Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Louis_Smith on August 28, 2012, 01:05:11 am
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Hello
Im just suggesting to owners to start giving back awards in 2012 and next Years , cause since Aragorn been busy and he went inactive we havent see any Nominations.
And there is many People who deserves Awards .
Thanks
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The Oscars and so on were stopped due to people cheating in them multiple times and never learning.
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Yup, as MadBoi said, groups have votes to allies/eachothers after deals.
I.e All of group A's members voted for group B as best RP group, and all of group B's members voted for group A as best criminal group.
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It's a popularity contest. Nobody deserves an Oscar as it's not benefical at all, just a tiny image on the avatar space. Plus the cheating comes and goes, so yeah sums it up pretty much.
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oh right then :)
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The week where i was offered 60k to nominate. :lol:
People lost around 700-900k money for Oscar that week.
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i think i deserve at least one award but since i have started playing this server the award contest has not been taken so i am requesting in my reply to do the award contest
THANKS
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Find a way to prevent bribing and other forms of "buying" votes and maybe they'll bring it back. Until then, there's no point.
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Because it caused shitstorms. Shitstorms are bad, m'kay?
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Because it caused shitstorms. Shitstorms are bad, m'kay?
YOU no SAY?!!!Oneone1111
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YOU no SAY?!!!Oneone1111
:lol:
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Well, as people above said...Shitstorms. Tough, only thing that actually annoys me is the fact that people who have earned rewards can show them off in their profile, while new players, or regulars who didn't earn any, just have to sit there and rot in jealousy...
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We all shall find a way to avoid bribes and shit , not Just me.
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As some said, it becomes a popularity contest, it all results in who you know and so on.
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Because it caused shitstorms. Shitstorms are bad, m'kay?
It caused shitstorms because we didn't cheat, yet we got accused for it.
But that's another story. I liked the concept with awards, but it should be voted by a jury instead. A jury pendatically picked by numerous managers, etcetera. Trusted and respected individuals who has no whatsoever first and second-type of view of groups just because him being a part of one.
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I liked the awards, and think it would be great to see them make a return. If people want to (and I'm not accusing anyone of actually doing this, just given the situation) stoop to bribing for a tiny award on their profile, then let them do so.
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I liked the awards
Just because you have one :D
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I thought awards were given by the administration team... and other by players. But I never really understood the whole idea
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The awards were voted for by players and administration.
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http://media.argonathrpg.com/index.php/awards?task=listusers&award=1 (http://media.argonathrpg.com/index.php/awards?task=listusers&award=1)
The Oscar awards were planned to be given for actual achievements and from the HQ.
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http://media.argonathrpg.com/index.php/awards?task=listusers&award=1 (http://media.argonathrpg.com/index.php/awards?task=listusers&award=1)
The Oscar awards were planned to be given for actual achievements and from the HQ.
Correct. Aragorn just happened to be busy with other things in life at the time, so he never got around to having the awards happen.
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Correct. Aragorn just happened to be busy with other things in life at the time, so he never got around to having the awards happen.
+1
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VCMP Administration made unofficial award system, just alike what used to be community wide.. :roll:
Too bad nobody got any new "trophies" in their profile :D
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VCMP Administration made unofficial award system, just alike what used to be community wide.. :roll:
Too bad nobody got any new "trophies" in their profile :D
Hint understood.
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Too bad nobody got any new "trophies" in their profile :D
Hence unofficial. :lol:
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/me WANTS HIS AWARD FOR... I WANT MY AWARD :mad:
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/me WANTS HIS AWARD FOR... I WANT MY AWARD :mad:
For...?
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Good... :lol:
Now I'm the undisputed best annoyer of SA:MP.
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Good... :lol:
Now I'm the undisputed best annoyer of SA:MP.
Awards were still given out in 2010. :P
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We in TCL made our very own awards too like VCMP community. Some of us still want to see that tradition go on.
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I believe that I had a role to play in the removal of the awards system here, so I might explain my reasoning for that with a few examples, if I can find some images and stuff.
