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Title: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Teddy on August 08, 2012, 02:01:57 am
Only last week the site was taken down by a large DDOS attack, in the wake of this it has become aware that multiple governments were behind the attacks, and as of the 7th, the Ukraine Government moves in for the final blow, taking the site and their owners down.

This site, one of the most trusted and secure was not like other sites, this one was a membership based, and to become a member you had to be invited.

Ukraine investigators showed up at the datacenter where the site was hosted, order the company to terminate the contract and copied all the data from the site off of it. (including my information :( ). This was apparently only days after the deputy prime minster for the Ukraine visited the United States on the topic of copyright infringement.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19166779 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19166779)

So, shit.
Luckily, I doubt any thing will happen to normal users since they aren't the ones who are actually sharing the content.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: stormeus on August 08, 2012, 02:07:41 am
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piracy sites

Trackers. Torrent trackers. While Demonoid, without a doubt, did host pirated content, there was still some amount of completely legal file sharing going on.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Marcel on August 08, 2012, 02:17:11 am
Trackers. Torrent trackers. While Demonoid, without a doubt, did host pirated content, there was still some amount of completely legal file sharing going on.

Demonoid, nor any other torrent sites host any material. They merely link to it. And not even link, to be exact. They link the user to other users that may or may not have a certain part of a certain file, based on hashes.

Problem with the sites is that most countries hold them liable due to "intentional facilitating the distribution of copyrighted content".

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: stormeus on August 08, 2012, 02:21:34 am
Demonoid, nor any other torrent sites host any material. They merely link to it. And not even link, to be exact. They link the user to other users that may or may not have a certain part of a certain file, based on hashes.

By running a torrent tracker, they facilitated the file sharing. Sites like The Pirate Bay use torrent files and are moving toward eliminating those and just using magnet links so they host virtually no files. They did run a tracker, though it was shut down years ago.

Since TPB does not actively run a tracker, it should be legal for them to operate. However, lobby groups continue to advocate for shutting down entire sites that merely operate as search engines, yet Demonoid is not just a search engine.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Patton on August 08, 2012, 07:11:29 am
However, lobby groups continue to advocate for shutting down entire sites that merely operate as search engines, yet Demonoid is not just a search engine.

Then they should start trying to shut down Google too. Look for any music album or film with "rapidshare" or "blogspot" or whatever at the end on Google and you will get dozens of results pointing to pirated content.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: stormeus on August 08, 2012, 10:36:22 am
Then they should start trying to shut down Google too. Look for any music album or film with "rapidshare" or "blogspot" or whatever at the end on Google and you will get dozens of results pointing to pirated content.

The "Pirate Bay" trial made this argument. The charges for copyright infringement against the operators were dropped. For some reason they were still charged with "helping make available" copyrighted content. So yes, someone should start trying to shut down Google. :redface:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Gandalf on August 08, 2012, 10:40:06 am
Then they should start trying to shut down Google too. Look for any music album or film with "rapidshare" or "blogspot" or whatever at the end on Google and you will get dozens of results pointing to pirated content.
The difference is that Google stores your data and sends it to the US government.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2012, 10:43:33 am
Largest Piracy Site? How come i didnt hear about it?  :lol:

The difference is that Google stores your data and sends it to the US government.


I'm from Eastern Europe, so they can shove their information up the places they stick their fingers in  :)
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Gandalf on August 08, 2012, 10:51:58 am
Largest Piracy Site? How come i didnt hear about it?  :lol:

I'm from Eastern Europe, so they can shove their information up the places they stick their fingers in  :)
Your country is part of the EU, where the large corporations who control copyright are lobbying strongly to get control over internet. Do not think you will be excused for being a poor East-European....
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2012, 10:56:18 am
Your country is part of the EU, where the large corporations who control copyright are lobbying strongly to get control over internet. Do not think you will be excused for being a poor East-European....

