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GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Government & Businesses => IV:MP City Hall => Topic started by: Heller on August 23, 2012, 07:42:51 am

Title: Please add BSF
Post by: Heller on August 23, 2012, 07:42:51 am
Please add BSF or something similar so people can do there bizz with help BSF funds.

As we can that many people want to open there their own bizz but they don't have enough money for opening a bizz or for employee salaries.

I am requesting to provoid us some BSF support fund so people can have their bizz[Private Rp job] in success.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Hybird on August 23, 2012, 02:36:02 pm
BSF what means  :trust:
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Talya_taya on August 23, 2012, 02:37:34 pm
Business Support Funding I think or sth like that..
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2012, 02:42:45 pm
BSF already exists, or was it removed?
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Kerbe on August 23, 2012, 05:12:07 pm
Business Support Fund, yeah. But as long as you can't own bizz where people can buy something for real (Such as owning an ammu/restaurant or what so ever), I find it kinda useless.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Heller on August 24, 2012, 05:59:06 am
Business Support Fund, yeah. But as long as you can't own bizz where people can buy something for real (Such as owning an ammu/restaurant or what so ever), I find it kinda useless.
I don't think so cuss many people are doing there bizz[BSF] without owning any kind of bizz in game, We can set a RP job such as tranceport corporation or something similar. And probably there is no need of owning a bizz or something similar.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Kerbe on August 24, 2012, 08:30:28 am
Also, I don't think IV:MP Argonath is meant to be SA:MP's younger brother. How would BSF work here?
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on October 09, 2012, 06:31:31 am
To have BSF right now on IVMP would just be outragous. Maybe in a year or two I might see it come into view. But as for right now. No.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: EenBeeFour on December 30, 2012, 03:49:50 pm
Highly against this, it's very pointless and can be abused to gain free money.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 26, 2013, 04:17:10 pm
I understand I am bringing this topic back from the dead, but I must explain this eventually somewhere. This is not the first time BSF has asked about IV:MP, we actually reached out towards IV:MP in the past to DellStorm and what was concluded was that it wasn't the goal of the server to begin such an operation because the focus at that time was not in any way money, at that time they wanted players to focus more on RP than making money all the time, and we had to respect that.

BSF's design has failed SA:MP the safeguards that were supposed to stop BSF from over inflating the economy had not been taken and by the time people started to notice it was far to late the damage had already been done. Though we believe a healthy economy is a nice thing to have with many outlets to make money in IV:MP's case I do not believe the traditional BSF way is the right way to take anything. The way that would be best for IV:MP because it still has many possibilities is to allow the RP to gain on itself certain 'official' businesses receive a low capped amount of money and from that they can do the necessary business this combined with carefully monitoring the money is one of the many ways to go. of course BSF still can be implemented if requested under a specific set of rules, that is not what we recommend. IV:MP has many outlets to RP making money and all should be considered first. The only reason I can actually see BSF coming into IV:MP is to fix a locked economy where no money is moving at all. Combined with monitoring inflation properly and adjusting the amounts that are stimulated into the economy to better recognize the inflation is a good way to go, thus deflation and inflation can be better controlled. There are many ways to go about implementing a stable economy without the help of BSF and it is up to the HQ to find which method that will work the best in IV:MP's unique case. 

Vice Director of BSF,
Dillon Collin
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: ramirogarza on August 26, 2013, 06:19:20 pm
Aso you say, the point of the server is generate the RP and not to care about the money.. However, we first need to create the server, and get players to this to work.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Traser on August 26, 2013, 06:21:42 pm
Aso you say, the point of the server is generate the RP and not to care about the money.. However, we first need to create the server, and get players to this to work.

There should be ways for the player to make money yes, but the main goal will always be RP, if you mix it up and only play for money, something is wrong..
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 26, 2013, 07:52:51 pm
It appears my summarizing may have caused the problem Ramiro the exact quote took me a while to find via pm but here it is, and this should sum up your answer.

For IV:MP we're trying to limit the necessity of money and instead focus on creative ways of rewarding players through their own actions.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 26, 2013, 11:51:20 pm
So how the heck can BSF help if all they do is give out money to people?
That's the exact opposite of what we(as a community) want in IV:MP.
That's what differs us from any other server.
We like to roleplay and have fun, not to go in game just to make a few bucks here and there.

Keep in mind, the server is still at a stage where it is still developing - it has several years to make it what SA:MP is; to where people only care about money.
It's not worth it at the moment to integrate BSF into IV:MP.

