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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Reece on January 22, 2013, 09:07:30 pm
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(CNN) -- Officials believe two students were wounded in crossfire as two people shot at each other at a Texas community college Tuesday, a school spokesman said.
One of the shooters was also injured and is in custody at the North Harris Campus of Lone Star College, spokesman Jed Young said. The other shooter fled the campus, he said.
"The police believe the danger has been mitigated," Young said. "The school is under control but still being evacuated."
There were more than 10,000 students at the campus at the time of the shooting, Young said.
"Please don't go to campus! If you are on campus. Use caution!" a post on the school's Facebook page said.
Police and emergency responders swarmed an entrance to the campus, aerial video from KPRC showed.
Medical personnel were seen treating at least two people and moving them to ambulances. Students were jogging away from some buildings, with their hands up in the air, presumably in response to police instruction.
One student, speaking to CNN affiliate KTRK, reported hearing five gunshots outside a breezeway between a cafe and a library.
Another witness told KTRK he saw blood on the ground and someone shot in the leg.
"Beside him, there was one guy in handcuffs," he said.
"I just heard somebody screaming and then after that I heard the shots," another student told KPRC.
The Lone Star College system is the largest institution of higher education in the Houston area, and the fastest-growing community college system in Texas, according to its website.
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thanks for sharing
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And... Another?
These things are getting pretty intense.. And more, and more common.
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Before a ban on guns they need ot finish all of them?
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This gun thing is getting out of hand.
All i hope that in respect of the family and friends of people who have been victim of gun violence, they will honored them with a 21 century gun law.
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Yeah I disagree with a ban on guns, it's sad indeed, it happens yes, but banning all guns? Is that honestly the way to go surely there are less restrictive ways to go about preventing this. I live in a town with 100 people and about 200 guns...to imagine it any different is something that I just can not comprehend, and what about the people living in the wilderness in Alaska? We just force them to an urban center? It's like Russia banning all guns from Siberia.
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Yeah I disagree with a ban on guns, it's sad indeed, it happens yes, but banning all guns? Is that honestly the way to go surely there are less restrictive ways to go about preventing this. I live in a town with 100 people and about 200 guns...to imagine it any different is something that I just can not comprehend, and what about the people living in the wilderness in Alaska? We just force them to an urban center? It's like Russia banning all guns from Siberia.
Do you need a full automatic machine gun to protect yourself?
Do you need a machine pistol to go out hunting?
Ofcourse you don't, yet you can buy these guns for a couple of hundred bucks.
I think its wise to indeed start a ban on these kinda weapons, it would be a good start.
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Well, let's take into consideration something, I may not need them but there not exactly the problem by the way.
http://youtu.be/WhB8hNm1kow (http://youtu.be/WhB8hNm1kow)
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Well, let's take into consideration something, I may not need them but there not exactly the problem by the way.
http://youtu.be/WhB8hNm1kow (http://youtu.be/WhB8hNm1kow)
I know crime rate has dropped in the last 20 year, but you wanna know why?
Its because rules get more strict and criminals don't get that much open air anymore.
They are making progress, but the finish line is still far away.
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....not really man you need to live here to understand, plus in my state fully automatic guns are banned already, so...
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I know crime rate has dropped in the last 20 year, but you wanna know why?
Its because rules get more strict and criminals don't get that much open air anymore.
They are making progress, but the finish line is still far away.
The finish line will never be in sight. And that includes every country in the world.
....not really man you need to live here to understand, plus in my state fully automatic guns are banned already, so...
Fully automatic firearms are banned federally, not by state.
As I've said before, a full gun ban will never happen. Not to mention it's unconstitutional. A partial ban could be implemented, as well as licensing precautions for the remaining weapons. The problem with that is the number of firearms already in circulation. Both registered and illegal.
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....not really man you need to live here to understand, plus in my state fully automatic guns are banned already, so...
