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Title: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Def Perry on September 27, 2012, 06:36:21 pm
U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g#)

And he films it himself! Watch Out We Got A Badass Over Here. But a real one. A soldier who runs down a hill to safe his fellows has metal testicles, face it. Quote;  "I got a hit a total of 4 times". Hurray for combat body armour. This happened in Kunar Province, Afghanistan. More footage here (http://funker530.prochan.com/).

Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Gandalf on September 27, 2012, 07:10:02 pm
Strange enough the exact text was posted in Dutch today on a Dutch newsblog.
Seems whoever is spreading has a good marketing machine.

As for the soldier... he shoots in the air not actually aimin at anything, runs down a hill without cover.
There are other far more effective methods to draw enemy fire as emulating a first time player in COD.

Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Def Perry on September 27, 2012, 07:13:38 pm
Strange enough the exact text was posted in Dutch today on a Dutch newsblog.
Seems whoever is spreading has a good marketing machine.

As for the soldier... he shoots in the air not actually aimin at anything, runs down a hill without cover.
There are other far more effective methods to draw enemy fire as emulating a first time player in COD.
Yeah I translated the text.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Jack Rosso on September 27, 2012, 08:02:56 pm
Strange enough the exact text was posted in Dutch today on a Dutch newsblog.
Seems whoever is spreading has a good marketing machine.

As for the soldier... he shoots in the air not actually aimin at anything, runs down a hill without cover.
There are other far more effective methods to draw enemy fire as emulating a first time player in COD.

Looks like we got a Geenstijl reader here? :)

Cover fire, in regards to the ''shooting in the air'' btw.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on September 27, 2012, 08:15:04 pm
Saw it yesterday.

He is running around in the open shooting at absolutely nothing.
Yet the commenters call him a "hero" protecting his country.
I lol'd very hard.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Devin on September 27, 2012, 08:18:51 pm
Protecting his country by invading others?  :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on September 27, 2012, 09:18:48 pm
Not a hero at all... Idiot running round in the open with no cover shooting into the distance at nothing.. They call him a hero, I call him a zero.  :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: JayL on September 28, 2012, 01:31:13 am
Nice hi-tech weaponry top technology best training GANSTA ARMY CO
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on September 28, 2012, 02:00:44 am
He should have gone akimbo running spec.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Omar Aly on September 28, 2012, 01:24:34 pm
Man pro tactic, that's the reason cops don't get 2K armour IG  :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on September 28, 2012, 02:09:17 pm
It's kinda like the bunnyhop + combat style non-RPers use in Argonath, so this soldier is a non-RPer. :D
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Dolfagr on September 28, 2012, 02:13:31 pm
Nice game, what's it called?
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on September 28, 2012, 02:15:29 pm
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Nice game, what's it called?

Call of duty 3D
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ragdoll on September 28, 2012, 02:21:45 pm
Yes, 20 seconds to reload. This guy wouldn't survive 20 seconds in a real war.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Gandalf on September 28, 2012, 03:20:35 pm
Yes, 20 seconds to reload. This guy wouldn't survive 20 seconds in a real war.
Not just that... if he was up against someone with a single sniper rifle, the last picture of the camera would be a splatting brain....
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Primus on September 28, 2012, 03:31:49 pm
 :wow: This is nice.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on September 28, 2012, 03:41:09 pm
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Hurray for combat armor

Interesting how he survived 4 blasts from a MACHINE GUN.... Considering machine guns use a quite big caliber.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Gandalf on September 28, 2012, 03:43:52 pm
Interesting how he survived 4 blasts from a MACHINE GUN.... Considering machine guns use a quite big caliber.
Even more surprising they only hit his body armour plate.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Primus on September 28, 2012, 03:47:37 pm
Even more surprising they only hit his body armour plate.

Call of........Superman 3D   :rofl:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ragdoll on September 28, 2012, 03:53:29 pm
Even more surprising they only hit his body armour plate.
He should be the next G.I. Joe. :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on September 28, 2012, 04:40:07 pm
Okay, watched the video now.