I still keep to my stance and say no to BSF.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Batta on August 27, 2013, 12:15:15 pm
You have to consider the fundamental difference between SA:MP and IV:MP. I'm talking about people. Here we just do not care about getting tons of cash. Not only because we can't do much with it, but mainly because we still have the family feeling that makes it simply unnecessary, superfluous. We do not need money.

This system is extremely easy to abuse and got SA:MP to become what it is now. Hell, I'd never want IV:MP to be like that! That's the day that I leave :)
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Talya_taya on August 27, 2013, 02:55:28 pm
You have to consider the fundamental difference between SA:MP and IV:MP. I'm talking about people. Here we just do not care about getting tons of cash. Not only because we can't do much with it, but mainly because we still have the family feeling that makes it simply unnecessary, superfluous. We do not need money.

This system is extremely easy to abuse and got SA:MP to become what it is now. Hell, I'd never want IV:MP to be like that! That's the day that I leave reason I dont come :)

Srsly I dont think we could have that much things to do if everybody were paying attention to some business only for money... For a small server, exactly it wouldnt be good to do that
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 06:54:42 pm
I don't think anyone actually read my message....

BSF's design has failed SA:MP the safeguards that were supposed to stop BSF from over inflating the economy had not been taken and by the time people started to notice it was far to late the damage had already been done.

 I do not believe the traditional BSF way is the right way to take anything.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Batta on August 27, 2013, 08:44:30 pm
Still that's just not compatible with us. That's my opinion.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 09:26:43 pm
Did you even read the quote? I said the same thing you just did, I said it in virtually every post I have made here. I completely agree BSF is not the correct way to go for IV:MP.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Batta on August 27, 2013, 09:31:23 pm
Thought that was some kind of excuse for the system not working. Fine then.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 28, 2013, 03:56:22 am
Still that's just not compatible with us. That's my opinion.
In the end, BSF is BSF and we (with our family ways - as Batta states) is just not necessary.
You're quote means little to nothing here(pointed to Dillon's quote, not Battas).

Money is money - no matter how much you give out.
We are a roleplaying family, and we want to keep it that way.

Since those safeguards did not help SA:MP, I doubt it will help IV:MP. What's broke will stay broke.

Dont f**k with it if it ain't broken.

No BSF here.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 28, 2013, 06:37:11 am
I completely agree BSF is not the correct way to go for IV:MP.

I'm sorry if my English is becoming hard to understand; however, those safeguards you speak of 1. You have no idea what they were but I'm not going to talk about that on the forums, I came here to clear it up that BSF is not a good way to go with IVMP since this topic clearly proves people wanted it implemented. I don't understand how I am getting this feedback that is saying exactly what I have been saying, if you still can't comprehend what I am saying use an online translator first please.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 28, 2013, 10:58:06 am
If BSF is not the right way to go, why the hell are you trying to add it?
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 28, 2013, 06:48:05 pm
Show me where I am trying to add it.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 29, 2013, 01:38:16 am
You're the co-director of the place, You tell me.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Dillon on August 29, 2013, 01:47:52 am
I has never in this topic said BSF should come to IVMP this topic was made by a player who wanted it implemented being as I am the Vice Director I decided to clear it up, I thought I had done a good job but apparently people sont read the message anymore. Just because I have a rank in BSF doesn't make me a supporter of massive movements into every game mode, if I could have turned back the clock I would have fixed BSF before samp got so inflated, I have not said it should be in IVMP so let's not use my rank as an automatic assumption.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Mikal on August 29, 2013, 01:56:51 am
Easy money..
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on August 29, 2013, 02:59:17 am
So, I take it you don't want BSF in IV either?
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Bilbo on September 02, 2013, 03:49:42 pm
If you want easy money, you should ask other players to back you up. Or I'll give you a hint... try asking a developer to contribude to your project, if they like it very much and think it can be profitable and bring RP to many players they might even help you financially. ;)
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Abraham on September 02, 2013, 04:00:24 pm
So, I take it you don't want BSF in IV either?
(http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Lol+you+re+a+stupid++++_263b0621391e7092b9f15541090876fe.jpg)
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Leroy_Kolta on September 02, 2013, 04:15:19 pm
(http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Lol+you+re+a+stupid++++_263b0621391e7092b9f15541090876fe.jpg)
I don't take kindly to that.
Title: Re: Please add BSF
Post by: Abraham on September 02, 2013, 04:23:12 pm
I don't take kindly to that.
I do apologize in that case sir, I will remove it if it's requested off of you.
However I do believe you must be lacking a few screws as it appears you have not read a single post made by anyone before you commented on them.
Except for mine, so far, sir.
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