I was running the last awards that were meant to be done, the 2010 awards, and during the whole thing, FORTY individuals were disqualified for cheating in some way. Just take a moment to consider that number. In addition to this, TWO entire groups were disqualified from the votes for cheating, including Gvardia and 58th Street. I created a topic to deal with these issues, the link is here (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=65579.0), and the 20 pages of responses in that topic work as proof of how detrimental to this community the awards have the potential to be.
Rather than appreciating that I was giving up my free time to deliver a service, people decided to cheat, lie, deceive, flame, insult and provoke, just so that they could get a little pixel award underneath their names.
Just to show you the extent that some people went to for that little pixel, I'm going to release all the that I can find regarding those oscars, to further prove that awards like that should NEVER return to this community.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/leoo.jpg)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/rafael.jpg)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/flashh.png)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/rivenss.png)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/tommyy.png)
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6905/samp005ow.png)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ztslxw.png)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2irpzkz.png)
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3397/samp277f.png)
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/Joseph.jpg)
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4479/disqualification.png)
Quote from: Ericooo on 01 January 2011, 21:09:14
Can you vote for me as the worst driver ?:)
This is all that I can find in my PM's. I don't care enough to go digging through my photobucket or my computer archives to find every shred of evidence I have on everyone, but I do hope that what you see here shows to you why the awards have not been done for a couple of years.
Sincerely,
GiacJr
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I believe what Giac has posted there is some pretty shameful behaviour and it's disappointing that people feel the need to go around cheating, asking for votes for, as you put it Giac, a pixel under their name.
If players are like that in awards, I wonder if the same players can be trusted in things such as competitions and events.
I'll reserve further judgement, but I'm certainly disappointed by what Giac has shown us today.
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(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/Giac_Jr/tommyy.png)
Sorry but this is rather funny. :lol:
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I'm honestly not surprised by Giac's screenshots either. Every year people beg me via PM to vote for them too. Of course, just because they ask I never do, but it's amusing to see them try so hard to cheat and still not end up winning. :lol:
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Well what, you want people to get voted after they declare their campaigns?
The real cheating I see is buying votes, convincing/asking to vote for you should've been allowed IMO.
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Well what, you want people to get voted after they declare their campaigns?
The real cheating I see is buying votes, convincing/asking to vote for you should've been allowed IMO.
This isn't voting for someone into a position. The point is to see how the community truly feels...not just have friends vote for each other because they are friends. People are supposed to actually earn the award from a public view standpoint.
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I wish everyone did like me and didn't cheat..
I'm not being arrogant, but I wasn't even aware I'm nominated for the award I possess now.
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I'm not being arrogant, but I wasn't even aware I'm nominated for the award I possess now.
Likewise, the awards shouldn't be something to get worked up over, it should be a surprise like the real oscars and so on, you don't have a clue what's happening until you are given the award.
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I wish everyone did like me and didn't cheat..
I'm not being arrogant, but I wasn't even aware I'm nominated for the award I possess now.
Agreed on both of mine. When I received the first one, I didn't even know the awards were in progress at the time. :lol:
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This isn't voting for someone into a position. The point is to see how the community truly feels...not just have friends vote for each other because they are friends. People are supposed to actually earn the award from a public view standpoint.
It's human nature that friends nominate friends for awards, nothing shameful about that.
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The Oscars and so on were stopped due to people cheating in them multiple times and never learning.
(http://i.imgur.com/PIdIn.gif)
THAT CAN'T BE TRUE !
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I haven't even seen a single screenshot of 58th St. cheating votes, nor did I see it above.
I claim ourselves innocent even today, yet the behavior of cheating/asking (for) votes like the ones showed above is just lame and it's good that you handled them well, Giac.
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ima hunt u lucha connecta st nigz down nig pls u knw what uve dan ok?
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It's human nature that friends nominate friends for awards, nothing shameful about that.
If they are doing it because they think their friends actually deserve the award, then yes, nothing wrong with it...but if they are nominating them just to get them a random award, then that would be cheating the system.
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TWO entire groups were disqualified from the votes for cheating, including Gvardia and 58th Street.
I'm still waiting for that proof you were supposed to send me a year ago. Until then, your claims of Gvardia and 58th Street being involved in cheating are nothing but slander and blatant lies.
