Gimli once said that the numbers in the /dice system are taken from www.random.org, and that website generates randomness based on atmospheric noises.
In other words, it is "complete" randomness and not just some mathematical formula, which ultimately means that no cheats will ever exist.
Plus Gimli even bet $10million to whoever figures out how to beat the system.:eek: How about betting that mansion of his? :roll:
iGBz, I already tried to tell these guys that the script doesn't make it random. Don't waist your time on it, because they will not even listen to you.
iGBz, I already tried to tell these guys that the script doesn't make it random. Don't waist your time on it, because they will not even listen to you.
The thing is, it is random. You can NOT create a hack for /dice since the actual /dice function is not loaded into your clients memory, which makes it impossible to create any hack or cheat program for it.
iGBz, I already tried to tell these guys that the script doesn't make it random. Don't waist your time on it, because they will not even listen to you.
Someone doesn't know the meaning of random. :roll:
iGBz, I already tried to tell these guys that the script doesn't make it random. Don't waist your time on it, because they will not even listen to you.
Please do tell us more about how your a pro scripter and know every line of Argoanth Scripts.
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I never said that. I said there are tricks to get high numbers. That's all.
Definition of random: "Made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision"
I never said that. I said there are tricks to get high numbers. That's all.Well, there isn't.
I never said that. I said there are tricks to get high numbers. That's all.
http://wiki.sa-mp.com/wiki/Randomwrong wrong wrong, this is random:
It's simple.There are two players, one is going to lose and other is going to win.What's so ''hacky'' about that?Because when you're not being lucky, the other side is definitely a hacker :D
Because when you're not being lucky, the other side is definitely a hacker :DIt always is that way.I won 300k today, lost 200k, gambled again and won 400k.For all of you who think people hack, it's just goddamn luck.
Actually there used to have something back in 2011 for BJ, I'm pretty sure.Actually I do remember that too, but that was in January actually.Didn't really believe that shit but some guys landed on 21 like 6 times straight.Luck? :P
It always is that way.I won 300k today, lost 200k, gambled again and won 400k.For all of you who think people hack, it's just goddamn luck.According to a recently arrested man, you become more lucky if you masturbate while gambling. :lol:
NO it doesnt count if you jump, or move in anyways with your character.
NO it doesnt help if you hold a weapon of somekind.
NO it doesnd help if you have another skin or anything like that.
According to a recently arrested man, you become more lucky if you masturbate while gambling. :lol:
According to a recently arrested man, you become more lucky if you masturbate while gambling. :lol:So that's how they do it? :evil:
Actually I do remember that too, but that was in January actually.Didn't really believe that shit but some guys landed on 21 like 6 times straight.Luck? :POf course not :)
It seems some people get a bit too annoyed over losing some virtual money then come up with ideas saying players are able to cheat/hack on a completely random system.
According to a recently arrested man, you become more lucky if you masturbate while gambling. :lol:
The chances of you guessing the next number are quite high though, 16.(6)7%(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/profiles/icons/big/000/093/508/276172_Papel-de-Parede-Meme-I-See-What-You-Did-There_1280x1024.jpg)
Just spam /dice within 1.5s and you will have a 80% chance of getting a number above 4.lol.
According to a recently arrested man, you become more lucky if you masturbate while gambling. :lol:Oh so that's why Argo casino dealers are rather big hairy men than skinny ladies with flashy clothes? :lol:
Just spam /dice within 1.5s and you will have a 80% chance of getting a number above 4.
I'm still waiting for the day when Argonath stops believing that there's some kind of secret magic dice cheat.
ok by default your 'score' after doing /dice twice is set to less than 8, however it increases by 2 everytime you kill an admin on duty... enjoy....
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/27TI/tell-me-more/image.png)well I wanted to put 'u know what was funny??? 9/11!' but I'd get banned, sorry
In all seriousness, not really funny.
THe only thing I know for sure is: If the server lags badly like it did a few months back, then if you would've used /dice you'd always get shitty number.This is true.
There is cheat , actually not cheat but script abuse , that Lucio_X uses something that makes him lag to get High Numbers.Man.. seriously? You actually believe that?
There is cheat , actually not cheat but script abuse , that Lucio_X uses something that makes him lag to get High Numbers.That aint right man.