Who the fuck calls him a hero? He surely did a great job drawing fire onto himself (according to his statement in a video descr.), but what the fuck, I have no idea how US Army wages their wars, but did he really HAVE TO put an empty mag he was reloading BACK INTO HIS POCKET? Hence the ridiculously big reloading time.

Now, the reason why body armor helped him survive is obvious, that was quite a big range for 7,62 cal to be effective so it isn't that surprising at all. But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with his idea of drawing fire onto himself, going completely out of the blue into this opened space, with having completely no cover at all. And since he was drawing fire for his squad to retreat, what was his point in shouting that he was hit?

Ridiculous.

Even more surprising they only hit his body armour plate.
Video descr. stated that he had something shot off his face
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I was also hit in the side of my helmet and my eye pro was shot off of my face
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Marcell on September 28, 2012, 04:50:26 pm
you call him a hero, so the skinny-ass fanatics shooting at him using only rusty AKs and PKMs with no spare ammo nor any armor are pussies?

also nowadays some body armors (like Dragonskin Armor) are able to resist a full magazine from AK (30 7,62mm rounds) on point blank distance, that's one of reasons why he survived (if he really did get hit)
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on September 28, 2012, 05:38:44 pm
Kirgiz, Empty mags are reusable, when people see them throwing away mags and rockets they bitch about their tax money, so ^^


Not sure when you guys became war veterans and military masterminds, he was shooting towards the enemy, the angle of the camera may make it weird, but you guys have absolutely no idea where they we're or how this all begin, this isn't CoD, Wars are now always fought from 600-800 meters ranges, his fire was to provide cover as he moves down, his plan is to attract fire from the enemy so his squad can move into cover and out of the absolute open, I do agree it's a shitty idea, but also a shitty idea from his Platoon Leader to move his fucking platoon down a hill like when assaulting that town.



Taliban weapons are not exactly the most clean and obviously the range made em almost non effective.


Yes, 20 seconds to reload. This guy wouldn't survive 20 seconds in a real war.

Not sure what a real war for you, but when there's two sides and their shooting at eachother for a period of almost a decade, that's a war for me.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on September 28, 2012, 05:40:54 pm
Not to mention that it reality, a situation where fear and panic can set in.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ragdoll on September 28, 2012, 05:48:56 pm
Not sure what a real war for you, but when there's two sides and their shooting at eachother for a period of almost a decade, that's a war for me.
Yeah, well I'm under the impression that the video is a fake one. What kind of soldier would record himself being the most reckless son of a b***h ever?
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on September 28, 2012, 05:52:01 pm
Yeah, well I'm under the impression that the video is a fake one. What kind of soldier would record himself being the most reckless son of a b***h?


Nope, fucking real, not really Reckless actually, he did manage to get out from the open into the cover behind the rock, surely it wasn't the best action, but if they did nothing they would just keep getting mowed from the fire, they we're in the open on a hard terrain to walk, it's a pretty hard situation to walk away from.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Roske. on September 28, 2012, 05:55:45 pm
shooting blindly, no cover usage, just plain spraying&praying everywhere.
highly doubtable that his is real footage, if he was shot 4 times from a MG he would be in a black bag by now. :roll:
he was non-moving for QUITE some time while reloading,either those tali's are complete noobs w/ weapons, or they are just giving him a head start.... :conf:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ragdoll on September 28, 2012, 06:07:08 pm
Nope, f**king real, not really Reckless actually, he did manage to get out from the open into the cover behind the rock, surely it wasn't the best action, but if they did nothing they would just keep getting mowed from the fire, they we're in the open on a hard terrain to walk, it's a pretty hard situation to walk away from.
Refer to this:
shooting blindly, no cover usage, just plain spraying&praying everywhere.
highly doubtable that his is real footage, if he was shot 4 times from a MG he would be in a black bag by now. :roll:
he was non-moving for QUITE some time while reloading,either those tali's are complete noobs w/ weapons, or they are just giving him a head start.... :conf:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 28, 2012, 07:04:31 pm
I say he was actually aiming and not shooting at the air randomly. It's just the camera that makes us think that he was shooting randomly.