I understand your point, i really do.
I'm not talking about every single place in the USA, i'm sure there are many places that the streets are safe.
But lets be honest for a second, the moment a mental unstable boy walks into a school with a loaded full automatic machine gun, something is wrong.
And it seems there is no way at the moment with these kinda laws to keep this from not happening anymore, so i think its the duty of people who are in charge of it to make a chance.
Chances are made slowly, one step at a time.
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Banning guns entirely isn't a feasible solution for current day America sadly. Looking at statistics most crimes involving fire arms in the United States are done so with weapons illegal firearms and banning them won't stop it since well....... criminals don't really follow laws all to well. Banning weapons will lead to the same outburst and violence seen during the prohibition of Alcohol which was a terrible, terrible period of crime and violent strings and yet thousands upon thousands continued to produce, and purchase Alcohol during this period.
But lets be honest for a second, the moment a mental unstable boy walks into a school with a loaded full automatic machine gun, something is wrong.
Please provide a link to an incident since Columbine where a legally used fully automatic weapon was used in a mass shooting. You won't, it hasn't happened.
For the record, I agree with stricter control on a weapon purchases and weapon storage. Weapons shouldn't be as easy as 1,2,3 to purchase. Additionally they need be locked and stored where family (children, and other unstable persons) can't access them so easily. Banning weapons isn't the solution and would cause more outbursts anyways.
Looking at the facts.... United Kingdom citizens are the first to criticize us on our "gun violence". However, during the last few years the most violent country in Europe was the UK.
Additionally compared to other countries with gun ownership we have strikingly the largest amount of gun ownership than any other country, to support many facts we would assume that the United States has the highest gun violence due to this correct? Actually, again here the case if false. There are countries with close to equal gun ownership and far surpass our violence in guns, and even some that are above us that have far less guns per citizen. So the hypothesis more guns equals more gun violence is a mere false theory.
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Looking at the facts.... United Kingdom citizens are the first to criticize us on our "gun violence". However, during the last few years the most violent country in Europe was the UK.
I was actually planning to have a casual debate with you but after reading that statement, nevermind it.
So sad to see people still pointing their little finger at someone else.
I have problems taking people serious from the USA that start conversations with "Us" and "Our" and then start pointing their finger at other countries acting like they where a part of important decisions of "Their" country.
But i'm going to throw in the towel because i see where this is going.
Have a nice evening.
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I was actually planning to have a casual debate with you but after reading that statement, nevermind it.
So sad to see people still pointing their little finger at someone else.
I have problems taking people serious from the USA that start conversations with "Us" and "Our" and then start pointing their finger at other countries acting like they where a part of important decisions of "Their" country.
But i'm going to throw in the towel because i see where this is going.
Have a nice evening.
You seem to be confusing pointing the finger and merely stating the facts. While your view and much of others seem to be stated herein my reply, the post makes much more sense. If you continue to actually read what I stated, I'm not pointing fingers or rejecting any other idea as far as sides I'm merely on the same side just I have a different opinion on how to reduce the issue of gun violence in the states, and not ignore it any further.
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Fully automatic firearms are banned federally, not by state.
Not in Nevada
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You really don't get it.
Let's wait for someone you know to get killed that way.. we'll see what you think after that.
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Lately these shootouts appear much like the daily rush-hour.
Where is this part of the world coming to? :neutral:
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You really don't get it.
Let's wait for someone you know to get killed that way.. we'll see what you think after that.
I've actually felt the opposite which is why I feel the way I do. Put stricter limits on who can get guns and how to properly lock and store them. 15 years ago, my cousin stole my uncles gun and while playing with it with a group a friends shot and killed someone point blank on accident. This is why I know the main problem of gun control is how easy it is someone who shouldn't have access to a gun and not the fact of guns in general.
