Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Toto on August 22, 2012, 11:13:46 pm
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It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...
How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...
With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...
Why is such rule actually?
Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...
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Gvardias were security on "event", Enzo was suspected for like 10 mins ago before cops came I killed Chris and this is what happend.
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inb4 someone makes up his own rules
actually inb4 they force you to report this on samp argonath email and you won't get any response just like I did
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inb4 someone makes up his own rules
actually inb4 they force you to report this on samp argonath email and you won't get any response just like I did
Actually let's bet that topic will be deleted. This makes me feel bad.
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Why do people insist on complaining about receiving no response when sending an email to [email protected] ? It's an address to send reports to, not to have discussions via.
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Why do people insist on complaining about receiving no response when sending an email to [email protected] ? It's an address to send reports to, not to have discussions via.
The reason why you are sending a report is because you expect action to be taken. If it's not public, how can you be sure your report was checked at all, how can you be sure it just wasn't deleted by some random guy and ignored?
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The point of a report is to inform higher ranked administration of an issue, they then deal with it, there's no need to go around to each person that sends in a report saying "Thank you, it was dealt with".
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Why do people insist on complaining about receiving no response when sending an email to [email protected] ? It's an address to send reports to, not to have discussions via.
This is not complain, I'm just asking how did I break rule, where's my mistake, so I can fix it in future.
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The point of a report is to inform higher ranked administration of an issue, they then deal with it, there's no need to go around to each person that sends in a report saying "Thank you, it was dealt with".
Wrong. It calms down the person who sent the report thus he won't nudge any managers he sees in-game each 30 seconds. A description of how was it handled works even better since the person feels that justice has been issued.
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This is not complain, I'm just asking how did I break rule, where's my mistake, so I can fix it in future.
I was referring to Marcell with that post.
Wrong. It calms down the person who sent the report thus he won't nudge any managers he sees in-game each 30 seconds. A description of how was it handled works even better since the person feels that justice has been issued.
Then speak to management about your thought/idea, as it is now, management deal with the reports and don't contact the person whom sent in the report.
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Gvardias were security on "event", Enzo was suspected for like 10 mins ago before cops came I killed Chris and this is what happend.
Were you wanted before killing a cop?
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Since when does 'security' gets the right to kill an officer?
If a gangster enters a club and you don't point him to the door, it is your mistake, since security provides SAFETY to the people inside, not to KEEP OUT cops from the scene.
Either way, if that is your 'view' on roleplay I should not even ask why the hell 20 people were aiming their gun at a spawn for about 30 minutes to kill every blue blip that got in?
Complain only when you were abused, not when you are banned for something you actually did, Chris was absolutely right about your tempban. You can't simply go kill cops because you guard people inside; That's the exact opposite of providing security in the first place. In the second place, I think your 'guests' didn't even need actual security since they were all well armed themselves.
Drop this discussion here, your ban was entirely valid aswell as many others that were tempbanned for a similar reason after you.
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One issue I see...you're on a military "duty" roleplaying a military job, and you just said you killed a suspect. Last I heard, that was strictly disallowed unless SA:MP SAPD Command Staff gave you permission to do so.
As for the complaint, as was said, use the email if you think you were abused by admins. Remember man, moaning only makes it look bad for you too, and I know in your posting of this that it wasn't intended. Just take a breather, send in an email, close the topic, and go watch some TV while you await the outcome. :)
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1. I entered left side stairway in no intention interrupt with Gvardia as I knew ur security as u own the bizz.
2. I proceed observe balla suspects from second floor when Enzo came from third floor apparently as suspect so he shot me. That's when I engaged on him .
3. I saw you approaching and started running around the wall giving you fair chance roleplay notify before engage.
4. While I proceed go behind a wall giving you time for roleplay,you took combat and shot me in a back as a civilian without any roleplay notify.
If you want to claim it was an well valid reason and you shouldn't have notified me,report me at email,if you opened topic for drama queen or because u were angry at certain point,then obviously topic gets locked. ok
Gvardia corporation is your HQ not Jayz club. Main fact your multiple members together doesn't automatically makes place were you are in an Gvardia HQ.
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Since when does 'security' gets the right to kill an officer?
2nd Amendment still exists :rofl:
You do realize if you are asked to leave private territory you are obliged to do it, even if you are an officer? You MUST have a warrant from higher authorities to get into private property without host's permission.
If a gangster enters a club and you don't point him to the door, it is your mistake, since security provides SAFETY to the people inside, not to KEEP OUT cops from the scene.
