http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying)Someone had to say it.
"Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "target"."
http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html (http://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/index.html)
"An Imbalance of Power: Kids who bully use their powerâ€â€Âsuch as physical strength, access to embarrassing information, or popularityâ€â€Âto control or harm others."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bullying (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bullying)
"A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people."
"To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner."
"To force one's way aggressively or by intimidation."
http://childparenting.about.com/od/schoollearning/g/bullying-definition.htm (http://childparenting.about.com/od/schoollearning/g/bullying-definition.htm)
"Bullying is intentional aggressive behavior. It can take the form of physical or verbal harassment and involves an imbalance of power (a group of children can gang up on a victim or someone who is physically bigger or more aggressive can intimidate someone else, for instance)."
Please, do this. I'm disgusted at the actions of some admins.go ban those admins
I'm pretty sure we're all tired of seeing 5+ admins bullying one player trying to get unbanned.
Someone had to say it.
Again only post with relevant information nothing useful or anything to do with the ban do not postThat simply isn't the case and if it's a rule it's enforced horribly bad.
Last I heard, only the administrators related to the Unban request may post, it seems people don't obey that unfortunately.This is correct, however posted information about such is not only difficult, if not impossible, to find on all the unban request boards, but the universal permissions Moderators/Administrators and above are granted allow them to physically post in all of the unban request boards, regardless of which one they are supposed to have access to post in, which complicates the confusion further.
Not to mention, for example; Only SA:MP Admins may post in SA:MP Unban Requests, Stunt Admins for example may only post in Stunt Unban Requests, not the RP servers unban requests.
Again only post with relevant information nothing useful or anything to do with the ban do not post
Topic locked for the reason of making false accusations against Administration team.
Community / SA:MP HQ will take it from here.
Looks like you missed the Lock button... :conf:No, it was unlocked.
I think this idea should be integrated on every servers unban request section, not just SAMP's.True, as an SAMP player I often forget about the other servers, haha.
Or it should just stay the same but managers/high ranked become more strict and not let admins post if they have nothing to do with it other than trying to keep him banned, like some admins do.Managers+ have a lot of things to do as is and probably doesn't want to spend time being "strict" towards people in unban requests, as such it'd be easier if a webmaster simply changed the access rights.
Very good idea indeed. Only banning admin should partake in the appeal, and only if requested for confirmation. Managers can also view punishment records, so there is no need for a random Admin to post it, which can spark an argument.I have to agree with this. Managers are responsible for processing the requests anyway, and if they need information from an Administrator, or the Administrator needs to give a statement to the user, it's not hard for the Manager to just contact the Administrator in question for said info.
Lastly I believe Management is highly capable and trained in handling the Unban appeals and require no assistance, as the Adminstration's work is enforcing the rules and not handling Unban appeals.
The proposal would mean that it would be impossible for Managers and Administrators to inherit all their permissions from the same group (and for all separate groups involved to have separate set permissions), since board permissions work based on permission sets and not membergroups.Not really. Neither one of those are linked between Managers and Administrators, and secondly, board permissions don't work on permission sets...they work on board permissions themselves. They are completely separate from general permissions of membergroups, as you pointed out, but they use set board profiles. A board profile can have completely different settings for all membergroups on any given profile.
In short, this will destroy any uniform inherited permissions structure.
Supported. I don't think that moderators / administrators from other divisions (sa:mp, mta, stunt etc) should be posting around in other divisions than the one they are hired in (like, stunt mod posting in samp unban) since that is clearly just abuse.Yes, this too. It's actually already disallowed, but it's one of those commonly unwritten rules, and the permissions of the boards still physically allow it, so it becomes an issue to those who don't know or forget that it's still disallowed.
Not really. Neither one of those are linked between Managers and Administrators, and secondly, board permissions don't work on permission sets...they work on board permissions themselves. They are completely separate from general permissions of membergroups, as you pointed out, but they use set board profiles. A board profile can have completely different settings for all membergroups on any given profile.
Administrators and Managers do not use the same permission sets. Just like ARPD Forums, each servers' Administrator and Manager ranks inherit from a "permission set" created for each rank separately. For example:
__Administrator
LU Administrator
MTA:VC Administrator
VC:MP Administrator
MTA:SA Administrator
SA:MP Administrator
IV:MP Administrator
__Manager
LU Manager
MTA:VC Manager
VC:MP Manager
...And so on.
That would not conflict with this idea in any possible way, nor would it matter regardless of any Manager group actually was inheriting from a lower rank permission set as they would simply just need Board Moderator rights until the rank was promoted, which most Managers already have regardless.
I did not mean that Administrators and Managers use the same group, but that the different ranks use their own inherited membergroups (_Administrator and _Manager). Apologies for my poor phrasing.Did you even bother reading the idea?
If you will restrict LU Administrators from posting in SA:MP Unban Requests through board permissions, then SA:MP Administrators will be forbidden as well since they also inherit their permissions from _Administrator, also used by the LU membergroup.
To allow Administrators of Server A to post in board A while disallowing Administrators of Server B would mean that Server A and B administrators cannot inherit their permissions from the same group.
Please restrict the access to unban requests to managers only.
Did you even bother reading the idea?
If you will restrict Server A boards so that only Server A Managers can post in them, the same thing as I described above will happen, except replacing _Administrator with _Manager.That was not the idea posted, again, did you read the topic?
I was giving the description of how inherited permission system in SMF works, not the full rebuttal for the idea.Instead of arguing with you, I'll let you yourself do the work for me.
The proposal would mean that it would be impossible for Managers and Administrators to inherit all their permissions from the same group (and for all separate groups involved to have separate set permissions), since board permissions work based on permission sets and not membergroups.
In short, this will destroy any uniform inherited permissions structure.
The response was given due to the repeated remarks in the topic that Server A unban requests should only allow Server A staff to post.The "repeated remarks" in question was made after your post. (Also it was ONE remark, not several.)
Just stop dude...
Because the remarks in question deviated from the original proposed idea or simply because you cannot handle people opposing your idea?
The "repeated remarks" in question was made after your post. (Also it was ONE remark, not several.)
rather you are arguing for the sake of arguing.Exactly. I am not arguing to provoke, blackpaint, or destroy.