Not in Nevada
Federally means Federally. Just like weed is banned Federally, Cali still permits it to some degree. In the same sense firearms that are fully automatic are federally banned in every state and persons in states that "allow" fully automatic weapons can still face federal charges if pursued by FBI or ATF.
Lately these shootouts appear much like the daily rush-hour.
Where is this part of the world coming to? :neutral:
Part of the world? Read this:
Additionally compared to other countries with gun ownership we have strikingly the largest amount of gun ownership than any other country, to support many facts we would assume that the United States has the highest gun violence due to this correct? Actually, again here the case if false. There are countries with close to equal gun ownership and far surpass our violence in guns, and even some that are above us that have far less guns per citizen. So the hypothesis more guns equals more gun violence is a mere false theory.
I'm not saying we don't have an issue. You are more than correct, these incidents are becoming way to common and it is way beyond acceptable and something needs to be done. I use to go out all the time and the thought of having something like this happen was never on my mind, now its something I think everyone thinks about now in the back of their head.
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I'm not saying we don't have an issue. You are more than correct, these incidents are becoming way to common and it is way beyond acceptable and something needs to be done. I use to go out all the time and the thought of having something like this happen was never on my mind, now its something I think everyone thinks about now in the back of their head.
Certainly. I can know how a resident will feel, paranoid because it could happen in his neighbourhood...
I hope that the ones that can, will take action to this.
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Not in Nevada
They are still banned federally for civilians. There are ways to get them as civilians, but that involves a long process of going through the ATF which would include various background checks and other things. You can't just buy a fully automatic weapon like you could a shotgun or any other long rifle.
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You really don't get it.
Let's wait for someone you know to get killed that way.. we'll see what you think after that.
Win, this goes for everyone who supports guns. :lol:
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You really don't get it.
Let's wait for someone you know to get killed that way.. we'll see what you think after that.
Someone I knew did get killed. If he would of been carrying his .40 like he usually did, maybe he'd still be here. My view on guns haven't changed at all.
Careful what you say next.
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Careful what you say next.
I understand that my message was provocative and could hurt someone. That was the purpose (not that I want to wish death ..).
Someone I knew did get killed. If he would of been carrying his .40 like he usually did, maybe he'd still be here. My view on guns haven't changed at all.
And your view is completely wrong indeed. Keep thinking you're living in the far west, maybe that's just what Americans want.
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And your view is completely wrong indeed. Keep thinking you're living in the far west, maybe that's just what Americans want.
No it's not what we want. In a country where guns are in excess it becomes a necessity to have one yourself just for piece of mind IN CASE anything were to happen. Most people will not ever have to use their gun(s) in self defense, but there are those who do. Guns will never be banned fully in the United States as per the second amendment of the Constitution. So if guns won't disappear the only logical thing to do would be get one yourself.
Majority of people won't be affected by a violent crime directly in their lifetime. But for the ones who are affected, a firearm seems like a pretty good means of self defense when that happens. I carry a gun everywhere I go, does that make me a bad person? No. I myself have been affected by a violent crime, and I resolved it. Wanna know what I used to resolve it? A 12 gauge shell.
All of you have some twisted image that America is a warzone and everyone is carrying a gun on the street. Just because some freak thing happened where some psychopath goes and shoots up a school doesn't mean our whole country is like that. Guns have been part of America since this country was discovered. Yes, there are those who ruin it for all of us and do some stupid shit like shoot up a school, but you gotta think how many people who own guns are actually gonna go do something rash such as that- A very very small percentage. Yes, regulations could be better. Yes, some people don't need guns. And yes, we need a better way to control guns. But guns will not ever go away. Perhaps it's an American thing, but you gotta realize no matter what you say it will not get rid of guns.
A gun doesn't go off by itself. It takes a person to pull the trigger. And it's all up to that person where that bullet will go. Just like the old saying goes: Guns don't kill people, People kill people.
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That's the price of what you call(ed?) freedom.