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Ye, i remember a guy who witch hunted with false-made pictures and accusations. Only 1-2 were involved in Gvardia, none of them were related to "best group" award but rather for themselves. You, however, should get one for being the best miracle that happen to Argonath, Sir Giac. It people like you that caused the Oscars to get cancelled, too much emotional feelings about the awards perhaps?
Will have to agree with Leon here, i remember one of the Gvardia leaders, Cofi i believe, asking numerous times about the proof, none which was given.
I see nothing wrong with people asking others to vote for them, but i see wrong in persuasion attempts by rewarding them with something. I voted Gandalf for best troll tho.
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The provoking comments do not help any situation. If you people want the awards to come back, then fix your attitudes. It's obvious that after more than a year, players still only care about themselves, and pointing fingers, rather than trying to come to a peaceful resolution for everyone's sake.
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Peaceful resolution? Perhaps, dim tho. It wont prevent others from paying up for votes. It better for it not to come back as oscar awards here bring nothing but attractions for negativity.
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when the awarding will open?
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when the awarding will open?
When the faith in humanity has been restored, I'm sure.
We in IV:MP hold Oscar Awards as before and will most likely continue the tradition as such next year as well.
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Ye, i remember a guy who witch hunted with false-made pictures and accusations. Only 1-2 were involved in Gvardia, none of them were related to "best group" award but rather for themselves. You, however, should get one for being the best miracle that happen to Argonath, Sir Giac. It people like you that caused the Oscars to get cancelled, too much emotional feelings about the awards perhaps?
Will have to agree with Leon here, i remember one of the Gvardia leaders, Cofi i believe, asking numerous times about the proof, none which was given.
I see nothing wrong with people asking others to vote for them, but i see wrong in persuasion attempts by rewarding them with something. I voted Gandalf for best troll tho.
Go look at all votes by Gvardia, and all votes by 58th. Literally every single vote by each group is for the other. That is obvious cheating.
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Go look at all votes by Gvardia, and all votes by 58th. Literally every single vote by each group is for the other. That is obvious cheating.
They both had respects for each other, hence the votes. No cheating, just good relations. :)
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(http://sadpanda.us/images/1187619-ZJ6YUV8.png)
Aww lawl I remember this. My biggest problem was I didn't read the rules before hand and thought it was okay, later on in /p someone said you can't do that and I stopped. :D
But yeah, the main reason was this. I remember many people asking me to vote for them in certain areas.
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I wonder why there was no vote cheating on VC:MP :roll:
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Go look at all votes by Gvardia, and all votes by 58th. Literally every single vote by each group is for the other. That is obvious cheating.
"Oh, look, my friends are all voting for me! Bad me, boo-hoo!"
Seriously?
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>mfw i shouldve won Best Criminal Shooter '10 because the people who beat me cheated. :cool:
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When the award ceremony will open ?
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It won't open because people didn't understand how to obey rules when we had it.
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I wonder why there was no vote cheating on VC:MP :roll:
Because there is no need to, the results are already obvious in any case : EAF - best shooters, WS - best cops lol :lol:
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okay you are saying that people do not understand that how obey rules and you had it.First of all say me what are the that rules that you had been obeyed?
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Because there is no need to, the results are already obvious in any case : EAF - best shooters, WS - best cops lol :lol:
Although I detect friendly sarcasm there, I beg to differ! ;)
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well okay
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Maybe making trust-worthy and active players and/or moderators and admins to nominate would work... At least more than the original nominate method.
We could RP the nomination IG as well, even tho I don't really know how it works.
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Maybe making trust-worthy and active players and/or moderators and admins to nominate would work... At least more than the original nominate method.
We could RP the nomination IG as well, even tho I don't really know how it works.
Well the problem is, how do you define trusted players? That is based on opinion...and basing it on rank wouldn't change it much. ;)
That would also create an unfair advantage for those able to vote versus those who cannot, and on top of that, it would make it just so the awards are possible, rather than people getting to have fun doing it.
It is a good idea though. Keep them coming! :)
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So how about let one single invidual from A.R.U.N cast a vote and have them given without cheating? Wouldn't that be fair?
