Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Acika on January 24, 2013, 09:55:19 pm
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Hello there,
I'm interested in few things and i would like to have an answer from relevant people.
I was driving little boat (dighty) with 2 friends. We were suspected (2 of us) and we were heading towards SF Ship. Hydra appeared, shot on us immediately without any warning. I have exited boat already to /enter SF ship, which i did. My two friends were little late and they both died by hydra rockets. One of them wasnt even suspected. When i climbed up the ship i was standing there, being easy target. I was on foot, low with HP and i didnt shoot on hydra.
Since server is full of cops, im interested, Are cops supposed to come and catch me or hydra should kill me ?
-Why i didnt /gu ? - Because i didnt have chance, nor i got warning to surrender since i was shot immediately.
Here are some screens:
(http://i.imgur.com/DWeRrLD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/OvdTFMn.png)
Thanks in advance.
Acika Luciano
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-Why i didnt /gu ? - Because i didnt have chance
I was driving little boat (dighty) with 2 friends.
Right.. Maybe stop driving and /gu ? ;)
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One of them wasnt even suspected
Well Some of the regulations or rules of SAPD/ARPD are that if you dont have time to /Su a guy that is shooting you or is stating a thread on you, its a vaild kill, cause your life was on danger. So also, if you where on the same boat, he was aiding no matter if he was suspected or not its a fair kill. Not all cops have time to suspect. But as i stated before, fair kill, he was aiding.
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You really must been a very bad boy to get that after you :eek: By the way you have succesfully captured all ominousness of hydra in that first screen shot
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Of course you had time to give up, that's not the question.
In my opinion, suspects should be warned. Are you sure they didn't got to do it earlier?
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There are NO RULES to Hydra and Hunter usage on the server. There are GUIDELINES, that do not HAVE to be followed.
If CBF wants to use Hunter Minigun on someone for smoking weed in public, he can.
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Still, it's pretty damn wrong to get a HYDRA after them, there ARE police boats, there were other cops who could chase them.
But fuck it, CBF is CBF XD
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It's annonying.
You call it RPG server and you're allowing hunters. As I am a criminal I don't accept it. As far as I know this isn't Stunt or something else. We should have miniguns too right? You're getting suspected,as criminal your mission is to escape. You're trying to do it but you fail because an Hunter trying to blow your car.
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Just another one of those topics..
There should be a table drawn up with the advantages that each side has and I guarantee you that each side has an advantage and a disadvantage... But hey, this is not cops and robbers..
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CBF kills all suspects with Hydra, whether they shoot at him or not or whether they are driving a boat or plane.
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If your intentions display characteristics of disruption due to your manner, expect bigger toys to be pulled out of the toybox.
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Interesting opinions.
But i still would like to get answer on my question.
Acika
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I'm pretty sure you were just given answers.
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I thought CBF was a good cop? Seems like he is not, who the fuck uses a hydra to take down suspects on foot?
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People have no idea of the regulations, yet they call CBF a bad cop.. Okay.
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People have no idea of the regulations, yet they call CBF a bad cop.. Okay.
Would call anyone a bad cop of they use a hydra / hunter to take down anything on the ground :)
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In lack of better ideas I might just have solution for your problem. Do not get wanted when CBFasi is ingame. You're welcome :cool:
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People will always complain when they get out matched, it's nothing new.
>Player 1 gets a dildo
>Player 2 moans when he gets killed with the dildo as it wasn't sugar coated.
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>Player 1 gets a dildo
>Player 2 moans when he gets killed with the dildo as it wasn't sugar coated.
I would complain if it was! I prefer syrup. :mad:
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In lack of better ideas I might just have solution for your problem. Do not get wanted when CBFasi is ingame. You're welcome :cool:
Maybe the reason of using hydra against me on foot is cause i killed Fasi 20 mins before that.
If that's the reason then i understand him.
But I'm still waiting answer from relevant people on my asked question.
Are cops supposed to come and catch me or hydra should kill me ?
To mention again: Im on foot, low on HP, cant escape anywhere and not shooting on hydra.
Acika
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-Why i didnt /gu ? - Because i never do unless an admin gets involved
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Ha-ha. I know you are "smart" and "witty" (Devin, Pingster etc), but i would like an answer from relevant people.
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If you had low hp, on foot, couldn't escape and weren't shooting the hydra, why didn't you REALLY /gu, if my correction is incorrect?
You had time to run all over the ship taking pictures, you have a hydra shooting towards you, and you've been a suspect for over 20 minutes, do you need a warning each time a cop shows up, or do you understand that you'll be shot at a bit faster?
RPly you would had no choice but to surrender, you failed to take that option, clearly you had no intentions of even pretending to roleplay as you failed to surrender. So what's the point in /m3ing you, if you won't listen to it anyway?
