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Title: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Teddy on December 21, 2012, 02:25:16 am
Just yesterday, Obama announced Joe Biden will be leading a team of individuals to quickly "reform" gun control laws around the United States. He asked for proposals do be done "no further" than January. This is no delay after the recent shootings that have left over 200 dead in the last few months alone due to mass shootings in the United States.

Since the last shooting, my personal views on gun control have changed drastically. I'm interested to see where this takes us and when this get fully instated.

Obama's Plan for Gun Reform (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhoLkmUO7Bs#ws)

Other Sources
http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-announces-joe-biden-to-lead-gun-control-reform-after-shooting (http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-announces-joe-biden-to-lead-gun-control-reform-after-shooting)
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/obama_asks_biden_to_lead_gun_c.html (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/obama_asks_biden_to_lead_gun_c.html)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/guns_12-19.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/guns_12-19.html)
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Taylor_P on December 21, 2012, 11:16:08 am
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns, how many poor children have died in gang related shootings and no 1 seemed to give a fuck in the government but kill kids close to home for middle class white suburbia and its like 9/11 all over again. Hell next we'll see Obama in a flight suit on the USS. George W Bush saying "We won the War on Terror" Bah stupidity inbreeds with its self and just creates a plague. So now how do I defend my self, pray to god the cops show up? Oh funny thing cops aren't getting there guns removed, if you do it for one person do it for all or dont do it at all because then its not justice is Scapegoating.

I think today will mark the end of an era, one of gun control or anything else once we start this, where does it stop. Hell I've seen schools now rush to hire more "security' bull shit this aint Gaza strip why the hell do we need armed guards at schools? Now i bet Homeland security will have liaisons in schools with "random searches" hell I was thinking it was crazy to think the US was going into a Police state but looks like its going to happen.

The blood of the innocent is the paint on the wall that will usher in the era of subjugation and submission or else (pic Relevant)

(http://www.transcend.ws/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PoliceState.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Devin on December 21, 2012, 11:19:24 am
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns, how many poor children have died in gang related shootings and no 1 seemed to give a f**k in the government but kill kids close to home for middle class white suburbia and its like 9/11 all over again.

Racist much? It's not only white people that were shot in many of these instances.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Teddy on December 21, 2012, 11:48:50 am
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns, how many poor children have died in gang related shootings and no 1 seemed to give a f**k in the government but kill kids close to home for middle class white suburbia and its like 9/11 all over again. Hell next we'll see Obama in a flight suit on the USS. George W Bush saying "We won the War on Terror" Bah stupidity inbreeds with its self and just creates a plague. So now how do I defend my self, pray to god the cops show up? Oh funny thing cops aren't getting there guns removed, if you do it for one person do it for all or dont do it at all because then its not justice is Scapegoating

The picture is not relevant and you are clearly misinformed as to what is going on in society. First off, these are not rich white kids. They are just innocent young middle class children and it isn't just the televised shootings. Its other shootings, in all sort of neighborhoods. The idea won't be to remove guns we all know that isn't possible. The manner will be making it harder to get them.

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I think today will mark the end of an era, one of gun control or anything else once we start this, where does it stop. Hell I've seen schools now rush to hire more "security' bull shit this aint Gaza strip why the hell do we need armed guards at schools? Now i bet Homeland security will have liaisons in schools with "random searches" hell I was thinking it was crazy to think the US was going into a Police state but looks like its going to happen.

You watch a lot of American news networks don't you? Your lack of the truth and real knowledge demonstrates it. Do some actual research into the matter by non-government funded or ran sites, which includes wikipedia.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Mikal on December 21, 2012, 12:02:50 pm
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns
Would you be saying that if a few black kids were also in the school where all the white kids got shot..? :poke:
And who said anything about them being rich?
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: [WS]Jacob on December 22, 2012, 12:22:11 am
Obama on the response to violence and what he is doing.
http://youtu.be/u5ynVMBxOus
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: John_Goldman on December 22, 2012, 03:22:50 am
Good bye second amendment, good bye Bill of Rights, good bye the old USA. I knew letting a socialist run the free nation would kill it. Good luck Britain, you're the new world super power. The US will probably soon turn on you too.

"After the second amendment goes, the first will soon follow..."

2013 will be the demise of Amercia. 
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: JDC on December 22, 2012, 04:17:14 am
Taylor does have a valid point; the government decided to act only now after middle-class children were killed, after years of poor children dying because of violence.