Are you kidding me? The EU is considered Italy, Germany, UK and some other countries, no-one really gives a damn about Lithuania. Here, we can pirate stuff as much as we want and no-one will give a damn. You can even go to the market and buy counterfeit games if you want..
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Jaga848 on August 08, 2012, 11:02:01 am
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Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Radagast on August 08, 2012, 11:14:12 am
Are you kidding me? The EU is considered Italy, Germany, UK and some other countries, no-one really gives a damn about Lithuania.

Just joined to emmigrate for plumbing work and fruit picking then... :roll:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2012, 11:24:30 am
Just joined to emmigrate for plumbing work and fruit picking then... :roll:

Lmao. Lithuanians can hardly get jobs, so i cant imagine you getting one  :lol:.

You dont want to come here, believe me, we're full of shit
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: stormeus on August 08, 2012, 11:30:23 am
believe me, we're full of shit

Why do you think Janek wants to emigrate for the plumbing work? :rofl:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2012, 11:34:18 am
Why do you think Janek wants to emigrate for the plumbing work? :rofl:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Radagast on August 08, 2012, 11:35:03 am
Lmao. Lithuanians can hardly get jobs, so i cant imagine you getting one  :lol:.

Read it again...

[Lithuania] just joined to [allow Lithuanians to] emmigrate for plumbing work and fruit picking then...[?] :roll:

You dont want to come here, believe me, we're full of shit

I liked Lithuania when I visited. Was easy for me: since most of Vilnius is Polish anyway, I didn't have to learn Lithuanian.

Post Merge: August 08, 2012, 11:35:49 am
But I hope Turkey doesn't get in. Imagine the kebab situation now, but multiplied 1000000 times when the EU floodgates open...
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Huntsman on August 08, 2012, 11:36:54 am
Read it again...

I liked Lithuania when I visited. Was easy for me: since most of Vilnius is Polish anyway, I didn't have to learn Lithuanian.

Post Merge: August 08, 2012, 11:35:49 am
But I hope Turkey doesn't get in. Imagine the kebab situation now, but multiplied 1000000 times when the EU floodgates open...

Damn, misunderstood you

In any case. Vilnius is not polish, it only has many polish people in there due to the Polish occupation of Vilnius/Wilno during ww1.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Radagast on August 08, 2012, 11:42:53 am
I didn't say it was Polish... I said it has lots of Poles there "since most of Vilnius is Polish"
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Dolfagr on August 08, 2012, 01:49:23 pm
Time to emigrate to Sweden, anyone?  :D
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Teddy on August 08, 2012, 04:50:05 pm
Time to emigrate to Sweden, anyone?  :D

Possibly, I'm just waiting for my notice of copyright infringement from my ISP as I'm sure that is soon to happen out of all of this cause I'm more that certain that all that data seized was less than spread around to respective copyright holders, and the chain succeeds down that... which my internet is already red-flagged for multiple warnings on TPB, so if I get one more my ISP terminates my internet :( Luckly, I only browsed the site using my internet, then switched to another for the actual DL, so I might be ok  :D

This is done, normally, by companies who own copyrighted content sitting on a tracker and viewing "peers", getting IPs and running host-names, then contacting the ISP with the proof of piracy, ISP then checks their system, sees its true... has a heart attack then sends you a lovely email THAT DOESN'T EVEN SAY PLEASE.

On the short of the topic,
Then they should start trying to shut down Google too. Look for any music album or film with "rapidshare" or "blogspot" or whatever at the end on Google and you will get dozens of results pointing to pirated content.

He says that they are "trying" to, meaning it isn't really work due to this. In addition, there is a process to get shit blocked of Google if it hosts piracy, including their service of blogspot, and youtube. Bing, Yahoo, and various other search engines are also compliant with DMCA Takedown Notices, or "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". This meaning, that they would not be affected. Sites like the piratebay when sent a DMCA Takedown as you may see from some examples on their site don't exactly come close to complying with the notice. Instead they rely with some hilarious mocking email that basically tells them to go f*ck themselves.