Post Merge: September 28, 2012, 07:05:48 pm
Refer to this:

Refer to this:
Now, the reason why body armor helped him survive is obvious, that was quite a big range for 7,62 cal to be effective so it isn't that surprising at all.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on September 28, 2012, 07:48:08 pm
shooting blindly, no cover usage, just plain spraying&praying everywhere.
highly doubtable that his is real footage, if he was shot 4 times from a MG he would be in a black bag by now. :roll:
he was non-moving for QUITE some time while reloading,either those tali's are complete noobs w/ weapons, or they are just giving him a head start.... :conf:

What cover could he possibly use, they we're in the middle of the open, he was using suppresive fire, just because you cannot see your enemy, does not mean you cannot shoot at it, as I said, in a modern war most of the times you will not see what you are shooting, he was non-moving because he was shot twice by then, the pain plus the combat stress is pretty big, that's why you see him screaming for the medic multiple times, Talibans are non trained and use soviet era guns, they obviously are a "noob"plus as Gandalf said, a 7.62 round at 800 meters would not penetrate his body armor.


Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on September 29, 2012, 07:38:07 am
Kirgiz, Empty mags are reusable

DUH, you always think about recycling when you are getting shot at -- having immediate danger for your life.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Dean. on September 29, 2012, 02:00:10 pm
Ben Samiir would fire him instantly.  :cop:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on September 29, 2012, 02:59:20 pm
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Ben Samiir would fire him instantly.

Ben Samiir would jump around the cliffs using combat shotgun to shoot 5 miles away. It's a fact.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Dean. on September 29, 2012, 04:44:02 pm
Ben Samiir would jump around the cliffs using combat shotgun to shoot 5 miles away. It's a fact.


 :trust:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: jslamm313 on September 29, 2012, 05:03:14 pm
Strange enough the exact text was posted in Dutch today on a Dutch newsblog.
Seems whoever is spreading has a good marketing machine.

As for the soldier... he shoots in the air not actually aimin at anything, runs down a hill without cover.
There are other far more effective methods to draw enemy fire as emulating a first time player in COD.

Gandalf plays COD  :wow:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ragdoll on September 29, 2012, 05:10:58 pm
Gandalf plays COD  :wow:
Yup, I did a 720 headshot on him with MSR Akimbo.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Roske. on September 29, 2012, 05:18:33 pm
Ben Samiir would jump around the cliffs using combat shotgun to shoot 5 miles away. It's a fact.
yeah sure.
he could munch you up before you say 'cookie' .
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Huntsman on September 29, 2012, 05:19:46 pm
Some soldiers use helmet cams, you know.

P.S COD is for pussies, real men play ArmA
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on September 29, 2012, 05:23:04 pm
Ben Samiir would fire him instantly.  :cop:
No Ben Samiir would just give the soldier a mod that allows him to walk through flying bullets.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Devin on September 29, 2012, 06:32:38 pm
No Ben Samiir would just give the soldier a mod that allows him to walk through flying bullets.

 :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on September 29, 2012, 10:06:24 pm
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yeah sure.
he could munch you up before you say 'cookie' .

COOKIE
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Devin on September 30, 2012, 01:04:59 am
COOKIE

