[SA:MP] Developers Answer: Give Examples

[Knoccout]

Depends...

1. Scam in casinos will lead to the punishment... If it is casino owner - he will lose casino and money he scammed... If it is a player - he will get another punishment and lose money he scammed... Both cases can also lead to the bans...
2. Scamming of the new players is not allowed... It leads straight to ban for using the lack of knowledges from the newbie and attempts on welcome money while player is trying to check the server...
3. Gambling on the streets - your own risk... If you will be scammed on the street money can be not returned and stay in scammer's pocket...

However scamming is not welcomed and will be anyways a sort of signal to admins to watch closer the scammer...

You know RON... Thanks for reminding me this will help me

[Aragorn]

QUESTIONS:
1) Can I just, out of the blue, request a log check of this particular situation if I wanted to? Without a time frame or anything?
2) With permission, could any person who is not an admin have an under cover account, with the sole purpose of, for example, watching over members (like admins do sometimes) of a group, to make sure they're not acting goodie goodie two shoes in front of their authority?

1. In this situation admin does not see the current rule breaking... If they flamed once they will flame again... If there will be several reports about the same guys flaming - yes, be sure admin will request a log check...
If it is a single episode the requesting of the logs is not necessary... Calm down and play... As I said, if it is that sort of flamers, they will show up again...
For single case as it was dropped and over admin will not ban for the past situation happened...

2. Undercover nicks are given only to the high rank administration of server...

[Aragorn]

I have a question on how it works with the rule about not being allowed to shoot at cops to aid friends.

I would like a specific explenaition about that, before someone bans me.

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

2. Police is chasing some guy and suddenly appears a car with non-wanted civilian who started shooting them... Simply, cops can decide it is a deathmatcher/cophunter... Attack without a reason is not allowed... And this rule plays here not the best role... As for the criminal helper, so for admins who got reports and for sure will freeze you to get the reason of shooting cops...

How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...

With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...

Why is such rule actually?

Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...

[Dutchy]

How to help?
In this case (if you want to shoot cops back) the main target is to get wanted level... Get him into your car and try to get rid of chase... Cops will suspect you for aiding, then aub, your dream became be a reality...

With wanted level you are allowed to help any sort of criminals with any sort of help...

Why is such rule actually?

Well, you see blue nick of cop, you know he can shoot you if you are criminal... So do cops when see a wanted level of your nick... Both sides are equal and do not confuse each other, less misunderstanding, less reports to admins...

Alright, another example I'm curious about.

Let's say you hang around with the people at Gas Station 9 alot, and sometimes, those people stand around others and thread them and make them leave, and mostly they get suspected, but let's say, they are in a shootout with cops, right in front of your nose and you didn't have to do anything with the crime itself, but you still want to help them, just because they are your friends. So you take our your shotgun and shoot at the cops.
Is this allowed? Because I also stand at GS9 sometimes and alot of time I want to help those people and aid them in a shootout, but I'm not always sure if it's allowed.

And trying to get a wanted level is hard in this case, because you can't drive away from the GS, get suspected by cops for ramming and return, seems a bit strange..

[Violet]

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

What if the mafia members are present at the mafia HQ but aren't suspected?

[Aragorn]

What if the mafia members are present at the mafia HQ but aren't suspected?

I answered on it in quoted post... The thing is - attack of mafia members at HQ is expectable and understandable...

[Aragorn]

Alright, another example I'm curious about.

Let's say you hang around with the people at Gas Station 9 alot, and sometimes, those people stand around others and thread them and make them leave, and mostly they get suspected, but let's say, they are in a shootout with cops, right in front of your nose and you didn't have to do anything with the crime itself, but you still want to help them, just because they are your friends. So you take our your shotgun and shoot at the cops.
Is this allowed? Because I also stand at GS9 sometimes and alot of time I want to help those people and aid them in a shootout, but I'm not always sure if it's allowed.

And trying to get a wanted level is hard in this case, because you can't drive away from the GS, get suspected by cops for ramming and return, seems a bit strange..

