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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Reece on August 10, 2012, 07:39:11 pm
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The UK on Friday approved an extra £5m to fund supplies for Syria’s rebel fighters, in another sign of growing western involvement with the insurgency to topple Bashar al-Assad, the president.
The decision came as the UN and the Arab League were considering nominating Lakhdar Brahimi, the former Algerian foreign minister and international troubleshooter, to replace Kofi Annan, who resigned last week as envoy to Syria following the failure of his peace plan.
Diplomats said Mr Brahimi was one of the candidates under consideration. But sources close to Mr Brahimi said it was not clear whether he was willing to take on a job that has been seen as an impossible mission, particularly without any sign of greater international unity.
The UN Security Council has been paralysed by divisions between western states supportive of the Syrian opposition, and Russia and China, which have blocked attempts to remove Mr Assad from power.
Mr Brahimi has served as UN special envoy to Iraq and Afghanistan. Working on behalf of the Arab League, he played an instrumental role in brokering the 1989 Taif agreement that ended Lebanon’s civil war.
In London, William Hague, the UK foreign secretary, insisted Britain still wanted a diplomatic solution to the conflict in Syria even as he approved funds for the rebels in an action that was being co-ordinated with other western nations.
Until now Britain had only provided £1.4m in so-called “non-lethal support†for opposition groups. The funding announced on Friday will include medical supplies such as surgical equipment and medicines, water purification, forensic kit and body armour for civilians involved in protecting others.
Other support for rebel groups, including the Free Syrian Army, will include more radio and satellite equipment as well as portable power generators. Money will also be spent on countering the techniques being used by the Syrian government to jam and block communications.
Meanwhile, the US imposed new sanctions on Hizbollah, the Shia Muslim militant group, which it said had been providing “training, advice and extensive logistical support†to the Syrian authorities. The administration of Barack Obama, US president, also imposed new sanctions on the Syrian state-owned oil company Sytrol, which it said had been selling gasoline to Iran in contravention of sanctions on Iran’s energy sector.
The impact of the new measures is likely to be limited, however, given the existing US sanctions that are in place. Hizbollah has already been designated as a terrorist organisation under two separate US executive orders.
Syria’s rebels have been voicing increased criticism of the western nations which have called repeatedly for Mr Assad’s departure but have ruled out any military intervention.
The FSA, however, has been receiving funds and weapons from Saudi Arabia and Qatar and logistical support from Turkey.
The US has been inching closer to greater involvement with the FSA with the White House allowing US intelligence agencies to share information about troop movements with some of the groups. A Syria lobby group in the US has also been granted a Treasury department licence to raise funds to support the FSA.
Analysts, however, say that western states’ gradual but still-limited involvement helps sustain the rebels but does not provide them with sufficient strength to defeat the regime.
On Friday, Mr Assad’s forces continued to pound rebel positions in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city, from the ground and air, after retaking control of the Salaheddine district, one of the main opposition strongholds. Rebels said on Thursday that they were forced to retreat from Salaheddine with some complaining that they were running out of ammunition.
News agencies reported on Friday that in parts of the country activists held protests demanding that the rebels be provided with anti-aircraft guns.
The US state department, however, insisted the rebels were continuing to gain ground. “We think the rebels are getting stronger,†Patrick Ventrell, a department spokesman, told reporters in Washington, according to the Associated Press. “So they may tactically retreat from neighbourhoods here or there, but the broader trend line is that the opposition continues to gain strength as they hold large swaths of territory in the north.â€ÂÂ
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>Gives away weapons to Rebels.
>Yells at Russia sending arms to Syria government.
>Russia brings in warship.
Surely the West want something badly by sending millions of money...
My heart goes to those innocent people who have joined the rebellion as they do not know about those who started it.
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Well its obvious now that this is just a repeat of Libya.
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>Gives away weapons to Rebels.
>Yells at Russia sending arms to Syria government.
>Russia brings in warship.
Surely the West want something badly by sending millions of money...
My heart goes to those innocent people who have joined the rebellion as they do not know about those who started it.
Care to read. The funds are for telecommunication and medical supplies. If there was profit from the Syria as much as in Libya then they'd send weapons. Qatar and S.Arabia have been sending weapons only, as far as it's known.
Who started it? Simple citizens asking for political reforms by the regime that's been there 46 years, in forms of protesting. They got beat up, shot down, tired of that shit then decided to take up arms which is obvious that'd happen. Plus the last time they did an attempted rebellion 40.000 of them got killed by the President's father.