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So how about let one single invidual from A.R.U.N cast a vote and have them given without cheating? Wouldn't that be fair?
Then it's not based on the community anymore, which defeats the whole purpose. The awards are meant for fun, not for just getting something on your profile. :)
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not for just getting something on your profile. :)
but... but... stuff on profile is kool :poke:
In all seriousness, there is more than enough reason already presented as to why this isn't happening anymore.
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but... but... stuff on profile is kool :poke:
In all seriousness, there is more than enough reason already presented as to why this isn't happening anymore.
Agreed.
And as stated in many, many places, it was actually redesigned, but Aragorn was just too busy to host it again. :P
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How about a forum script that can be opened and closed by the managers? You'll need to be registered for (x) days in order to vote :D
I think that's actually possible, I suggest someone talking to Mikro or Teddy about it, those people are smaaaart!
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I think that's actually possible, I suggest someone talking to Mikro or Teddy about it, those people are smaaaart!
<3
Yes it is possible, would be very simple actually.
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That wouldn't resolve the issue, though. It was regular players that ruined the past awards, so restricting new people not only goes against the Vision, but doesn't solve the problem at all. :(
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That wouldn't resolve the issue, though. It was regular players that ruined the past awards, so restricting new people not only goes against the Vision, but doesn't solve the problem at all. :(
This is honestly unavoidable. There are some other options that can reduce this, such as having a committee to review peoples votes and reasons; So for every vote you have to provide a lengthy reasons as to why you selected that person/group then it'll be judge as if its valid enough, but time will only shine until people get creative.
Its honestly disgraceful that this topic even has to exist, and everyone who took park in the "corruption" should feel ashamed.
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waiting for award ceremony of argonath forums
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Go look at all votes by Gvardia, and all votes by 58th. Literally every single vote by each group is for the other. That is obvious cheating.
Yes, two best groups in that period, most active, most organized, most creative roleplays, and also personal friends, not to mention allies.
Yeah if I can not vote for Gvardia, I'll skip the best roleplaying group together with Gvardia in that period, and vote for Gulucan cause 58th are friends and so people gonna say corruption and cheating.
Yeah, stupid down sydrom people will.
I was running the last awards that were meant to be done, the 2010 awards, and during the whole thing, FORTY individuals were disqualified for cheating in some way. Just take a moment to consider that number. In addition to this, TWO entire groups were disqualified from the votes for cheating, including Gvardia and 58th Street.
And this was nothing other then your personal witch hunting. DQ a group of 35 active people, cause 3 members wanted to get personal awards, not group awards.
Oh well, you got what you deserved at the end.
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The whole concept of having Oscars and so on is great, the issue comes in when people get over attached to the whole thing, they start getting frantic on winning and acquiring votes.
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Yes, two best groups in that period, most active, most organized, most creative roleplays, and also personal friends, not to mention allies.
Yeah if I can not vote for Gvardia, I'll skip the best roleplaying group together with Gvardia in that period, and vote for Gulucan cause 58th are friends and so people gonna say corruption and cheating.
Yeah, stupid down sydrom people will.
And this was nothing other then your personal witch hunting. DQ a group of 35 active people, cause 3 members wanted to get personal awards, not group awards.
Oh well, you got what you deserved at the end.
With your attitude towards others, I personally hope you are banished from further awards in the future. It doesn't matter whether the accusations are true or false...you just proved that certain people in the community, yourself included, are still not able to handle them. That is just sickening.
Can someone please lock this as the answer has been given? The flaming in here is just a disgusting view of our community's players to the public.
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With your attitude towards others, I personally hope you are banished from further awards in the future. It doesn't matter whether the accusations are true or false...you just proved that certain people in the community, yourself included, are still not able to handle them. That is just sickening.
Can someone please lock this as the answer has been given? The flaming in here is just a disgusting view of our community's players to the public.
Don't be silly, he said everything clearly in his defence while GiacJr didn't give any evidence to any of the accused parties. That clearly shows of personal motives, else why would he hold it up?
And I'm going to ignore your statement about whether the accusations are true or false, that is completely stupid to ignore and you better should be aware of it.