And if freedom implies innocent kids getting barbarically murdered in the place that should be the symbol of their protection, then feel free to keep that freedom for you.
What you said is right, but still.. you all gave up. Taking guns out of the game is difficult? Where will you go thinking that way? Nowhere.
Even starting to slowly demolishing this part of your culture would be a great sign. That's a huge work.. but if you don't start you'll never get the job done.
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And your view is completely wrong indeed. Keep thinking you're living in the far west, maybe that's just what Americans want.
Honestly? Your missing the point of a view here...you know my opinion then your opinion my cousin was murdered with a gun you seem to believe that the answer is ever so simple and right in front of us, I can assure you if that is what you think then the only person who is wrong here is you, I'm still amazed by how you can simply criticise a view.
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Honestly? Your missing the point of a view here...you know my opinion then your opinion my cousin was murdered with a gun you seem to believe that the answer is ever so simple and right in front of us, I can assure you if that is what you think then the only person who is wrong here is you, I'm still amazed by how you can simply criticise a view.
Complicate problems are complicate, but they may have a simple cause.
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Stop the trolling and provoking. Get back on topic.
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The man in front of me might be carrying a gun so i should carry one aswell.
Am i the only one that thinks that statement is very wrong?
Just imagine yourself sitting in class or at work and some messed up boy (that is having a bad day and access to guns) shoots you right between the eyes.
Or wait, even worse, shoots your wife or kids, taking their life for no reason.
Wouldn't you think for a second if that same boy woulda done something this awfull if he didn't had that gun?
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The man in front of me might be carrying a gun so i should carry one aswell.
Am i the only one that thinks that statement is very wrong?
Just imagine yourself sitting in class or at work and some messed up boy (that is having a bad day and access to guns) shoots you right between the eyes.
Or wait, even worse, shoots your wife or kids, taking their life for no reason.
Wouldn't you think for a second if that same boy woulda done something this awfull if he didn't had that gun?
You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals. Getting weapons is way to easy legal way and illegal way. The United States Government doesn't have the funds or resources to simply withdraw and dismantle all firearms in the country, not to mention the bloodshed that would arise from that movement alone.
I honestly don't feel like saying this but we have so much freedom that our own freedom becomes our own nightmare. Is it bad, yes. Is it worth it? To an extent. I'd hate to be a country where I couldn't do shit. While I think there needs to be more government control, half of you don't even understand or able to comprehend the tragic outrage and violence that would string from banning firearms and all in all, it won't reduce anything. Crime happens. Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.
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The man in front of me might be carrying a gun so i should carry one aswell.
Am i the only one that thinks that statement is very wrong?
Just imagine yourself sitting in class or at work and some messed up boy (that is having a bad day and access to guns) shoots you right between the eyes.
Or wait, even worse, shoots your wife or kids, taking their life for no reason.
Wouldn't you think for a second if that same boy woulda done something this awfull if he didn't had that gun?
Everyone does it for a reason, whether logical or not. The difference is many of those who legally carry are trained, and many of those who illegally carry are often mentally unstable and/or don't have proper training.
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You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals. Getting weapons is way to easy legal way and illegal way. The United States Government doesn't have the funds or resources to simply withdraw and dismantle all firearms in the country, not to mention the bloodshed that would arise from that movement alone.
I honestly don't feel like saying this but we have so much freedom that our own freedom becomes our own nightmare. Is it bad, yes. Is it worth it? To an extent. I'd hate to be a country where I couldn't do shit. While I think there needs to be more government control, half of you don't even understand or able to comprehend the tragic outrage and violence that would string from banning firearms and all in all, it won't reduce anything. Crime happens. Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.
I respect your opinion, but i don't fully agree with you.
Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?
I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.
Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?
I'm not talking about professional criminals here, because they will always find their way around it.
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I respect your opinion, but i don't fully agree with you.
Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?
I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.
Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?
I'm not talking about professional criminals here, because they will always find their way around it.