However the involvement of Al Qaeda and other Islamic groups does give the rebellion a bad image.
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Care to read. The funds are for telecommunication and medical supplies. If there was profit from the Syria as much as in Libya then they'd send weapons. Qatar and S.Arabia have been sending weapons only, as far as it's known.
Of course... medical and telecommunication...
Who started it? Simple citizens asking for political reforms by the regime that's been there 46 years, in forms of protesting. They got beat up, shot down, tired of that shit then decided to take up arms which is obvious that'd happen. Plus the last time they did an attempted rebellion 40.000 of them got killed by the President's father.
However the involvement of Al Qaeda and other Islamic groups does give the rebellion a bad image
Yea.... A caliphate is needed and it will not be soon. Saudi and Qatar kings? Don't even ask about them as i heard enough from the people as well as seen enough of what they do.
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Of course... medical and telecommunication...
Yea.... A caliphate is needed and it will not be soon. Saudi and Qatar kings? Don't even ask about them as i heard enough from the people as well as seen enough of what they do.
Yes because with 5 million pounds you can buy shitloads of missiles and anti-aircraft weapons from a market in Turkey. Plus you do not have any evidence to support these facts that West has been supplying weapons.
As for the Saudis and Qatari Kings, I am well aware of themselves oppressing their citizens rights. They get involved a lot in shit they shouldn't trying to take advantage. But they're the only ones who attempt to help, so you of course expect the rebels to see hope in them and be seduced. not that it's justified.
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Yes because with 5 million pounds you can buy shitloads of missiles and anti-aircraft weapons from a market in Turkey. Plus you do not have any evidence to support these facts that West has been supplying weapons.
No, i don't have evidence of the nations of West handing out weapons, but the weapons the rebels have is enough to convince me of who might have. :)
As for the Saudis and Qatari Kings, I am well aware of themselves oppressing their citizens rights. They get involved a lot in shit they shouldn't trying to take advantage. But they're the only ones who attempt to help, so you of course expect the rebels to see hope in them and be seduced. not that it's justified.
They are corrupt, that all i can say for now.
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No, i don't have evidence of the nations of West handing out weapons, but the weapons the rebels have is enough to convince me of who might have. :)
They are corrupt, that all i can say for now.
They mostly use Russian and Chinese weapons, if you're talking about FAL's and such rifles, these were sent by the Libyan Rebels who received the weapons from the West.
Not corrupt in a way, but illegitimate.
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Not corrupt in a way, but illegitimate.
I wasn't only stating their role at the Syria war, but yes, you could say that.
They mostly use Russian and Chinese weapons, if you're talking about FAL's and such rifles, these were sent by the Libyan Rebels who received the weapons from the West.
Perhaps so or not.
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Care to read. The funds are for telecommunication and medical supplies.
HAHAHAHAHA
Seriously? You believe this bullshit? How naive can one be?
Not to sound disrespectful or offending, but you're being blatantly wrong, can't you see this is a cover up funding.
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Yes because with 5 million pounds you can buy shitloads of missiles and anti-aircraft weapons from a market in Turkey.
Missiles? Do you understand how rebellion works? It's not an all-out scale war out there.
Anti-aircraft weapons? Anti-Air STRELA does not cost that much. Last time I heard it was nearly 20,000$. With 5 million dollars you can get a fuckload of AK-47's, Dragunov's, Glocks, UZIs, RPGs, Grenades and additional ammunition, and with that you can get more than enough anti-air ontops. You might even get some light armored vehicles.
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HAHAHAHAHA
Seriously? You believe this bullshit? How naive can one be?
Not to sound disrespectful or offending, but you're being blatantly wrong, can't you see this is a cover up funding.
And your accusations are still evidence-less, and until you show me something reliable I'll stick to my theory whilst there is more than enough evidence Russia supplies the regime with SAM, and Mi assault helicopters. Now go watch RT, it's as reliable as CNN. :rofl:
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And your accusations are still evidence-less, and until you show me something reliable I'll stick to my theory whilst there is more than enough evidence Russia supplies the regime with SAM, and Mi assault helicopters. Now go watch RT, it's as reliable as CNN. :rofl:
Still haven't seen evidence to religion yet people blindly follow it. Same can apply here, but holy shit its so f**king common sense. Or you are one of those who really thinks that Putin's wealth yearly is $433,000?
Funny last thing, you haven't posted a source yourself.