The problem is, it's a game. If a gangster IG gets inside a club, there's nothing much you can do other than tell him to sod off or beat him up to death for not complying, killing in the process most of the times.
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2nd Amendment still exists :rofl:
You do realize if you are asked to leave private territory you are obliged to do it, even if you are an officer? You MUST have a warrant from higher authorities to get into private property without host's permission.
Actually you don't need warrant to enter private property if : been reported there is an possible crime activity,suspects. So in no way security is able remove officers from building if it's filled up with suspects like can of sardines. And even if security dislikes officers and are willing remove them by a force they need first verbally warn about incoming threat and reason of it. Just because your in your family's property and you protect it,doesn't means automatically you can kill anyone on your way.
We haven't been verbally spoken by anyone of suspects,or civilians who assaulted us. The only talking ones were guns.
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I watched this whole event from a bystanders perspective. I tried to get involved in the RP but the cops ignored me as they were set to kill. ( check chat logs, they said it themselves. ) Normally when a person has the "opposition" on the phone, cops would jump all over that, instead you stayed aiming at the door, while one guy stood next to it holding a spray can. Someone saw me trying to get involved in the RP, so they called the cops out on it on /em and they got tempbanned for provoking...Is this what we really want here? I mean it's f.ucking pathetic how both sides act towards each other.
Chris may I ask what you were thinking going in basically on your own? You're not Rambo, you knew damn well before you entered that building you were going to get killed. I truthfully see this from Gvardias point of view, they're criminals, at their OWN club, protecting THEIR CUSTOMERS. What mafia is going to let police walk in and hurt their business? Especially some lone cop who thinks he can take on the world. When it comes down to it, criminals protect criminals and this is what Gvardia was doing, protecting their business and own personal interests.
About 5min after the ban I witnessed 2 cops TAB abuse off of Jizzy's roof, I /reported and nothing was done about it, I even had a admin say "I'm only responding to your report cause I have a crush on you.".... This I find to be outrageous and inappropriate.
Another thing, check i9's logs of their CB channel, they tried calling several officers and letting them know about demands and the situation inside, but all calls were rejected by the police, just as the police rejected my RP. I recall several people in the channel stating this...
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Gandalf if you happen to read this, remember that PM I sent you about language barriers on rules? I think this fits the description to the tee. There's a thin line of DM/Not DM here, so I guess it's really up to the admin, but an admin who just got killed, there's emotion behind it.
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2nd Amendment still exists :rofl:
You do realize if you are asked to leave private territory you are obliged to do it, even if you are an officer? You MUST have a warrant from higher authorities to get into private property without host's permission.
The problem is, it's a game. If a gangster IG gets inside a club, there's nothing much you can do other than tell him to sod off or beat him up to death for not complying, killing in the process most of the times.
Wrong.
1. Probable Cause - If the officer suspects crime maybe taking place or evidence and without a reasonable doubt believes this too be true he may enter the premisses.
2. Is a suspect inside? - If a suspect is in the property, he has the right to enter and contain that suspect. Any other crime present in his attempt to apprehend is valid evidence and can be suspected thus force.
Also, the second amendment doesn't exist in Argonath. Well it isn't called that. However, the right to bare arms means to have. Not kill someone.
Security guards are unofficial enforcement personnel, thus if they commit an act of murder or any other crime they will be investigated to the full extent of the law until proven guilty, or found innocent.
However, given the situation provided appears that this was not exactly the case. Seems a hopped up cop just wanted some attention in my view but then again I don't have the full story so it really can't be too clear.
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Explain me from the criminals point of view, what kind of role play is having 30 guys aiming at a door for 15 minutes killing everything that enters?
I was inside has a cop, I told the criminals to leave so they won't disturb the party, everything was ignored. Cops didn't shot suspects because civilians were around. So we were professional, and it ended in a TDM event. I'm waiting for moaning topics about how cops fail to role play.
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Actually you don't need warrant to enter private property if : been reported there is an possible crime activity,suspects. So in no way security is able remove officers from building if it's filled up with suspects like can of sardines. And even if security dislikes officers and are willing remove them by a force they need first verbally warn about incoming threat and reason of it. Just because your in your family's property and you protect it,doesn't means automatically you can kill anyone on your way.
We haven't been verbally spoken by anyone of suspects,or civilians who assaulted us. The only talking ones were guns.
No hard feelings, I'm not trying to judge anyone here, just saying.
Wrong.
1. Probable Cause - If the officer suspects crime maybe taking place or evidence and without a reasonable doubt believes this too be true he may enter the premisses.
