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Reply #30 on: August 13, 2012, 12:11:04 pm
The whole thing is complicated, but one thing is sure, civilians are caught in the middle and the regime is using more harsh ways to exterminate them, not that I deny executions by "Rebels". We'll see what happens as time goes by, hopefully not a new Bosnia or Iraq.
If hooligans are destroying the property of civilans, is it not allowed to use a bit harder measure that "gentlemen please cease this activity". ?
By the weapons funding the terrorists are able to turn it in to a civil war, and in a civil war civilians die.
The blame is on those who started the civil war, not those who are trying to stop it.

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Reply #31 on: August 13, 2012, 01:18:15 pm
Dolfa I was referring to what happened in Afghanistan, which will probably happen again. Just another thing for people to consider we're in a recession so why the f**k are we throwing cash out to other countries? You might consider that a selfish thing to say but with police and NHS cuts I think I am justified.
You're right. With all the cuts we are experiencing at the moment to everything, you'd wonder why that we are spending money on others. Every government department gets a certain pot of money and then they decide how to spent that. It seems that the foreign affairs pot just hasn't been used yet and they thought this was the right time to use it.



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Reply #32 on: August 15, 2012, 12:51:13 am
Syria crisis: Rebels 'shoot down warplane'

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A fighter jet has crashed in eastern Syria owing to "technical problems", according to state media.

The rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) say they shot a military aircraft down in the same area.

Experts who examined footage from the FSA of the downed plane say its camouflage and markings are consistent with those of a Syrian air force plane.

The pilot ejected and a search is now under way to find him, according to state media.

The plane had been on a "routine training mission", according to state-run news agency Sana.

The FSA says that it has captured one of the two-man crew, but has given no evidence of this.

The aircraft was shot down near the town of al-Muhassan, around 120km (75miles) from the Iraqi border, according to the rebels.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19246708

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Reply #33 on: August 15, 2012, 01:07:48 am
See where your funding went?
The FSA will shoot down Assad's planes, funding or no funding.

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Reply #34 on: August 18, 2012, 09:22:13 pm
lets just wait watch, few years later those weapons will be armed at the UK for being too western, seriously our government needs to pull its f**king thumb out.
Your Russian but you keep slagging the British government off as if you were really British..
They sent 5million for communications and medical supplies, as even BBC News said, and how can you say they will aim their small arms (compared to most military guns these days) at Britain which is a small but powerful country basiclly in the middle of a small ocean?

The British government has flaws, but I respect them and you should too, after all they are the ones keeping you safe, protecting your human rights and keeping the country running smoothly, get rid of the government and what do you get? An unbalanced and out of control country such as Syria.

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Reply #35 on: August 18, 2012, 11:56:37 pm
Your Russian but you keep slagging the British government off as if you were really British..
They sent 5million for communications and medical supplies, as even BBC News said, and how can you say they will aim their small arms (compared to most military guns these days) at Britain which is a small but powerful country basiclly in the middle of a small ocean?

The British government has flaws, but I respect them and you should too, after all they are the ones keeping you safe, protecting your human rights and keeping the country running smoothly, get rid of the government and what do you get? An unbalanced and out of control country such as Syria.

Actually I was born in Russia, I have spent most of my teen years and all of my adult life in the United Kingdom not to mention my British citizenship... Moving on my point is that I'm pretty sure its against international law for another country to participate in one countries civil war unless there are signs of genocide only then can another country get involved. Again with this.. You obviously did not read this.
Dolfa I was referring to what happened in Afghanistan, which will probably happen again. Just another thing for people to consider we're in a recession so why the f**k are we throwing cash out to other countries? You might consider that a selfish thing to say but with police and NHS cuts I think I am justified.

The last part of your response makes me laugh, keeping me safe? I was attacked on a regular basis during working as a front line paramedic. Protecting my human rights? I can do that myself thanks. Keeping the country running smoothy? We're in an economic crisis, cuts are being made on the emergency services and education systems so we can keep fighting pointless wars in countries far from our own. Without a government the country would fall into anarchy and would eventually be bought out by companies.



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Reply #36 on: August 19, 2012, 12:10:01 am
Nathan, in that case there are already signs of genocide by using diaspora bombs on civilian populated areas and other means of warfare which should be used to strike an enemy, not their own civilians. It's just the ignorance of the Western countries that do not intervene because there is no oil to take unlike Libya.





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Reply #37 on: August 19, 2012, 09:38:28 am
I dont see why everyone is so jittery, Rebellions are in a scene an excuse to fund a proxy war with almost no true military costs, Hell that has been European doctrine for a very long time this is nothing new to anyone and if it is you just dont know world history. So before we point fingers at this nation and that nation ask not what they are funding ask WHY and what benefits does this nation get. In my opinion the US and UK are funding a anti syrian ressitance because 1. The people want a new government. 2. They can be seen as "Agents of Democracy" and ego boot is always nice. 3.Its helpful to there only ally in the area Israel, because lets face it Egypt is admits turmoil and in a transitional state, if Syria goes down and Israel gets to sway there hands that both of there major enemy's quelled, Next on the map Jordan. 4. Arab Support, Left face it Both nations are not very liked in this part of the world however that could possably change if your willing to aid the people and get access to that Texas Tea that the world just wants so much of right now.




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Reply #38 on: August 19, 2012, 09:54:31 am
Nathan, in that case there are already signs of genocide by using diaspora bombs on civilian populated areas and other means of warfare which should be used to strike an enemy, not their own civilians. It's just the ignorance of the Western countries that do not intervene because there is no oil to take unlike Libya.
You said it yourself - they do not need to intervene into Syria because all other interventions were because of oil. If not oil, nothing would've come there.

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Reply #39 on: August 19, 2012, 07:17:09 pm
You said it yourself - they do not need to intervene into Syria because all other interventions were because of oil. If not oil, nothing would've come there.

No what I said is that they SHOULD intervene because of the crimes against humanity commited by BOTH sides, but they DO NOT INTERVENE, because there is no profit.



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Reply #40 on: August 19, 2012, 08:18:45 pm
Didn't they have UN observers for that?



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Reply #41 on: August 19, 2012, 08:29:32 pm
No what I said is that they SHOULD intervene because of the crimes against humanity commited by BOTH sides, but they DO NOT INTERVENE, because there is no profit.

...but that's exactly the point you said - you said they do not intervene because no oil, and that's the point.

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Reply #42 on: August 20, 2012, 12:42:00 am
Didn't they have UN observers for that?

Yes however Russia and China are vetoing all resolutions.

...but that's exactly the point you said - you said they do not intervene because no oil, and that's the point.

Correct.



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Reply #43 on: August 20, 2012, 09:10:09 am
Yes however Russia and China are vetoing all resolutions.

Correct.

Yes and as stated before the only nation that actually benefits from this is Israel as its one less neighbor that wants to invade them. Also Russia loves to supply arms to 3rd world nations and rebellions, why would they want to stop there profits now? Also as stated in my last post the Western world can just give aid to the Syrian Rebels and they will be treated in return with thanks, and a good name in that part of the world where China and Russia and arm the rebels and no one will stop either nation nor wants to. SO unless the Syrian Government can find some friends with benefits I can only foresee them holding on to what power they can until the mass population overruns the government and once heads of state and people in power start getting publicly executed by armed mobs the government officials flee and the UN gives them asylum somewhere. Thats about all the UN will be able to do, maybe some humanity aid but certainly not a military intervention. Like in other African nations.



 


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