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Still haven't seen evidence to religion yet people blindly follow it
A friendly advise to Dolfagr, avoid arguing with this person as he is not worth it.
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A friendly advise to Dolfagr, avoid arguing with this person as he is not worth it.
I am not arguing, but I enjoy discussing with other people in regards of politics, yet thanks for the advice :)
Still haven't seen evidence to religion yet people blindly follow it.
No religion discussion. I may be open to politics, but not more as it's disallowed.
Funny last thing, you haven't posted a source yourself.
I don't see how it's funny, maybe you chuckled a bit, but yeah sure http://rt.com/politics/russia-syria-arms-farnborough-933/
And that's an official Russian source signed by Russian officials :rofl:
Or you are one of those who really thinks that Putin's wealth yearly is $433,000?
Implying Putin has only legal income then yes :lol:
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lets just wait watch, few years later those weapons will be armed at the UK for being too western, seriously our government needs to pull its fucking thumb out.
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lets just wait watch, few years later those weapons will be armed at the UK for being too western, seriously our government needs to pull its f**king thumb out.
Even if you supply them with arms which I doubt, you imply that they will shoot a rifle or an anti tank missile from Middle East all the way to UK for being "too western"?
Unless you decide to interfere too MUCH, these actions would not be justified. :trust:
Plus the rebels citizens, army defectors and foreign Islamist groups integrated into the FSA are fighting Iranians and Hezzbollah already, so you not need to worry about not having an ally in the area when you execute the Irani invasion :razz:
inb4 next UK & US base in Syria
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I don't see how it's funny, maybe you chuckled a bit, but yeah sure http://rt.com/politics/russia-syria-arms-farnborough-933/
And that's an official Russian source signed by Russian officials :rofl:
I was asking about source for the article about UK sending money. How come you failed to understand such primitive thing?
A friendly advise to Dolfagr, avoid arguing with this person as he is not worth it.
you are one sad onion.
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And your accusations are still evidence-less, and until you show me something reliable I'll stick to my theory whilst there is more than enough evidence Russia supplies the regime with SAM, and Mi assault helicopters. Now go watch RT, it's as reliable as CNN. :rofl:
Actually RT is the Russian counterpart of Fox News.
For CNN they have other channels.
As for the situation, the same people sending money now started the protests.
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I don't see how it's funny, maybe you chuckled a bit, but yeah sure http://rt.com/politics/russia-syria-arms-farnborough-933/ (http://rt.com/politics/russia-syria-arms-farnborough-933/)
And that's an official Russian source signed by Russian officials :rofl:
Cool story bro.
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As much as I acknowledge the presence of questionable forces and agendas in this whole affair, I believe Assad's regime must be brought down.
The Syrian government is no longer a legitimate government, but a political machine that operates for Assad's personal benefit.
During a recent regional debate championship (British Parliamentary system) in our city, the motion discussed in the Octofinals was "THW (this house would) put a bounty on Assad's head". Thoughts?
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Actually RT is the Russian counterpart of Fox News.
For CNN they have other channels.
As for the situation, the same people sending money now started the protests.
I see, thanks.
So in your opinion, simple protesters were agents hired by CIA / MOSSAD..? I don't get it, or were they inciting the riots in other methods in your opinion.
What's the profit about Syria anyway, what's in it so badly that the West wants, not oil as I know, maybe Iran, Russia or Israel, or multi-million international bankers / companies?
If you still support the regime, just because Russia has interests in there, then I wouldn't blame you, but it's a clear case of a minority rule over majority of people, you expect one day for them to riot.
The Syrian government is no longer a legitimate government, but a political machine that operates for Assad's personal benefit.
Considering when the current president's father died, his son had to be 40 year old whilst he was 34 to be elected as president, within 24 hours, a new law was made that allowed 34 year olds candidates (his age) him to be apointed as president then yes.
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I see, thanks.
So in your opinion, simple protesters were agents hired by CIA / MOSSAD..? I don't get it, or were they inciting the riots in other methods in your opinion.
What's the profit about Syria anyway, what's in it so badly that the West wants, not oil as I know, maybe Iran, Russia or Israel, or multi-million international bankers / companies?
If you still support the regime, just because Russia has interests in there, then I wouldn't blame you, but it's a clear case of a minority rule over majority of people, you expect one day for them to riot.
Considering when the current president's father died, his son had to be 40 year old whilst he was 34 to be elected as president, within 24 hours, a new law was made that allowed 34 year olds candidates (his age) him to be apointed as president then yes.