The difference is that Google stores your data and sends it to the US government.

#damnstraight

How else would politicians know what good porn sites to use? American Google Search Histories.

In all serious, the main difference is as I explained above.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Leon. on August 09, 2012, 02:22:12 am
fuck
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: stormeus on August 09, 2012, 06:01:31 am
Sites like the piratebay when sent a DMCA Takedown as you may see from some examples on their site don't exactly come close to complying with the notice. Instead they rely with some hilarious mocking email that basically tells them to go f*ck themselves.

Mocking and unprofessional, yes, but also hilarious. The DMCA, an American law, doesn't apply to Sweden, meanwhile the FBI and the DOJ believe that American law applies to places that... (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120731/03573919890/us-has-ignored-new-zealand-court-order-to-return-data-it-seized-megaupload.shtml) *gasp*... aren't part of America!
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Teddy on August 09, 2012, 06:42:11 am
Mocking and unprofessional, yes, but also hilarious. The DMCA, an American law, doesn't apply to Sweden, meanwhile the FBI and the DOJ believe that American law applies to places that... (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120731/03573919890/us-has-ignored-new-zealand-court-order-to-return-data-it-seized-megaupload.shtml) *gasp*... aren't part of America!

While its true DCMA is part of the United States, many of these 'products' are not just protected by American copyrights, but international copyrights. Also, Google headquarters is located in the United States, thus legally has to respond and act on DCMA takedowns, regardless of the location of the server.

While another thing is true but not really related, there are federal agents in over 100 other countries, and are recognized as a law enforcement agent there as well, yet can't actually enforce laws its more for domestic cooperation. They are called Attachés.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2012, 06:38:27 pm
Mocking and unprofessional, yes, but also hilarious. The DMCA, an American law, doesn't apply to Sweden, meanwhile the FBI and the DOJ believe that American law applies to places that... (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120731/03573919890/us-has-ignored-new-zealand-court-order-to-return-data-it-seized-megaupload.shtml) *gasp*... aren't part of America!
This happens more and more often, as at times American and FBI agents have helped in what was considered kidnapping by local law. The disdain they have for other countries is incredible.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: supermanmk on August 09, 2012, 06:44:20 pm
Are you kidding me? The EU is considered Italy, Germany, UK and some other countries, no-one really gives a damn about Lithuania. Here, we can pirate stuff as much as we want and no-one will give a damn. You can even go to the market and buy counterfeit games if you want..

Same situation here :D Shops in malls sell counterfeit games.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Gandalf on August 09, 2012, 07:48:32 pm
Same situation here :D Shops in malls sell counterfeit games.
And they do here as well... only less obvious.  :razz:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Teddy on August 09, 2012, 08:42:23 pm
This happens more and more often, as at times American and FBI agents have helped in what was considered kidnapping by local law. The disdain they have for other countries is incredible.

But they remain protected by Diplomatic Immunity ;) They can't face charges, only removal from the country, aka deported.
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: JDC on August 11, 2012, 02:31:42 pm
Same situation here :D Shops in malls sell counterfeit games.

Downtown in my city, you cannot walk one block without finding at least one shop that cells pirated games. Now I'd like to see the US DOJ tackle THAT. :rules:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Ehks on August 14, 2012, 09:32:31 pm
Downtown in my city, you cannot walk one block without finding at least one shop that cells pirated games. Now I'd like to see the US DOJ tackle THAT. :rules:

Same here dawg, the president himself buys these shit for his children where I live. Well mostly because CS 1.6 still costs 100$+ to buy (original)...
Steam ftw...
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Dolfagr on August 15, 2012, 12:16:40 pm
you are a pirate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs#)

 :razz:
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: Hidduh on August 15, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
Darth Vader NO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)
Title: Re: Demonoid, one of the largest piracy sites taken down.
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 15, 2012, 04:32:02 pm
you are a pirate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs#)
:razz:
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