2. Is a suspect inside? - If a suspect is in the property, he has the right to enter and contain that suspect. Any other crime present in his attempt to apprehend is valid evidence and can be suspected thus force.
Also, the second amendment doesn't exist in Argonath. Well it isn't called that. However, the right to bare arms means to have. Not kill someone.
Security guards are unofficial enforcement personnel, thus if they commit an act of murder or any other crime they will be investigated to the full extent of the law until proven guilty, or found innocent.
However, given the situation provided appears that this was not exactly the case. Seems a hopped up cop just wanted some attention in my view but then again I don't have the full story so it really can't be too clear.
Neither can I. I didn't actually try to prove a point, I just tried to argue with the quoted message that he's not entirely right. I did not seek to provide any insight on the situation at all, 'tis all. After all, commenting is allowed ;)
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To all toilet papers that don't even know what happens and keep protecting Chris.
Ok let's clear a thing by thing.
Since when does 'security' gets the right to kill an officer?
If a gangster enters a club and you don't point him to the door, it is your mistake, since security provides SAFETY to the people inside, not to KEEP OUT cops from the scene.
Either way, if that is your 'view' on roleplay I should not even ask why the hell 20 people were aiming their gun at a spawn for about 30 minutes to kill every blue blip that got in?
Complain only when you were abused, not when you are banned for something you actually did, Chris was absolutely right about your tempban. You can't simply go kill cops because you guard people inside; That's the exact opposite of providing security in the first place. In the second place, I think your 'guests' didn't even need actual security since they were all well armed themselves.
Drop this discussion here, your ban was entirely valid aswell as many others that were tempbanned for a similar reason after you.
Dude which gangster you're talking about ? The cops came and started attacking Enzo cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it... In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
About complain I have mentioned before read it once again:
This is not complain, I'm just asking how did I break rule, where's my mistake, so I can fix it in future.
Also I didn't guard peoples inside, I was protecting the peoples in same family with me. Not strangers.
I think your 'guests' didn't even need actual security since they were all well armed themselves.
I'M WORKING AS SECURITY OF JIZZY CLUB.
Ok done here with you.
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One issue I see...you're on a military "duty" roleplaying a military job, and you just said you killed a suspect. Last I heard, that was strictly disallowed unless SA:MP SAPD Command Staff gave you permission to do so.
As for the complaint, as was said, use the email if you think you were abused by admins. Remember man, moaning only makes it look bad for you too, and I know in your posting of this that it wasn't intended. Just take a breather, send in an email, close the topic, and go watch some TV while you await the outcome.
I'll use hooker skin and still I'll be security, problem ? I didn't killed suspect, I killed Chris, last you heard is that you failed to asskiss Chris.
As for the complaint
This is not complain, I'm just asking how did I break rule, where's my mistake, so I can fix it in future.
JUST ASKING HOW I AM SUPPOSED TO REACT IN FUTURE, SO I WON'T BEING PUNISHED AGAIN. Read the damn thing before posting like "you killed suspect" and what will happen if I kill suspect with army skin ? I'll receive copban ?
Done here with you too.
Chris now.
1. I entered left side stairway in no intention interrupt with Gvardia as I knew ur security as u own the bizz.
2. I proceed observe balla suspects from second floor when Enzo came from third floor apparently as suspect so he shot me. That's when I engaged on him .
3. I saw you approaching and started running around the wall giving you fair chance roleplay notify before engage.
4. While I proceed go behind a wall giving you time for roleplay,you took combat and shot me in a back as a civilian without any roleplay notify.
If you want to claim it was an well valid reason and you shouldn't have notified me,report me at email,if you opened topic for drama queen or because u were angry at certain point,then obviously topic gets locked. ok
Gvardia corporation is your HQ not Jayz club. Main fact your multiple members together doesn't automatically makes place were you are in an Gvardia HQ.
Which roleplay you want, it's already RPed. You cops rush inside the Jizzy, then suddenly saw shooting between you and Enzo what I'm supposed to do? To talk ? There's no needed of notifying you came INSIDE FOR SUSPECTS AT YOUR OWN RISK. Prove that I'm wrong. No brother, I won't report you just asking things I rulebreak to be explained so next time I won't repeat them. Gvardia Corporation is our Coropration (Queens), Gvardia HQ is Chinatown. That doesn't matter, we were all here (as RON mention), you're trying to kill one of our members so what you expect ?nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
as I said you entered at your OWN risk.
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...last you heard is that you failed to asskiss Chris.
I don't even know who Chris is, but thank you for your comments. They are much appreciated.