If you pay people to riot and film the police, you can create an impression of bloodshed that is false.
Remember the riots started at the same time they started in other nations where a change of regimes was desired.
Question is, why would nobody riot in Saudi-Arabia which has a worse type of government.
I do not support any regime. But what is more, I do not support people trying to remove a regime by illegitimate means. If there would be so little support for his regime within Syria, people could find many ways to remove him without huge financial backing.
Turkey has for a very long time wanted to take the current regime off the map. The efforts are a compensation for Turkey allowing Kurdistan to form and lowering their interference with Israel.
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So in your opinion, simple protesters were agents hired by CIA / MOSSAD..? I don't get it, or were they inciting the riots in other methods in your opinion.
It may be certainly true, see Gandalf's point about riots starting all at once.
What's the profit about Syria anyway, what's in it so badly that the West wants, not oil as I know, maybe Iran, Russia or Israel, or multi-million international bankers / companies?
It's one of the regions where Russia has support.
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lets just wait watch, few years later those weapons will be armed at the UK for being too western, seriously our government needs to pull its f**king thumb out.
They haven't sent weapons....only telecommunication software and mobiles. I think it's the right thing to do it should boost our foreign affairs. But it does question what's Hague trying to do? He's been tipped as a possible new leader of the Conservative party, I think he's trying to boost his image here and abroad.
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The whole thing is complicated, but one thing is sure, civilians are caught in the middle and the regime is using more harsh ways to exterminate them, not that I deny executions by "Rebels". We'll see what happens as time goes by, hopefully not a new Bosnia or Iraq.
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I do not support any regime.
Didn't know you were anarchist.
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Dolfa I was referring to what happened in Afghanistan, which will probably happen again. Just another thing for people to consider we're in a recession so why the fuck are we throwing cash out to other countries? You might consider that a selfish thing to say but with police and NHS cuts I think I am justified.
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UK never had any good relations with Middle East countries, so that's why they're trying to build good relations with the new authorities when the current regime falls by paying them $$
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"initiated in 1979 a campaign supporting mujaheddin in Pakistan and Afghanistan, which was run by Pakistani security services with financial support from the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain's MI6"
You stand corrected.
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being a rebel is payed of in these days, now that's my next job. :skull:
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The whole thing is complicated, but one thing is sure, civilians are caught in the middle and the regime is using more harsh ways to exterminate them, not that I deny executions by "Rebels". We'll see what happens as time goes by, hopefully not a new Bosnia or Iraq.
If hooligans are destroying the property of civilans, is it not allowed to use a bit harder measure that "gentlemen please cease this activity". ?
By the weapons funding the terrorists are able to turn it in to a civil war, and in a civil war civilians die.
The blame is on those who started the civil war, not those who are trying to stop it.
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Dolfa I was referring to what happened in Afghanistan, which will probably happen again. Just another thing for people to consider we're in a recession so why the f**k are we throwing cash out to other countries? You might consider that a selfish thing to say but with police and NHS cuts I think I am justified.
You're right. With all the cuts we are experiencing at the moment to everything, you'd wonder why that we are spending money on others. Every government department gets a certain pot of money and then they decide how to spent that. It seems that the foreign affairs pot just hasn't been used yet and they thought this was the right time to use it.
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Syria crisis: Rebels 'shoot down warplane'
A fighter jet has crashed in eastern Syria owing to "technical problems", according to state media.
The rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) say they shot a military aircraft down in the same area.
Experts who examined footage from the FSA of the downed plane say its camouflage and markings are consistent with those of a Syrian air force plane.
The pilot ejected and a search is now under way to find him, according to state media.
The plane had been on a "routine training mission", according to state-run news agency Sana.
The FSA says that it has captured one of the two-man crew, but has given no evidence of this.
The aircraft was shot down near the town of al-Muhassan, around 120km (75miles) from the Iraqi border, according to the rebels.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19246708 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19246708)
See where your funding went?
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See where your funding went?
The FSA will shoot down Assad's planes, funding or no funding.
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lets just wait watch, few years later those weapons will be armed at the UK for being too western, seriously our government needs to pull its f**king thumb out.
Your Russian but you keep slagging the British government off as if you were really British..
They sent 5million for communications and medical supplies, as even BBC News said, and how can you say they will aim their small arms (compared to most military guns these days) at Britain which is a small but powerful country basiclly in the middle of a small ocean?