/me looks at Alan
He looks pretty much alive still.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Dean. on October 01, 2012, 06:34:25 pm
Damn.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Chris_Knight on October 02, 2012, 01:43:42 pm
None have any right to say what is right and what is wrong as far you haven't been in war and situation as this your self. Your opinion is indeed just your opinion but they all base on one simple fact,judgement towards something that haven't been experienced. That's how internet culture is and always been and always remain .
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 04:26:53 pm
Mikal is right here.
America invests an immense amount of money in training of US Marines / army etc.
People calling this failure a hero are either too patriotic or blinded.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 03, 2012, 07:15:30 pm
Mikal is right here.
America invests an immense amount of money in training of US Marines / army etc.
People calling this failure a hero are either too patriotic or blinded.
Finally! Someone who doesn't just go 'Oh hey a soldier, he's doing a great thing for his country and deserves to be called a hero' - Not all soldiers are great, theres been claims of US soldiers shooting random civilians dead, raping/attacking women, and this soldier was just being idiotic, thank you Crook.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 07:35:03 pm
Not all soldiers are great, theres been claims of US soldiers shooting random civilians dead, raping/attacking women
Yeah true.
Also soldiers throwing animals of cliffs and sick shit like that.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 03, 2012, 07:52:14 pm
Finally! Someone who doesn't just go 'Oh hey a soldier, he's doing a great thing for his country and deserves to be called a hero' - Not all soldiers are great, theres been claims of US soldiers shooting random civilians dead, raping/attacking women, and this soldier was just being idiotic, thank you Crook.


Sorry but I don't see that soldier shooting civilians or killing animals.
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I'm not calling him a hero, what I don't agree is with you saying he was acting idiotic in a shitty ass moment, why ? Because I dare any of you could do anything better than he did, and as a matter of fact, his actions may have saved the live of others, by moving forward and shooting back at the enemy, he drew fire from the rest of his squad, which managed to provide suppresing fire back and have a moment to think a next action, he managed to get his squad from getting suppresed by an MG that was shooting from 300 meters way, his actions may have not been the best, but a shitty situations require desperate actions, not all soldiers are great, no, but this one didn't do shit that would made you call him that, infact, his only actions we're of bravery from getting shot, managing to keep moving and helping his squad as he saw fit, Noone called him a hero, but calling him a douche is just being a unrespectfull asshole.


again, it's very easy to judge someone actions when you're behind your little computer acting all tough guy on the internet, but I doubt any of us could of done better, This generation is too used with their little CoD minds, that getting shot in the face repeatedly has no emotional effect on you, some people really need to get off their computers a little bit more and remember how is life outside, and how none of you can walk 5 kilometers with a shit ton of equipment in the back, get shot and manage to return fire.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 08:02:16 pm
^ Saving lifes by invading a country.
Ok.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Y2JFaN on October 03, 2012, 09:40:52 pm
^ Saving lifes by invading a country.
Ok.
Thats besides the point. Regardless of whether or not USA should be there (Which I'm sure you are an expert of knowledge in, or so you act like), he (himself) and his soldier mates (them) are saved or given an easier route of exit by causing a distraction. His method is not the best but in his situation it was enough to work (despite a few close calls, those of which he was sure he was risking the moment he signed up) and do as he planned, act as a distraction. So don't bring up the 'US Should not be there' bullshit because it is not a real argument in this situation.

Yeah true.
Also soldiers throwing animals of cliffs and sick shit like that.
Few sad sacks of people, and thats not just by US, there are so many corrupt people who are misfit soldiers, to blame the US as a whole (or the whole Army) for a few sick incidents is silly.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 10:14:49 pm
not a real argument in this situation.
his actions may have saved the live of others
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Y2JFaN on October 03, 2012, 10:18:13 pm
Thats besides the point. Regardless of whether or not USA should be there (Which I'm sure you are an expert of knowledge in, or so you act like), he (himself) and his soldier mates (them) are saved or given an easier route of exit by causing a distraction. His method is not the best but in his situation it was enough to work (despite a few close calls, those of which he was sure he was risking the moment he signed up) and do as he planned, act as a distraction. So don't bring up the 'US Should not be there' bullshit because it is not a real argument in this situation.

Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 10:19:28 pm

What?
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 03, 2012, 10:31:11 pm



Saved the lives of others, aka, his fellow squad members.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 03, 2012, 10:33:35 pm

Saved the lives of others, aka, his fellow squad members.
You really think he has done that?
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: John_Goldman on October 03, 2012, 10:56:54 pm
^ Saving lifes by invading a country.
Ok.
Yes, Al Qaeda is much weaker now, therefore, innocent lives are saved.