I would've ban all those at GS9 who ever tried to demand from people to leave the place, punching them for that or start a mass shootout with cops... Once I spectated the whole barricade from cars and shooting cops... They are lucky cops killed them faster then me checking out all IDs that were involved in attack on cops...

[Violet]

I answered on it in quoted post... The thing is - attack of mafia members at HQ is expectable and understandable...

Okay, I was just verifying whether it's okay for mafia members to attack at a mafia HQ if they aren't already suspected. From my understanding it's acceptable. Thanks.

[Frank_Hawk]

It depends on the situation...
1. If it is the mafia HQ and all mafia members are there, cops are trying to arrest one of them, of cos, nonsense if other mafia members will stand and watch it...
In this case members of mafia group will start to shoot back, trying to help the friend... It is ok...

Alright, another example I'm curious about.

Let's say you hang around with the people at Gas Station 9 alot, and sometimes, those people stand around others and thread them and make them leave, and mostly they get suspected, but let's say, they are in a shootout with cops, right in front of your nose and you didn't have to do anything with the crime itself, but you still want to help them, just because they are your friends. So you take our your shotgun and shoot at the cops.
Is this allowed? Because I also stand at GS9 sometimes and alot of time I want to help those people and aid them in a shootout, but I'm not always sure if it's allowed.

And trying to get a wanted level is hard in this case, because you can't drive away from the GS, get suspected by cops for ramming and return, seems a bit strange..

I would've ban all those at GS9 who ever tried to demand from people to leave the place, punching them for that or start a mass shootout with cops... Once I spectated the whole barricade from cars and shooting cops... They are lucky cops killed them faster then me checking out all IDs that were involved in attack on cops...

What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? 

[Mikro]

What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? 

That everyone around will take the chance and also start shooting. People comming from all sides to "help". That is the reason, I think.

[Aragorn]

What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? 

Why did you decide that Gas Station is yours?

[9r2e5i3k]

What is the difference between the mafia defending their HQ and street thugs defending GS9 which is in this case their HQ? 

Let's say, Gvardia HQ is 1. far from crowds of new players and 2. concealed by a fence and a gate.
GS9 is 1. where new guys usually are directed to 2. public place 3. open from every side.

GS9 always has a lot of civilians around. Mafia HQ's are usually crowded only by the mafia members or their allies/affiliates.

[Aragorn]

It is even simpler..

Gas Stations have nothing to do to private properties the same as public parkings...

If they want to demand from people to leave their place - aub, buy the shop at GS and stand there in the icon, disallowing people to enter it...

[Leon.]

Consider these two situations:

1: I head straight to a police department and /gu while suspected for... I don't know, breaking and entering, passing no cops on the way, and no cops inside. It takes one cop who I don't even know five minutes to get to the police station. He cuffs me and proceeds to jail me for 30 seconds, claiming he's in a good mood and smiles at me. He DOES NOT return any money or anything like that. He promptly leaves the area. He stayed on for two more hours before going to bed (you'll see why this detail is important.)

2: NOTE: Bob is a pretend Gvardia member
I still have the same crime: Breaking and entering.
I say in cb, "Bob, could you jail me at the PD? I don't feel like waiting for a cop..."
Bob says, "Sure, Leon."
Bob proceeds to go on duty while I arrive at the police department. I /gu, he cuffs, he jails for 30 seconds, same as the cop above, and returns NO MONEY, just like the cop above. Only in this situation, Bob gets tempbanned for 60 minutes and also copbanned.

Question: What difference does it make if some random stranger jails me for 30 seconds, a rather short time and if a good friend and criminal group member with the same tag as me jails me for 30 seconds as I requested him to do?
Apparently, this is abuse of /jail to lose suspection. If it is, then every cop who has jailed a suspect should be banned for making suspects lose their suspection via jail, including myself, Gandalf, Grzesiek, Vince, Hank Rafferty, Matrixbob...I could keep going on.

[9r2e5i3k]

Grzesiek,

lolwathithere

Also if there are so little cops, why won't you just hide and wait until you lose your wanted level? It's not like in MTA:VC where you're wanted for infinite time, unless you either die or get jailed.