The British government has flaws, but I respect them and you should too, after all they are the ones keeping you safe, protecting your human rights and keeping the country running smoothly, get rid of the government and what do you get? An unbalanced and out of control country such as Syria.
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Your Russian but you keep slagging the British government off as if you were really British..
They sent 5million for communications and medical supplies, as even BBC News said, and how can you say they will aim their small arms (compared to most military guns these days) at Britain which is a small but powerful country basiclly in the middle of a small ocean?
The British government has flaws, but I respect them and you should too, after all they are the ones keeping you safe, protecting your human rights and keeping the country running smoothly, get rid of the government and what do you get? An unbalanced and out of control country such as Syria.
Actually I was born in Russia, I have spent most of my teen years and all of my adult life in the United Kingdom not to mention my British citizenship... Moving on my point is that I'm pretty sure its against international law for another country to participate in one countries civil war unless there are signs of genocide only then can another country get involved. Again with this.. You obviously did not read this. Dolfa I was referring to what happened in Afghanistan, which will probably happen again. Just another thing for people to consider we're in a recession so why the f**k are we throwing cash out to other countries? You might consider that a selfish thing to say but with police and NHS cuts I think I am justified.
The last part of your response makes me laugh, keeping me safe? I was attacked on a regular basis during working as a front line paramedic. Protecting my human rights? I can do that myself thanks. Keeping the country running smoothy? We're in an economic crisis, cuts are being made on the emergency services and education systems so we can keep fighting pointless wars in countries far from our own. Without a government the country would fall into anarchy and would eventually be bought out by companies.
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Nathan, in that case there are already signs of genocide by using diaspora bombs on civilian populated areas and other means of warfare which should be used to strike an enemy, not their own civilians. It's just the ignorance of the Western countries that do not intervene because there is no oil to take unlike Libya.
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I dont see why everyone is so jittery, Rebellions are in a scene an excuse to fund a proxy war with almost no true military costs, Hell that has been European doctrine for a very long time this is nothing new to anyone and if it is you just dont know world history. So before we point fingers at this nation and that nation ask not what they are funding ask WHY and what benefits does this nation get. In my opinion the US and UK are funding a anti syrian ressitance because 1. The people want a new government. 2. They can be seen as "Agents of Democracy" and ego boot is always nice. 3.Its helpful to there only ally in the area Israel, because lets face it Egypt is admits turmoil and in a transitional state, if Syria goes down and Israel gets to sway there hands that both of there major enemy's quelled, Next on the map Jordan. 4. Arab Support, Left face it Both nations are not very liked in this part of the world however that could possably change if your willing to aid the people and get access to that Texas Tea that the world just wants so much of right now.
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Nathan, in that case there are already signs of genocide by using diaspora bombs on civilian populated areas and other means of warfare which should be used to strike an enemy, not their own civilians. It's just the ignorance of the Western countries that do not intervene because there is no oil to take unlike Libya.
You said it yourself - they do not need to intervene into Syria because all other interventions were because of oil. If not oil, nothing would've come there.
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You said it yourself - they do not need to intervene into Syria because all other interventions were because of oil. If not oil, nothing would've come there.
No what I said is that they SHOULD intervene because of the crimes against humanity commited by BOTH sides, but they DO NOT INTERVENE, because there is no profit.
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Didn't they have UN observers for that?
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No what I said is that they SHOULD intervene because of the crimes against humanity commited by BOTH sides, but they DO NOT INTERVENE, because there is no profit.
...but that's exactly the point you said - you said they do not intervene because no oil, and that's the point.
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Didn't they have UN observers for that?
Yes however Russia and China are vetoing all resolutions.
...but that's exactly the point you said - you said they do not intervene because no oil, and that's the point.
Correct.
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Yes however Russia and China are vetoing all resolutions.
Correct.
Yes and as stated before the only nation that actually benefits from this is Israel as its one less neighbor that wants to invade them. Also Russia loves to supply arms to 3rd world nations and rebellions, why would they want to stop there profits now? Also as stated in my last post the Western world can just give aid to the Syrian Rebels and they will be treated in return with thanks, and a good name in that part of the world where China and Russia and arm the rebels and no one will stop either nation nor wants to. SO unless the Syrian Government can find some friends with benefits I can only foresee them holding on to what power they can until the mass population overruns the government and once heads of state and people in power start getting publicly executed by armed mobs the government officials flee and the UN gives them asylum somewhere. Thats about all the UN will be able to do, maybe some humanity aid but certainly not a military intervention. Like in other African nations.