And Mikal, why are you taking all your anger out on this U.S soldier when soldiers from the U.K are doing the exact same thing, do you hate your own soldiers too ??? You just magically assume it's only the U.S over there? Countries you'd never think are over there ensuring that no more terrorist attacks happen again. You'd be very surprised on how many countries are really involved in the middle east.


    NATO: A contingent of around 150 advisers under the separate command NATO Training Mission - Iraq-(withdrawn 12/11)
     United States: 150,000 invasion 165,000 peak-(withdrawn 12/11)
     United Kingdom: 46,000 invasion (withdrawn 5/11)
     Australia: 2,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)
     Romania: 730 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/09)
     El Salvador: 380 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 1/09)
     Estonia: 40 troops (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 1/09)
     Bulgaria: 485 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Moldova: 24 peak (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Albania: 240 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Ukraine: 1,650 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Denmark: 545 peak (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Czech Republic: 300 peak (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     South Korea: 3,600 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04-withdrawn 12/08)
     Tonga: 55 troops (deployed 7/04-withdrawn 12/08)
     Azerbaijan: 250 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Singapore: 175 offshore (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
     Bosnia and Herzegovina: 85 peak (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 11/08)
     Macedonia: 77 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/08)
     Latvia: 136 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 11/08)
     Poland: 200 invasion—2,500 peak (withdrawn 10/08)
     Kazakhstan: 29 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 10/08)
     Armenia: 46 troops (deployed 1/05-withdrawn 10/08)
     Mongolia: 180 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 09/08)
     Georgia: 2,000 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/08)
Hell, there are some countries I haven't even heard of fighting over there.

And that's not even it.
So, I'm not exactly sure why you're only ranting on the U.S, why aren't you ranting on Latvia ??
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Y2JFaN on October 04, 2012, 12:20:25 am
You really think he has done that?
Yes. IF not saved, then made easier or safer. He was obviously in a group with others and he risked himself, sending himself out there to distract the gun fire to himself, allowing the others to get an easier escape or route.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on October 05, 2012, 12:26:01 pm
And Who the f**k said that Mikal? Quote someone who said he is a hero because he is a soldier?
Objection.
He didn't claim he was called a hero because he is a soldier. You are showing off your reading skills there with a pint.

And about people who called him hero:

Go to this page and press CTRL + F, type in hero, look especially on the earliest pages. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g#)
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 05, 2012, 05:59:17 pm
Please tell me more about your past experiences in warfare, because I'm too CoD kid to understand you.

basically your view on everyone who rightfully bashed that soldier. you are right that people are not right calling him an idiot but you are not right with saying that they are not right, because how right can you be if you haven't experienced anything yourself OR you outrightfully show you base opinions about people OVER THE INTERNET.



Post Merge: October 05, 2012, 12:46:03 pm
Objection.
He didn't claim he was called a hero because he is a soldier. You are showing off your reading skills there with a pint.

And about people who called him hero:

Go to this page and press CTRL + F, type in hero, look especially on the earliest pages. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g#)


Yes you are right, I have not experienced anything like this, that is why I said "I doubt any of US could of done better", I did not experience World War 2 to know I should respect any soldier that fought in it;

Pretty much Innocent untill prove guilty applies here, I respect any soldier, be it Taliban, be it American, that is fighting for their cause, untill they do something that is fucked up and cruel, and as long as I can tell, that soldier only risked his own life, which in my book is ok.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Huntsman on October 06, 2012, 09:21:41 pm
Atleast the guy was ready to sacrifice for something, to safe his friends, while you are doing nothing, wasting your life, sitting in front of your monitor, playing very sinister and clever, criticizing him of his absurd act.

If you wouldnt die for something, then you're not capable of living.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 06, 2012, 09:26:16 pm
Atleast the guy was ready to sacrifice for something, to safe his friends, while you are doing nothing, wasting your life, sitting in front of your monitor, playing very sinister and clever, criticizing him of his absurd act.

If you wouldnt die for something, then you're not capable of living.
If I had to join the army I would, TBH I'de rather nuke the whole taliban continent to save military expenses, but thats just me.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 06, 2012, 09:28:09 pm
If I had to join the army I would, TBH I'de rather nuke the whole taliban continent to save military expenses, but thats just me.