I was dealing x2 at a casino today and came across someone that only rolled 6 or 5 for their first number (/dice). Could this be more than just luck?Actually.I played with Lucio_X today his prev. name is [Gstar]Xterm.And 80 percent of the dices he rolled we're a 6 and a 2.I dont know what to make out of it.Anyways at the end when I was done I managed to clean 600k off him.Luck?
Spoiler for logs.[19:52:26] You received $50000 from Lucio_X(10).
[19:52:39] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:52:47] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 2.
[19:54:00] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:54:01] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 1.
[19:54:02] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 3.
[19:54:03] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:54:27] You received $100000 from Lucio_X(10).
[19:54:31] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 5.
[19:54:32] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:54:33] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 1.
[19:54:35] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 5.
[19:55:11] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 5.
[19:55:13] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 4.
[19:55:13] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 2.
[19:55:14] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 3.
[19:55:37] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:55:38] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 2.
[19:55:38] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 4.
[19:55:39] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 4.
[19:55:52] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:55:53] Lucio_X(10) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 4.
[19:55:54] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 6.
[19:55:55] BrendanSforza(36) tries his luck and rolls the dice. The dice lands on the number 3.
Ok, Gimli. Let's do it this way. You and Conroy goes to a casino, you Gimli got unlimited money, you can just give Conroy 2m so he could use them in casino and afterwards removing them. Tell me the results after you and Conroy have been playing.
The first 10 rounds, where you send the cash right away, and do /dice right after. Tell me the results of the winning in x2. Then the next 10 rounds after that. Conroy gonna be dealer, and you gonna send him let's say 100k, then Conroy gonna wait at least 7 seconds - before he says "Go". Then you dice. Tell me the results after that, and I want screenshot proves. Then I will believe you that there are no tricks.
Believe what you want. If you think there are tricks, do what ever makes you get high numbers.
We, the developers, are telling you that the numbers are preloaded into memory when the server starts up and when ever the numbers in memory run out new ones are loaded.
The only luck is when you roll the dice, the next numbers in memory are high, nothing else
Ok, fine then. Then you got no proves that there actually is no trick in the /dice.
Ok, fine then. Then you got no proves that there actually is no trick in the /dice.
Go argue with someone/something that cares.
Will you give it a god damn rest? They don't have to prove shit to you, if you don't like it then leave and go play elsewhere. If all you want to do here is make a fight out of everything and shit on the community its players and accuse the developers of lying, then just get lost.
You clearly don't see it do you? If you were gambling in Argonath regularly, which I doubt you and the developers of Argonath do, then you would understand. But, no it's wrong that the players gives a message that there clearly are something wrong with exactly that script, and all we get in return is shitting and trolls. You know what, if that is what's stopping me from playing, so be it. I don't want developers like that, I want someone who can make themselves a little humble and actually take it into consideration and test it out for a longer time of period instead of only one f**king /dice round and then claim it is "random", OF f**kING COURSE It's random when you only try ONCE! Go screw yourself with that bullshit you present to me.
They don't need to play or test it to see if its random, they know the code. If you knew a single fk about development it would be obvious to you that yes there is as xcasio stated a "chance" of being able to guess the next number. This guessing would need to be done by a computer and running the algorithms that generate the number themselves. Yes there is a seed, yes this seed is random (most likely) in my LUA and even in web development, random I know i use the time current time in UNIX as the seed for random but still, the chances of being able to abuse this are very very slim. This isn't like card counting, you don't do a simple math per card and then spam your keyboard like a insane little 6 year old and randomly somehow get lucky.
I suggest you learn how things work before you start point fingers and telling the developers to prove things they don't need to as its easily accessible knowledge.
How can we check randomness?
This topic is prove enough that everyone shit on his question and just trash it right away. Yes, I do know about development, that's why I think this should be checked. Yeah, you're right, xcasio said it might be a chance.. Even if it was 0.00000000000000001 percent chance that it is a possible dice trick, then it should of course be considered! Even Betsson is more random than Argonath, so go and cool the f**k down.
And yeah, as I've stated in my earlier topic about the same thing is that I've checked this for a long time of period, NOW I want the developers to take a look.
Look, your right it isn't random. 100% purely out of someones ass isn't possible.
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Any of this make sense? No.