As for the constitution and the supposed "domino effect" of the amendments, keep in mind that the USA's founding fathers did not have these problems to deal with in their time.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Matt Murdock on December 22, 2012, 11:54:53 pm
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns, how many poor children have died in gang related shootings and no 1 seemed to give a f**k in the government but kill kids close to home for middle class white suburbia and its like 9/11 all over again.
Classifying 6-8 year old kids on their racial basis.

What has this world come to.

Offensive image removed, warning given.

Taylor does have a valid point; the government decided to act only now after middle-class children were killed, after years of poor children dying because of violence.

As for the constitution and the supposed "domino effect" of the amendments, keep in mind that the USA's founding fathers did not have these problems to deal with in their time.
Please show a reference to the poor kids dying thing.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: EliteTerm on December 23, 2012, 09:14:24 am
I find it suspicious when they're demanding a ban on 'assault' rifles when it wasn't even used in the school shooting...
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: KelviNC on December 23, 2012, 09:25:54 am
I find it suspicious when they're demanding a ban on 'assault' rifles when it wasn't even used in the school shooting...

+1
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Mikal on December 23, 2012, 01:53:55 pm
I find it suspicious when they're demanding a ban on 'assault' rifles when it wasn't even used in the school shooting...
Assault rifles, shotguns, hand guns, they can all be used in mass shooting and all need to be removed from the general public.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Batta on December 23, 2012, 01:55:41 pm
I find it suspicious when they're demanding a ban on 'assault' rifles when it wasn't even used in the school shooting...

Guess what they'll use if they don't get banned.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: JDC on December 23, 2012, 02:36:51 pm
Please show a reference to the poor kids dying thing.

Poor, impoverished children dying in poverty or related violence is nothing new, and has been around even before the modern age. It happens everywhere and not just in America.

That is why I find it suspicious that the government decided to act only after more privileged children were targeted, rather than trying to institute reforms that will end violence itself at the grassroots level. Violence among the lower classes has long been around, and so far the government has not spearheaded any move on the same level as Obama's reaction after the recent mass shootings (correct me if I'm wrong) to end it.

Of course, with today's culture, it is only to be expected.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: EliteTerm on December 23, 2012, 06:53:27 pm
Assault rifles, shotguns, hand guns, they can all be used in mass shooting and all need to be removed from the general public.

If that happens, the country would become a police state.

2nd Amendment isn't just about the right to bear arms, but to take action against a tyrannical government.

It also states that in the Declaration Of Independence,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

In what's going on with this country, I won't be surprised when something like this happens.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Matt Murdock on December 23, 2012, 10:44:08 pm
Poor, impoverished children dying in poverty or related violence is nothing new, and has been around even before the modern age. It happens everywhere and not just in America.

That is why I find it suspicious that the government decided to act only after more privileged children were targeted, rather than trying to institute reforms that will end violence itself at the grassroots level. Violence among the lower classes has long been around, and so far the government has not spearheaded any move on the same level as Obama's reaction after the recent mass shootings (correct me if I'm wrong) to end it.

Of course, with today's culture, it is only to be expected.
You do know children dying in Africa from hunger and a brutal massacre are two totally different things?

P.S. I got warned for facepalm pic, wtf o.0
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: JDC on December 26, 2012, 06:48:40 am
You do know children dying in Africa from hunger and a brutal massacre are two totally different things?

I never limited the setting to Africa nor the context to death from hunger. Re-read the post and you shall see that I am referring to child deaths from poverty, as well as violence, the two being closely related in certain areas.

If you assume that death from poverty and violence happen only in Africa, then your knowledge on the issues is severely limited.

P.S. I got warned for facepalm pic, wtf o.0

No, you were warned for posting insulting material, not a "simple facepalm pic", neither was the pic in question free of insults (do the captions ring a bell?). Learn to see the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Teddy on December 31, 2012, 02:34:17 pm
Good bye second amendment, good bye Bill of Rights, good bye the old USA. I knew letting a socialist run the free nation would kill it. Good luck Britain, you're the new world super power. The US will probably soon turn on you too.

So much lack of knowledge here. First, you can't remove the second amendment. Second, you can't remove the bill of rights. Thirdly, its a democratic view not really a socialist so stop reading fox news. Lastly, the United States and United Kingdom are strong allies and the US would never "turn" on them, IF anything the US would turn to them for insight or a helping hand.

Taylor does have a valid point; the government decided to act only now after middle-class children were killed, after years of poor children dying because of violence.

As for the constitution and the supposed "domino effect" of the amendments, keep in mind that the USA's founding fathers did not have these problems to deal with in their time.