And kill at lest 300 thousand innocents.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 06, 2012, 10:46:46 pm
And kill at lest 300 thousand innocents.
Oh, America did way worse to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and more.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 06, 2012, 11:13:14 pm
Oh, America did way worse to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and more.
Exactly. :lol:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 06, 2012, 11:28:41 pm
All the European nations or related did evil towards humanity than good.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 06, 2012, 11:37:19 pm
Oh, America did way worse to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and more.

And how did we went to this ? I am not defending a country, I think it's fucked up what America did with Hiroshima, and also fucked up what they do to Afghanistan, what i'm defending are the soldiers, who are fighting for their countries, as I also defend Taliban soldiers.

All the European nations or related did evil towards humanity than good.

Flash News : all nations in the world did evil towards humanity than good ? Why ? Because it is the humans nature to fuck each other up, and we don't have anyone else other than ourselves to fuck over.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: JDC on October 07, 2012, 10:18:40 am
Some trash taken out of the topic. Appalling how some individuals are unable to maintain a discussion on a controversial subject without resorting to childish insults and petty flaming. If you will argue in this board, then stick to destroying the ideas, not the person.

Warnings given. Those who want to fill the topic with trash will be punished as necessary. Now back on topic.



Perhaps we should credit the fact that the soldier still helped save the lives of his squad, even if his actions were reckless. You cannot absolutely glorify or condemn his actions.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 07, 2012, 11:18:52 pm
what i'm defending are the soldiers, who are fighting for their countries
fighting for their countries
What the hell
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Y2JFaN on October 08, 2012, 04:45:11 pm
Oh, America did way worse to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and more.
Yes, more Anti-American talk. But again, at least its right. But do you have to label America as the bad guy every time? Why is this propaganda spreading on the internet to make America seem like the devil of war?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unfortunate events, indeed though. But in hind sight, Japan's refusal to surrender (After warning and continue of the pacific war) was as much of a cause of deaths(indirectly) than Fat man and Little boy(directly).  But that is out of the question of the topic.

If I had to join the army I would, TBH I'de rather nuke the whole taliban continent to save military expenses, but thats just me.
But Mikal, you are going to slay hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 08, 2012, 05:15:07 pm
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Yes, more Anti-American talk. But again, at least its right. But do you have to label America as the bad guy every time? Why is this propaganda spreading on the internet to make America seem like the devil of war?

Because it is a big bad boy since the time when Europeans migrated. Right, lets forget about what the Americans did to the natives, Iraq and so on. CHEESE BURGER FOR 95 CENTS IS OUTRAGEOUS!


Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on October 08, 2012, 05:22:51 pm
Yes, more Anti-American talk. But again, at least its right. But do you have to label America as the bad guy every time? Why is this propaganda spreading on the internet to make America seem like the devil of war?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unfortunate events, indeed though. But in hind sight, Japan's refusal to surrender (After warning and continue of the pacific war) was as much of a cause of deaths(indirectly) than Fat man and Little boy(directly).  But that is out of the question of the topic.
But Mikal, you are going to slay hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Why America is labeled as bad guy to non-Americans very often is because America actually is bad.
Dig into your history books and watch what they all did since the moment colonists arrived in America (when the native Americans were still there).
They do a good job at covering it all up, but that's all media.

America is probably the most wrong country in our world.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 08, 2012, 05:45:24 pm
Except in video gaming or we would be playing tetris argonath mmo.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on October 08, 2012, 07:46:02 pm
the soldiers, who are fighting for their countries, as I also defend Taliban soldiers.
Woah woah woah, stop it there fella, you're going full retard mode.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 08, 2012, 09:42:33 pm
Woah woah woah, stop it there fella, you're going full retard mode.