You could have both easily. If you make it very difficult for people to obtain guns that shouldn't, but easier for those who should be allowed to, then you will have it so that the number of self-defending people greatly outnumber those with illegally-obtained weapons. The problem is how you go about that when the federal constitution conflicts with it, state laws differ from each other and federal ones, and how you actually tell the difference between someone who shouldn't have a weapon, and someone who should be allowed to have one. You also run into the problem with existing and illegally-distributed weapons.
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Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?
Additionally compared to other countries with gun ownership we have strikingly the largest amount of gun ownership than any other country, to support many facts we would assume that the United States has the highest gun violence due to this correct? Actually, again here the case if false. There are countries with close to equal gun ownership and far surpass our violence in guns, and even some that are above us that have far less guns per citizen. So the hypothesis more guns equals more gun violence is a mere false theory.
As I already stated here. There are countries with less access to guns than us yet have higher gun violence rates than we do. So No, fact nor I think having less access will really make an effect.
Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?
to an extent yes, if there was laws to dictate how a weapon must be locked and stored. I think Mikal mentioned a great point in another topic which is what I do. My guns are locked in safe with ammo in another locked safe since I only use them for hunting. If there is laws placed that will legislate how they must be stored and extra precautions for households with person(s) under 18 years of age to protect them and others is a good step in the right direction.
I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.
Mafia Bosses to your local street thug. It doesn't matter who they are... they don't follow laws, if they want to commit crimes and acts of violence against other people... they will not give one shit about any law they'll just do it sadly.
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to an extent yes, if there was laws to dictate how a weapon must be locked and stored. I think Mikal mentioned a great point in another topic which is what I do. My guns are locked in safe with ammo in another locked safe since I only use them for hunting. If there is laws placed that will legislate how they must be stored and extra precautions for households with person(s) under 18 years of age to protect them and others is a good step in the right direction.
Yeah thats what i mean.
Like i said, if they are going to handle this situation it has to be done with small steps.
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Yeah thats what i mean.
Like i said, if they are going to handle this situation it has to be done with small steps.
Small steps indeed. You can't fully cure an issue like this in a year, not in 5 years and not even in 10 years. You can take steps to help reduce exposure to weapons. I also think gun classes in common school would be a great idea as well. Teach teens about firearms, and how dangerous they can really be. I remember growing up with not a single idea about guns, I thought heroes used them (as in our troops) to fight the bad guys. Then I grow up and see that criminals and people who want to do harm are the really carries of arms. Anyways, education is another great step.
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People who defend the right to bare arms in America are completely deluded and I it'd serve them right if they were to become the victims of the 'rights' they are protecting.
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People who defend the right to bare arms in America are completely deluded and I it'd serve them right if they were to become the victims of the 'rights' they are protecting.
So you're saying that officers of the law who shoot criminals to protect innocent lives have deluded thoughts? How about people who shoot a serial-murderer trying to break into their home? What about our U.S. military, who use guns to protect themselves and carry out operations overseas and within the country?
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You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals.
Most of these shootings are actually done by citizens who actually need help. Like a normal teenager who just gets bullied day after day after day until he finally cracks, gets his fathers rifle and all shit breaks loose. Is he a criminal? No. Psychopath? Negative.
Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.
I challenge you to show me the link and your kitchen supplies that could make that kind of bomb!
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Most of these shootings are actually done by citizens who actually need help. Like a normal teenager who just gets bullied day after day after day until he finally cracks, gets his fathers rifle and all shit breaks loose. Is he a criminal? No. Psychopath? Negative.
The moment he illegally obtains that weapon, he is a criminal. The father is also a criminal because he failed to properly secure his weapon and it's ammo, as per state and federal laws. They may not be doing it intentionally, but even the law says negligence is still a crime.
I challenge you to show me the link and your kitchen supplies that could make that kind of bomb!