While I can't truely debate the fact that it did take the slaughter of 20 children as a wake up call, he did address that this is an action needed after the numerous attacks we have had on places around the United States since Columbine, various sources report roughly 20 school shootings since then, and over 70 mass shooting since Columbine which was only in 1999. Additionally he specified the Colorado movie theater shooting, whichhad vicitims of multiple social classes, gender and race; while it wasn't the "wakeup" call it was a strike in support of the agenda.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 01, 2013, 07:23:53 am
I never limited the setting to Africa nor the context to death from hunger. Re-read the post and you shall see that I am referring to child deaths from poverty, as well as violence, the two being closely related in certain areas.

If you assume that death from poverty and violence happen only in Africa, then your knowledge on the issues is severely limited.

No, you were warned for posting insulting material, not a "simple facepalm pic", neither was the pic in question free of insults (do the captions ring a bell?). Learn to see the bigger picture.
Off topic to answer you : I did not write those captions, neither did I find another picture with ''double facepalm'', and I obviously couldn't find a way to remove already typed captions on a picture.


And again, I've never heard of children dying in violence before this.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Teddy on January 02, 2013, 11:00:37 am
And again, I've never heard of children dying in violence before this.

Since 1999 there has been 17 school shootings in the United States alone, 14 additional elsewhere in the world.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Dolfagr on January 02, 2013, 06:20:54 pm
And again, I've never heard of children dying in violence before this.

Syria, every day??
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Mobius on January 02, 2013, 06:36:12 pm
So rich white kids die and now we have to change our stance on guns, how many poor children have died in gang related shootings and no 1 seemed to give a f**k in the government but kill kids close to home for middle class white suburbia and its like 9/11 all over again. Hell next we'll see Obama in a flight suit on the USS. George W Bush saying "We won the War on Terror" Bah stupidity inbreeds with its self and just creates a plague. So now how do I defend my self, pray to god the cops show up? Oh funny thing cops aren't getting there guns removed, if you do it for one person do it for all or dont do it at all because then its not justice is Scapegoating.

I think today will mark the end of an era, one of gun control or anything else once we start this, where does it stop. Hell I've seen schools now rush to hire more "security' bull shit this aint Gaza strip why the hell do we need armed guards at schools? Now i bet Homeland security will have liaisons in schools with "random searches" hell I was thinking it was crazy to think the US was going into a Police state but looks like its going to happen.

The blood of the innocent is the paint on the wall that will usher in the era of subjugation and submission or else (pic Relevant)

(http://www.transcend.ws/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PoliceState.jpg)


Your comment is so wrong in many places.. Seriously? Ill state why here:
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I think today will mark the end of an era, one of gun control or anything else once we start this, where does it stop. Hell I've seen schools now rush to hire more "security' bull shit this aint Gaza strip why the hell do we need armed guards at schools

Oh, so you think your country changes because your not allowed to carry guns. Everyone else than you, north americans, thinks your damn wrong about weaponry use and purchase. In here we got a show called CQC that showed how easy was it for a 4 years old to shoot an ak47 his parents bought in the US. Where's the so called "protection" or safety? You dont use guns only in emergency ocations you got a huge culture about it so dont try to make Obama guilty of your Rambo sake. Security companies are authorized so carry guns and so and its obvious they and the state forces should be the only ones allowed to carry them! GAZA STRIP? Thats racist you kow, theres armed guards everywhere what the fuck makes you think it only happens in Gaza strip? Your damn missinformed.

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So now how do I defend my self, pray to god the cops show up

... Where can I start... NO ONE would ever think about killing the robber. You may think yourself you are a hero, but your going to jail anyways! Even if you kill a burglar you still get charges on ya for murder. Too much GTA dude... Your supposed to call for cops. Plus you got a decent police force, have you seen how it is in other countrys? Having a gun takes dozens of issues and shit befor you can grip on one. Then in US, with the excuse of defending themselves people like FPSRussia shoot miniguns in a lake, yeah.

Think it like this: The maniacs wouldnt have it so easy to commit such crimes if not for how easy it is to purchase weaponry in USA.
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 03, 2013, 10:39:05 am
Since 1999 there has been 17 school shootings in the United States alone, 14 additional elsewhere in the world.
I have indeed heard of High school shootings, but 4-8 year old kids, that's just sick. :/

Syria, every day??
Umm, Where's Syria?  :roll:
Title: Re: Obama takes iniative on gun laws reform
Post by: Wolfe on January 04, 2013, 06:50:28 pm
I have indeed heard of High school shootings, but 4-8 year old kids, that's just sick. :/
Umm, Where's Syria?  :roll:

Someone needs to watch the news channel abit more often.
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