Listen, it can't be made any better. Make it not use a generation of random numbers would require it to be manually generated which would actually lead to it be able to be abused. There are more complex random number generators but this one is perfectly able to suffice. I'm perfectly fine here also, I think your the one who needs to calm down over a game and simple script with virtual money that works perfectly fine.
http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=6&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new
Our numbers are generated from that website, you can test it for yourself
I'm not the developer here, but if there's any way I can help, I will be there. I am not standing here trying to prove something for nothing.If you genuinely think that the /dice system is not random, then make a video of yourself generating 20 6's in a row without one flaw.
Perfectly five. Try gambling over time and you realize it isn't about luck in Argonath, it's about knowledge of tricks. I want this game to be tactical like IRL, but it's not. I'm calm and fine, but you're ignoring what I say with stupid arguments. And yes, you would know that mathematic form you added, if you would be able to study it. But, it seems as none here is able to study anything according to this topic. You're not even willing to study if it is actually randomness or something else that bugs it.
Post Merge: August 10, 2012, 01:54:07 am
Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclution about which one is the most random.
Ok, let me know the next time Stephen Hawking is playing. I have some questions to ask him.
In seriousness, many people can't preform these mathematical formulas in their head in a matter of seconds. So, yes you are right.. they could but it would take them a few minutes at the least to do it. You also have to understand many of the players here are still in High School or equivalent so they won't be able to preform this level of math in a month. I am assuring you, player to player. Developer, maybe not of pawno, but I know on a professional scale many other languages that use those exact formulas, this isn't easily abusable and it is my absolute best assurance that I can say nobody in Argoanth has the ability to preform that level of math in such a short time. Even so, they don't know the seed, or how the seed works, so they'd have to hack the scripts to find out....
Look, your right it isn't random. 100% purely out of someones ass isn't possible.Source function(don't know the actual word in English) F that is dependent on variable b is equal to an integral from minus infinity to b of the function f that is dependent of the variable b'.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/6/9/8/6989b92376c042fbe39329f2780a1bc4.png)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/7/9/e/79e7ba43941c78ef6c4e1065ea59545b.png)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/6/9/d/69dfd1bca22af8d6ebca681239d64030.png)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/a/3/2/a32d6b4cba2f0dc590667226d038b05c.png)
Any of this make sense? No.
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Ok, if you are absolutely 100 percent sure, as you seem to be here, on who's life are you swearing on? Let's say you swear on your daughters life, that means there are not any possibilities to be wrong, you would not be wrong. But I am one hundred percent sure, if I told you to swear on your daughters life(if you have one), then you would hesitate because it's first then you realize that you might be wrong, am I correct?
This is a way to think about things, yes it's a horrible way, but it's a way that will make you be 100 percent sure about it.
So, nothing really hard to understand there.
Perfectly five. Try gambling over time and you realize it isn't about luck in Argonath, it's about knowledge of tricks. I want this game to be tactical like IRL, but it's not. I'm calm and fine, but you're ignoring what I say with stupid arguments. And yes, you would know that mathematic form you added, if you would be able to study it. But, it seems as none here is able to study anything according to this topic. You're not even willing to study if it is actually randomness or something else that bugs it.THERE ISNT ANYTHING SUCH AS 'MOST RANDOM' OMG! the only way to do it 'more random' would be adding more numbers to be able to show up! is that so hard to understand?
Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclusion about which one is the most random.
http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=6&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new
Our numbers are generated from that website, you can test it for yourself
Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclusion about which one is the most random.As you said that one is random. So anything else would be worse now would it? But if you think it is not random ok, let me enlighten you how they get their random number, what Argonath also uses.
require("math")
require("socket")
require("math_source")
local file = io.open("temp.txt", "w")
for i=1,10 do
x = math.random(6)
print(x)
file:write(x .. "\n")
end
file:close()
io.read()
I'm not the developer here, but if there's any way I can help, I will be there. I am not standing here trying to prove something for nothing.You are not following logic here. Gimli and Conroy made the script to be as random as humanly possible.
This topic is prove enough that everyone shit on his question and just trash it right away. Yes, I do know about development, that's why I think this should be checked. Yeah, you're right, xcasio said it might be a chance.. Even if it was 0.00000000000000001 percent chance that it is a possible dice trick, then it should of course be considered! Even Betsson is more random than Argonath, so go and cool the f**k down.There was a 0.000000000001% chance when we used the old dice system.
And yeah, as I've stated in my earlier topic about the same thing is that I've checked this for a long time of period, NOW I want the developers to take a look.