in here for much longer.
It is a privilege to be able to have all these boards and all these different topics, if a person chooses to abuse their privileges, it will be removed if necessary.
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If users can't go along respecting each others views and making reason for posts to get reported, they won't be in here for much longer.
User reports that aren't breaking the rules are perfectly valid. As was said many times previously, users have differing views. You can't just remove someone from the community for reporting posts they see as malicious.
It is a privilege to be able to have all these boards and all these different topics, if a person chooses to abuse their privileges, it will be removed if necessary.
Agreed. I'm getting sick of seeing this negative image of our community being put across because users in these boards don't wish to get along just because they don't agree with each other.
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He is suggesting the "prevent by numbers" theory
I think that if only the Managers+ were moderators (just to give an example of low-number staff) the demand would already be handled.
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SugarD: what do you mean with not all managers being able to moderate certain boards?
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:roll:
You clearly don't understand. And considering other recent handling, strongly doubted.
What I'm saying is, if you see that there is DEDICATED members to moderating a section, you are more inclined to think twice about RULE BREAKING.
This is similar to why police patrol an area, the sheer force of presence of those dedicated are a method of crime prevention.
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I see you like capitals and bold. :neutral:
I still see no advantage on having a dedicated moderator for the section, members will still break the rules no matter what.
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Actually the tools disponible to local moderators are not very intimdating... I don't think an excess of people who can only give a warning of 20% every day will contribute to solving anything.
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Again, it isn't punishments. Its the presence (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presence).
presence - The state or fact of being present, as with others or in a place.
I see you like capitals and bold. :neutral:
I still see no advantage on having a dedicated moderator for the section, members will still break the rules no matter what.
Take away all levels of Moderation for a day. Remove all levels of reprimanding, punishments and ban all with those to do so for only a day. You'll see a sheer spike in the amount of rulebreaks. You don't see it affecting much as of right now mainly because this is already in a degree in affect. However, that doesn't mean the theory doesn't work.
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SugarD: what do you mean with not all managers being able to moderate certain boards?
Exactly that...
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hurting people's feelings
Oh no!
Frankly I don't see what was wrong with the old Politics & Religion section.
Or failing that bring back Kill-Zone. :roll:
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Oh no!
Frankly I don't see what was wrong with the old Politics & Religion section.
Or failing that bring back Kill-Zone. :roll:
This topic explains why, as did the Server Owners at one point.
Also, the sarcastic "Oh no" about people's feelings being hurt isn't exactly the greatest thing to say here, and it's not appreciated. Bear in mind, our community is a friendly one. We aren't here to just RP and not care about how others feel.
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Not needed, I don't think that board should be censored at all, or it won't even exist no more. However, Gandalf still moderates it, and if anyone among the current forum moderators only Caltson can be the one to take ''correct'' decisions there. :devroll:
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As for the number of reports received, I don't know where people get these low numbers from, because I make more reports than that in a day myself.
And don't we know it! :roll:
Perhaps it's a case of certain people being prudish here. It's better to let an argument resolve itself without intervening than throwing down the hammer. Getting into the habit of reporting every post in sight, just because someone feels that it might possibly offend someone, isn't the way to go. By doing that, we're bordering on political correctness, where nobody can say anything without being chastized for possibly maybe causing offence to someone at some point in time.
I'm all for moderation, indeed it takes up a lot of my time, and I'll stop a situation from escalating if I can see it's going to, but senseless moderation for moderation's sake belongs in censored countries.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one, and some of them stink, but everyone's entitled to hold one, even if others don't agree with it. Others may hold an opinion of equal value, but it's his right to.
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By doing that, we're bordering on political correctness, where nobody can say anything without being chastized for possibly maybe causing offence to someone at some point in time.
Political discussions aren't even allowed to begin with, so it shouldn't even be an issue in the literal sense.
As for border-lining on it, I'm not saying to correct statements we don't agree with. I'm talking about the things where people say things that attack the other user or clearly break the rules.
If you guys want examples, I'm sure I can provide plenty that are clearly breaking the rules, but I'm not here to point fingers. I just want the negative image of our community to cease, and players get back to respecting each other. This board is not an excuse to get around the rules.
Not needed, I don't think that board should be censored at all, or it won't even exist no more. However, Gandalf still moderates it...
Presently, as it stands, there are no board-specific Moderators for that board. Only those with Global Moderation or specialty rights, or Administrators, can moderate the board right now, and it doesn't appear to be working very well as those with those rights tend to have their focus in more important areas.
As for censorship, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about enforcing the rules. Censorship has nothing to do with that. When someone is flaming and provoking someone else because they don't agree with their opinion, that is breaking the rules. When someone is just giving a point of view that differs from the other users', without attacking the other user, then that is a simple debate, which is perfectly fine within the rules, as it even states.
There is no need for people to flame, provoke, or otherwise attack one another just to get a point across. The point of the topics are to discuss the news articles and what people think about them...not what they hate about every other person posting in the topic.
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Deploy a forum bot, set sensitivity level HIGH, and let it handle the job.
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Deploy a forum bot, set sensitivity level HIGH, and let it handle the job.
ba dum tsss
I think that if Managers+ were to have board moderator ranks, like JayL said, the issue would be solved. There would be no need for a forum bot, and there wouldn't be so many errors that a forum bot would create.
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I gave my opinion, I was not trolling..
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I gave my opinion, I was not trolling..
Did you reply to a post that isn't there anymore, or did I miss something?
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World and local news definitely needs board moderators.
It's highly active and most of the time threads go off topic.
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World and local news definitely needs board moderators.
It's highly active and most of the time threads go off topic.
And what is wrong with that as long as its interesting ?
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Sugar you make much less reports than you think.
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Sugar you make much less reports than you think.
I know how many I make because I'm the one that sends them in. :P
And what is wrong with that as long as its interesting ?
I think he means the topics that go way beyond their original intention, like when people start up political discussions and flame each other for their opinions, rather than the occasional discussion or debate of topics relevant to the original thread itself.
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On one hand, having two or three moderators in that board will not hurt.
On the other, how is the current moderation staff not doing its job in moderating World and Local News?
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On the other, how is the current moderation staff not doing its job in moderating World and Local News?
Check some of the posts in a few of the topics and you'll know exactly what I mean. Technically there isn't a moderation staff for that board anyway. Only those with Global Moderator or Administrator rights can moderate it right now.
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And what is wrong with that as long as its interesting ?
Like SugarD said, I didn't mean the thread changing subject but people bringing unneccessary insults and hatred into an argument.
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Like SugarD said, I didn't mean the thread changing subject but people bringing unneccessary insults and hatred into an argument.
Good point, it seems like 60% of topics become a "lets shit on that country" discussion within the first 5 posts, or just a flat out political debate.
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Good point, it seems like 60% of topics become a "lets shit on that country" discussion within the first 5 posts, or just a flat out political debate.
Exactly why I proposed this. It's getting way out of hand, and it's only making our community look bad in the long run.
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It depends on what you call shitting on a country.
If people wish to learn anything about other countries, you have to give them space to hang themselves. So if you know they are shitting without reason, you can correct them. If they are shitting your country with reason, its not shitting as they are correct.
As for the harsh delivery, its part of the game of being young. Some are able to discuss with just simple words, others are used to use harsh language. Answer them politely and if they see it does not work they will most likely stop. If you start discussing who is provoking or trolling who, it is certainly to go out of control.
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Truth hurts. If someone's causing trouble by telling lies, they can be dealt with. If it's true, it's a different story.