They are fighting for a cause, they had their country invaded and they are fighting for it, sure, the retards who use little kids are fucking scum that should die.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 08, 2012, 10:21:57 pm
take that videogames
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on October 09, 2012, 01:42:17 pm
They are fighting for a cause, they had their country invaded and they are fighting for it, sure, the retards who use little kids are f**king scum that should die.
Who invaded Afghanistan? Right now I'm not talking about Taliban (hence I fucking even strokethrough that part), I'm talking about NATO soldiers. How are they fighting for their countries, for their NATO?
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: rentedh1tm4nben on October 09, 2012, 03:23:31 pm
Yes, 20 seconds to reload. This guy wouldn't survive 20 seconds in a real war.

he is not in close quarters so it dousen't really matter because he wont get the mg anyway since he is way to far away and thats a short barrel m4 and there is a thing called gravity
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Wolfe on October 10, 2012, 12:29:13 am
Who invaded Afghanistan? Right now I'm not talking about Taliban (hence I f**king even strokethrough that part), I'm talking about NATO soldiers. How are they fighting for their countries, for their NATO?

Ah, misunderstood ya :P Well, you see, for Americans they have some feeling of hunting down those who are responsible for the attacks, I'm with ya in this, I do not agree with the invasion of Afghanistan by them, but when you join the Armed forces, you are fighting for your country, that does not mean only in the defensive, that's what I was saying, in their minds, they are fighting for a cause they deem worth, although we may not agree with that, we must respect, and maybe fight for our own causes.


I'm reading a book about the Battle of Arnhem, and it interviews a British soldier, who was injured, he was in a basement of house that was in fire, with another 100 injured and dying people aswell as allot of bodies, they got captured by a German Wehrmacht General, not one of the nazi psychos that tortured everyone, the general sent his soldiers to retrieve the British injured, the german soldiers gave the injured food from their own rations, as they we're being brought back through German lines, the germans would say " Good fight, good luck" that kind of thing, they respected their enemies, they we're two sides in a war, but in the end, they're all soldiers, their doing their jobs, they are fighting for what they think is right. and that was in a time there was allot of hatred between both sides, since the SS Generals and Hitler we're indeed a bunch of crazy ass motherfuckers, but in that time, Most generals and soldiers from the regular army did not know of what was going on, they just saw themselves in a war, their country had been fucked by everyone in WW1, they wanted revenge, their leader gave em courage and made it possible for them to become powerfull, and their morale was high, and so they fought.

So, tl;dr, The leaders of the countries are the messed up ones, they are the ones that cause the wars and they are responsible for every bullet that is shot, the soldiers, they are in a war, it is a terrible thing, yes, but they are doing their jobs.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 10, 2012, 01:55:58 pm
So, tl;dr, The leaders of the countries are the messed up ones, they are the ones that cause the wars and they are responsible for every bullet that is shot, the soldiers, they are in a war, it is a terrible thing, yes, but they are doing their jobs.
No since SOME countries go to war just to make peace, would you want a country to exist thats ran by the Taliban? I highly doubt you would.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Alan.Wake on October 10, 2012, 03:34:54 pm
-America goes to Afghanistan to make a local group to fight against the Russians.
-Leaves the group alone for some years.
-America returns to Afghanistan to eliminate a group made by themselves for peace by making war.
-F*** logic.

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would you want a country to exist thats ran by the Taliban? I highly doubt you would.

Would i want a country that ran by warmongers? I speak of America not Taliban.  I won't apply other negative things that America or some other western country contains because you or others would probably drag it to some other new level.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Dillon on October 13, 2012, 01:11:13 am
Strange enough the exact text was posted in Dutch today on a Dutch newsblog.
Seems whoever is spreading has a good marketing machine.

As for the soldier... he shoots in the air not actually aimin at anything, runs down a hill without cover.
There are other far more effective methods to draw enemy fire as emulating a first time player in COD.

I don't believe he was shooting into the air I can't tell where the enemies are shooting at them from if it's like most fights there on the hill on the other side and judging the distance compensating for the Coriolis effect he is aiming at that other hill perfectly. And he was being covered by the rest of his group, the main evidence of that is the amount of dust that is coming from each side of him because he doesn't look back at the rest of the soldiers I can't say for certain.