That link will not be posted on this forum unless you want a permanent ban. Links to such information is highly illegal, and should not be encouraged here.
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The situation is being dealt with. No need for this.
- Batta
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So you're saying that officers of the law who shoot criminals to protect innocent lives have deluded thoughts? How about people who shoot a serial-murderer trying to break into their home? What about our U.S. military, who use guns to protect themselves and carry out operations overseas and within the country?
No one deserves to carry weaponry. Not civilians, not police, no one.
I live in scotland. We don't carry guns, our police don't carry guns, gun-crime is extremely low here. It's not a coincidence.
Also, your military is a completely different thing. They are trained to use weaponry. I highly doubt your military are responsible for shooting kids in an elementary school.
If civilians have the right to bare arms, you can be assured that civilians are going to shoot each other. That's just how it is. Look at all of the countries who disallowed gun ownership and then have a look at the gun crime statistics compared to countries where guns are readily available. It's in the facts.
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America is not just as simple as a complete ban on guns for all civilians. They have their second amendment right and history which has to be taken into consideration. Yes it would be simple to remove all guns to solve the problem but that will just cause massive problems and could turn the situation even worse.
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Now quote the part where I have been trolling. Everything I said was sincere and was provoking (as I myself admitted) in a constructive (word of which you seem to lack the knowledge) way.
A 20% warning for such thing with the motivation of "Provoking purposely and admitting to it" is seriously childish.
You may want to check this profitable reading (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=92883.15) once more (hoping you've read it already), and remember what is your position.
And do remember to "avoid using forum punishments on administration members. If in doubt, speak to the DL / Manager of the admin concerned." Not that difficult to get.. even more if you yourself received this already, am I right?
Be aware that I will not tolerate anything like this once more.
I never said I warned you myself, so if you have a complaint, please direct it to a forum administrator and stop accusing people to pick fights. This is the last time I will warn you to get back on topic and stop provoking arguments with players.
No one deserves to carry weaponry. Not civilians, not police, no one.
I live in Scotland. We don't carry guns, our police don't carry guns, gun-crime is extremely low here. It's not a coincidence.
The country was also heavily hurt in a war a very long time ago because people couldn't defend themselves from an invasion. The country may be at peace now, but there is no guarantee it will always be that way. The same goes for the United States. We could theoretically remove all weapons, but it wouldn't help us if someone invaded, a la "Red Dawn". You're also forgetting the fact that people import guns illegally here more often than people purchase them legally. All that would do is give the criminals an advantage here, which would lead to even more death and chaos.
Unless you can safely get rid of every single possible weapon that can exist within a country's borders, removing guns will never solve the problem, and removing them all is impossible.
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I really see no reason for these sorts of topics to make the news nowadays, it's a weekly occurrence over and over, nothing new about it.
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I really see no reason for these sorts of topics to make the news nowadays, it's a weekly occurrence over and over, nothing new about it.
Agreed. All it's doing is giving those considering the possibility more reason to reach for the fame, and create more mass-panic. These kinds of things already happened on a smaller scale every day, but no one ever put them on the news, and they didn't become this big or this deadly. Copycats are probably going nuts right now...
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Copycats are probably going nuts right now...
Stop the publicity then. But that's a problem as people want to know what's happening outside their door and the media are hungry to gain the most sales by reporting this kind of stuff. I think it all goes back down to education. If you teach kids shooting people is wrong then they are less likely to do, only the mentally instable ones would.
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I really see no reason for these sorts of topics to make the news nowadays, it's a weekly occurrence over and over, nothing new about it.
I actually mentioned this a few days ago actually, I'd have to agree.
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There is no point of not posting it as well, the name of the topic is 'World and Local news' we can post local or world news as we like because of this reason. I'm sure someone is going to lead to the reason we shouldn't post these because they lead to arguments, but that is not the point either because in reality they lead to debates, which I highly agree that debating is a good way for you to express yourself and views.