As was said several times, use the email address ([email protected]) if you feel you were abused. This topic has obviously gone from a discussion regarding confusion, to a flame war.
Unless a SA:MP Manager feels this should be open, I am locking this to prevent any further arguing and provoking.
Have a wonderful day everyone.
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Gandalf if you happen to read this, remember that PM I sent you about language barriers on rules? I think this fits the description to the tee. There's a thin line of DM/Not DM here, so I guess it's really up to the admin, but an admin who just got killed, there's emotion behind it.
So you believe an admin who just got killed by a DMer is not allowed to punish? Mind if I facepalm?
Toto, if you were playing security you were doing a fucking poor job.
Security is supposed to protect the club from other criminals, not give them a place to have a shootout.
If a security guard gets suspected in his line of duty, for instance by killing someone who threatened the customers, he should report at once to the nearest police station and hope for clemency.
If cops are on the premises, he is to surrender AT ONCE.
Shooting a cop because you are security is simply DM using a fake reason to support.
I will check the logs, and a LOT of people may find themselves punished if it shows what I think it will.
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I will check the logs, and a LOT of people may find themselves punished if it shows what I think it will.
This will surely make my day! Please do!
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Since when does 'security' gets the right to kill an officer?
If a gangster enters a club and you don't point him to the door, it is your mistake, since security provides SAFETY to the people inside, not to KEEP OUT cops from the scene.
Security was protecting the VIPs, both legally and ilegally.
The police force was there to cause havoc.
In other words, we were protecting the club from the police.
Either way, if that is your 'view' on roleplay I should not even ask why the hell 20 people were aiming their gun at a spawn for about 30 minutes to kill every blue blip that got in?
Don't act like a saint here, cops did the same to the criminals.
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Security was protecting the VIPs, both legally and ilegally.
The police force was there to cause havoc.
In other words, we were protecting the club from the police.
Don't act like a saint here, cops did the same to the criminals.
Security can NEVER protect a suspect without DM.
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Security can NEVER protect a suspect without DM.
And if warnings are given?
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And if warnings are given?
Then you are luck admins only warned you.
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Then you are luck admins only warned you.
No I mean what if the security warned the police force before opening fire?
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No I mean what if the security warned the police force before opening fire?
Security is meant to prevent suspects being present, please explain how they could ever side with them.
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Security is meant to prevent suspects being present, please explain how they could ever side with them.
The security was criminal security.
It wasn't official security obeying the law.
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The security was criminal security.
It wasn't official security obeying the law.
That is not security.
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About 5min after the ban I witnessed 2 cops TAB abuse off of Jizzy's roof, I /reported and nothing was done about it, I even had a admin say "I'm only responding to your report cause I have a crush on you.".... This I find to be outrageous and inappropriate.
Uhh.. :lol:
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That is not security.
Guys which security you're talking about ? I am defending my family members, we were together all time, then cops decided to rush at their own risk and started attacking Enzo GVARDIA (not customer) and I have followed the RON quote. Why always you guys keep defending each other, for once have a balls and admit it, take a example from Cofiliano. Example, yesterday was spawned 2000 meters from Jizzy then got punished by Matrix for tab abuse, after that Gimli told me to ask for explaination from him, and he started lying how I jump from Jizzy... Gandalf make account, RP as criminal more than 2 months whenever you have time, you'll feel it. Also read Nicki post again, she explained a lot.
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Gvardias were security on "event", Enzo was suspected for like 10 mins ago before cops came I killed Chris and this is what happend.
Guys which security you're talking about ?
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I killed cops as MOBSTER, not as SECURITY. Let me explain. If someone customer got attacked by cops I shouldn't do anything just ask the suspect to leave since we do not want to have any fire inside. But I WAS FORCED to use the fire towards Chris, Enzo GVARDIA was dying not some customer. Get it, cops has to prepare if they enter and try to do some bullshit, it's their own risk.
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Security should keep the targets that may harm the party, outside. Like suspects. Like I said, I entered and told the suspects to leave, which they didn't... and the birthday party turned TDM event 20 minutes later. Next time we know: Breach, kill suspects and leave.
"Preso por ter cão, preso por não ter." is a Portuguese saying, that is roughly translated in: If we act in one way, we get complains, if we do it the other way around, we also get complains.
Cops are always the bad guys that ruin RP.
@Toto If you switch roles from a second to the other what's your point? How should we deal with you? If we suspected you for assault/aid would it be wrong because you're a security and mobster at the same time!?