After he was hit however he was only giving cover fire.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 13, 2012, 01:45:19 pm
I don't believe he was shooting into the air I can't tell where the enemies are shooting at them from if it's like most fights there on the hill on the other side and judging the distance compensating for the Coriolis effect he is aiming at that other hill perfectly. And he was being covered by the rest of his group, the main evidence of that is the amount of dust that is coming from each side of him because he doesn't look back at the rest of the soldiers I can't say for certain.

After he was hit however he was only giving cover fire.
TBH, it looks like the Taliban in this video have far better shooting skills than the actual soldier, if his cover fire was any good maybe he wouldn't have been being shot at, of course I've never been in combat with bullets flying everywhere, but my guess is I'de being giving cover fire from somewhere else not the actual cliff face they are shooing at, I'd also guess he was purposly trying to get shot in order to get out of the army sooner.. :redface:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on October 27, 2012, 12:12:16 pm
None of you clearly has any idea of what cover fire is.

The idea of covering fire is to gain attention on yourself by shooting. No one else was shooting except him, so he pretty much did provide covering fire.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Y2JFaN on October 28, 2012, 02:51:57 am
TBH, it looks like the Taliban in this video have far better shooting skills than the actual soldier, if his cover fire was any good maybe he wouldn't have been being shot at, of course I've never been in combat with bullets flying everywhere, but my guess is I'de being giving cover fire from somewhere else not the actual cliff face they are shooing at, I'd also guess he was purposly trying to get shot in order to get out of the army sooner.. :redface:
when you're moving and shooting, its difficult tobe accurate with such a range. Those shooting at him were probably at a distance to be still and not moving, also probably covered enough to not be shot, otherwise cover fire might not have been needed in the first place.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Mikal on October 29, 2012, 12:52:36 pm
when you're moving and shooting, its difficult tobe accurate with such a range. Those shooting at him were probably at a distance to be still and not moving, also probably covered enough to not be shot, otherwise cover fire might not have been needed in the first place.
It's said the people higher up in a battle have the advantage, just strange how the US soldier was being a clown, such behavior shouldn't be tolerated, he should have been punished not called a hero, I mean if he's a hero then I'de like to see America's worst soldiers.. :roll:
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: KhornateMonkey on October 29, 2012, 08:34:56 pm
None of you clearly has any idea of what cover fire is.

The idea of covering fire is to gain attention on yourself by shooting. No one else was shooting except him, so he pretty much did provide covering fire.

No, you clearly have no idea what covering fire is.  Covering fire is basically suppressive fire,  used to decrease the accuracy of the enemy. If the enemy can't shoot accurately it dramatically decreases the chance he will hit you when he shoots at you. Also, when you provide covering fire, you don't run down a hill shooting randomly. Covering fire is to suppress the enemy so that a member or certain group can move to a position.

Saving Private Ryan - Covering Fire! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axd1ItoLnAU#ws)
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Kirgiz on October 29, 2012, 10:34:56 pm
No, you clearly have no idea what covering fire is.  Covering fire is basically suppressive fire,  used to decrease the accuracy of the enemy. If the enemy can't shoot accurately it dramatically decreases the chance he will hit you when he shoots at you. Also, when you provide covering fire, you don't run down a hill shooting randomly. Covering fire is to suppress the enemy so that a member or certain group can move to a position.

Saving Private Ryan - Covering Fire! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axd1ItoLnAU#ws)
Using movies for an accurate description?

Either way, according to some googling, they are more-over synonymous but covering fire is not always a suppressive fire, it's still used more to gain attention instead. Which he did :).
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: KhornateMonkey on October 29, 2012, 11:26:50 pm
Using movies for an accurate description?

Quickest example I could find.

Must be one of the most stupid ways to get the enemies attention in a fire fight.
Title: Re: U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight
Post by: Huntsman on November 01, 2012, 05:30:06 pm
What he did was indeed honorable, we cant blame him for his governments stupidity, he's just doing his duty. It's not his fault the government of his motherland is so oil-thirsty.
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