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Don't be silly, he said everything clearly in his defence while GiacJr didn't give any evidence to any of the accused parties. That clearly shows of personal motives, else why would he hold it up?
And I'm going to ignore your statement about whether the accusations are true or false, that is completely stupid to ignore and you better should be aware of it.
If you really want to question the validity of the evidence, or the lack thereof you are stating Giac didn't present, then I suggest you take that up with the Server Owners who shut the awards down themselves due to this incident.
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If you really want to question the validity of the evidence, or the lack thereof you are stating Giac didn't present,
He said it himself. The only "evidence" he had was Gvardia and 58th St. members voting for each other because they are close friends, there is no problem with that.
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He said it himself. The only "evidence" he had was Gvardia and 58th St. members voting for each other because they are close friends, there is no problem with that.
That was not the only evidence presented...else the awards wouldn't have been cancelled.
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With your attitude towards others, I personally hope you are banished from further awards in the future.
His attitude? What about yours, across the entire forum? You regularly antagonise and confront others for no discernible reason, and just generally act with excess aggression.
As for the awards, I recall a specific incident where Giac provided his "evidence" for a disqualification and it was completely nothing. The whole thing was rather farcical.
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With your attitude towards others, I personally hope you are banished from further awards in the future.
The flaming in here is just a disgusting view of our community's players to the public.
Attitude? Says the one talking shit about the owners/managers in the IV:MP Administrational Chat Group. Remember you being community banned a while ago? Yeah, that's right.
We still today claim that we are incident, just like Cofi did with an explanation in this topic. He got all right to do so. Not a single bit of evidence has been released, the only comment we've received is the one Giac wrote in this topic. It's incredibly sad that the awards were removed, since it was one great contribution to the forum/server. Maybe just because of this happening which occurred, since we pushed really hard on the button; but that doesn't take away our right to speak once we get accused for something that is literally not true.
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False accusations always tend to arise, especially from those that have had no influence in the awards unfortunately.
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For those that wish to continue ****ting on Giac, let me point you to a couple things:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823)
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules)
For those who are wondering about the status of the Oscars this year:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487)
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503)
If anyone disagrees with any of those statements, take it to PM with the Server Owners. I'm sure they will happily give you the answers you seek.
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For those that wish to continue ****ting on Giac, let me point you to a couple things:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823)
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules)
For those who are wondering about the status of the Oscars this year:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487)
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503)
It was really that hard to pull it on the 1st page, now was it?
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It was really that hard to pull it on the 1st page, now was it?
Pull what on the first page? o.0
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Pull what on the first page? o.0
That message. On the first page of this topic. Especially the
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487)
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503)
corresponding links.
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For those that wish to continue ****ting on Giac, let me point you to a couple things:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=65579.msg1001823#msg1001823)
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Argonath_Rules)
For those who are wondering about the status of the Oscars this year:
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=70693.msg1074487#msg1074487)
http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503 (http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=85735.msg1362503#msg1362503)
If anyone disagrees with any of those statements, take it to PM with the Server Owners. I'm sure they will happily give you the answers you seek.
None of this has to do with Giac. You should have put it on page 1, since the creator of the topic was interested in this, not the drama about Oscar 2011.
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I didn't put it on Page 1 because people didn't start questioning Giac's statements until later on in this topic.
As for the argument itself, I agree. The drama isn't interesting, and is useless.
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I didn't put it on Page 1 because people didn't start questioning Giac's statements until later on in this topic.
As for the argument itself, I agree. The drama isn't interesting, and is useless.
Incredible how you fail to realize that both me and Cofiliano are talking about the Oscar links, not the giac drama links. And the topic itself was ---
why do i even bother you seem to be autistic and ignore all the statements against you.
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Incredible how you fail to realize that both me and Cofiliano are talking about the Oscar links, not the giac drama links. And the topic itself was ---
why do i even bother you seem to be autistic and ignore all the statements against you.
I actually was not discussing what you two were, and if you read correctly, he was posting a statement to me regarding it, which I answered.
For the record, no, I am not autistic, and I suggest you don't use such a demeaning insult towards someone again. Many children in the world are born with autism, and that is incredibly hurtful to them.