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I killed cops as MOBSTER, not as SECURITY. Let me explain. If someone customer got attacked by cops I shouldn't do anything just ask the suspect to leave since we do not want to have any fire inside. But I WAS FORCED to use the fire towards Chris, Enzo GVARDIA was dying not some customer. Get it, cops has to prepare if they enter and try to do some bullshit, it's their own risk.
You are SECURITY for the party as you admitted. I have already explained how SECURITY should handle things in case they kill someone in line of their work.
To switch in to MOBSTER mode because a SECURITY is a suspect is DM.
You were luck at the time I had to log off, as a 30 minute tempban is a VERY low punishment for a reguar that willingly participates in a DM fest.
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Why... I mean, now Gvardia is a criminal organisation, and the security was from Gvardia. They own the club, and if they dont want any cops in - thats their call. Now if cops decide to enter their property and refuse to leave, i would order my henchmen to do the same thing - kill them.
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Cops and Admins are protected on this server. Took FBI armour, he ran away with his FBI Rancher, after 5 seconds coming back with full armour, cop system on argonath. No more discussion, sorry for wasting your time, lock this topic please.
Why... I mean, now Gvardia is a criminal organisation, and the security was from Gvardia. They own the club, and if they dont want any cops in - thats their call. Now if cops decide to enter their property and refuse to leave, i would order my henchmen to do the same thing - kill them.
It's useless to explain.
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My gameplay never gets ruined. Speak for yourself.
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How should we deal with you?
Like cops on VC:MP do. /enter jizzy's with NO weapon drawn, preferably no armor too. eventually if you don't trust the suspects do /s don't shoot I'm not here to attack < ctrl+c, spam that when interior loads
Approach the guy who seems to own the place. /l I'm really sorry for interrupting your....party, but I have arrest warrants for <names of suspects here> I have received information that they might be somewhere here around, so could you please point me to their direction and I'll be sure you will be rewarded?
now they will prolly attempt to kidnap you, if they do, you have a good chance to suspect everyone involved, and then the cops can rambo in without anyone getting banned for dm if they shoot back
don't expect to enter property, no matter what it is, which is swarmed by a criminal group (gvardia in that case) and expect them to let you shoot the suspects without doing anything. If you'd see officer on a highway in a shootout with another suspect, would you just drive past him ignoring it? I don't think so.
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We tried that, but it's impossible since we /enter we are blasted by 30 guns.
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We tried that, but it's impossible since we /enter we are blasted by 30 guns.
Thats why VCMP interrior system is superrior to SAMP's ;P
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We tried that, but it's impossible since we /enter we are blasted by 30 guns.
Well, so you would blast criminals if they'd /exit wouldn't you...
lead by example
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Cops and Admins are protected on this server. Took FBI armour, he ran away with his FBI Rancher, after 5 seconds coming back with full armour, cop system on argonath. No more discussion, sorry for wasting your time, lock this topic please.It's useless to explain.
All players who do not DM are protected here.
Those who break rules are banned. Including you.
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I really love it when people say "Lead by example" when they themselves aren't even prime candidates for good behaviour.
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Why... I mean, now Gvardia is a criminal organisation, and the security was from Gvardia. They own the club, and if they dont want any cops in - thats their call. Now if cops decide to enter their property and refuse to leave, i would order my henchmen to do the same thing - kill them.
If they do not want any cops in they should not create a circumstance where cops are bound to enter.
So very simple: you are security and do not want cops in your place? Kick out any suspect.
You allow suspects to stay inside? Expect cops to come for them.
You help suspects fighting cops ? Get banned for DM.
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If they do not want any cops in they should not create a circumstance where cops are bound to enter.
So very simple: you are security and do not want cops in your place? Kick out any suspect.
You allow suspects to stay inside? Expect cops to come for them.
You help suspects fighting cops ? Get banned for DM.
It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...
2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...
How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...
With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...
Why is such rule actually?
Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...
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Once again he attacked Gvardia or let's say my colleague. RPly how he's supposed to know if I am security/mobster or w/e ? He entered at his own risk
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Read the last line.
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Read the last line.
Too fast responding wasn't supposed to edit my message, added something. Also as I requested someone lock this topic.
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@ Toto : What were you wearing?
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So... You're trying to say that if we're a criminal organisation, we're together and someone in our group gets suspected, we cant help him? That destroys the whole point of criminal gangs... If that's the point, then you would have to ban more than half of the server.
@ Toto : What were you wearing?
Go away.
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Too fast responding wasn't supposed to edit my message, added something. Also as I requested someone lock this topic.
What you added is exactly what you should read about.
How is the cop supposed to know that someone who may be a security guard or a party visitor will shoot him.