Yeah, it sucks, hydra shot you, but it also sucks when people appear to play for no other reason than to experience some CnR.
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Maybe the reason of using hydra against me on foot is cause i killed Fasi 20 mins before that.
If that's the reason then i understand him.
Han Solo: Great, kid. Don't get cocky.
Here is your answer tho man:
If the hydra/hunter was engaged by on ground members, regardless of who shot the hydra is clear to engage. If no engagement to the hunter/hydra was given by the suspects there is no grounds for the hydra/hunter to open fire. Other than that Hydra/Hunter can freely engage NRGs, Boats, Airborn Suspects. End of story.
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Here is your answer tho man:
If the hydra/hunter was engaged by on ground members, regardless of who shot the hydra is clear to engage. If no engagement to the hunter/hydra was given by the suspects there is no grounds for the hydra/hunter to open fire. Other than that Hydra/Hunter can freely engage NRGs, Boats, Airborn Suspects. End of story.
If i understand you good, this is abuse of hydra/hunter and against the rules.
Because im on foot, on ship (Static object on map), not shooting anyone, being easy to get caught by cops.
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If i understand you good, this is abuse of hydra/hunter and against the rules.
Because im on foot, on ship (Static object on map), not shooting anyone, being easy to get caught by cops.
I can't say for sure as I wasn't there nor I have seen any damage logs to collaborate any side of the story however... If none of you on the ship (if there was others) engaged the Hydra, then by the current provided information then it would be classed as not valid use of lethal force from hydra.
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If we see the situation from your side the cops are wrong because as you said you were on foot you didnt shoot you didnt receive a previous warning before the atack and for that you lost money and weaps and yes thats kinda abuse of autorithy and if you say that maybe he did that cause you kill him minutes ago maybe was with a little of revenge, Okay understood.
Now if we see this from the cop side there are also some things: 1.- if you already saw that the cop who is against you atm is not going to give you a warning if you take time to think When i climbed up the ship i was standing there, being easy target.
you need at least 2 seconds to press T and type /gu. but instead of that you prefer to stand still and take screenshots. 2.- If you don't want to /gu there are many ways to avoid the shots of hydra example: Bunny Hop, Round Running, Hiding (You say it before if you was at the boat there are many things to avoid the hydra rockets. 3.- you, me and almost everyone on the server knows that almost all suspects doesn't want to surrender, everyone prefers to escape; Even me, i don't like to waste 180s of my gameplay on jail, and sometimes cops get tired of this because why being a cop if the suspect escapes anyway. You're not the only one who lives this things; and if you see that many people knows how CBF works why you complain about this situation you know that unfortunately don't have a choise but to accept that this are the way the things works.t
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but i would like an answer from relevant people.
If you wanted answer from relevant people, who in this case is CBFasi himself, why did you not send him pm about it? Instead you decided to make it public so face the consequences of that choice now.
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People will always complain when they get out matched, it's nothing new.
>Player 1 gets a dildo
>Player 2 moans when he gets killed with the dildo as it wasn't sugar coated.
People will always complain when they get out matched, it's nothing new.
>Player 1 gets a dildo
>Player 2 moans when he gets killed with the dildo as it wasn't sugar coated.
People will always complain when they get out matched, it's nothing new.
>Player 1 gets a dildo
>Player 2 moans when he gets killed with the dildo as it wasn't sugar coated.
I couldn't resist. :devroll:
Topic locked in the meantime until Gandalf / CBF / SA:MP HQ gives a definite answer. CBF has been notified.
All you are doing here is raising a spectacle and calling attention to yourself. If your intention was really to get an answer, then you would have sent a PM instead.
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When it seems clear that there are a number of suspects having no intention of surrendering or getting rid of their warning level and intent on causing as many deaths as possible the management has several options.
What I notice in this case is that you have been aware for a long time that there was a heavy threat above you, and had multiple times that your transport was blown up giving you every chance to surrender. As your behaviour made clear that you had no intention of surrendering until killed by firepower the decision saved numerous lives of officers.
Should this not yet be added to the heavy fire manual, it will be done shortly so that not only the management is able to use this.
Allowed as it seems your intention is to bait and stay stationary at the ship.
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In this case, the suspect was spotted on a boat, that gives clearance to engage as ARPD has no armed watercraft. The fact that the individuals concerned got off the boat is irrelevant, they had been on the boat seconds before.
I had also been tracking down this group of suspects from Emerald Isle Car Park LV, they had gone across a large part of the map before I even found them, in fact some of the others had managed to escape in this time. I had already had to return to change Hunter for Hydra as the Hunter did not have the speed to catch them.
I had intention just to track down but as there was no other police presence in the area there was no other option, especially as prior experience hinted I would of been shot out of the sky... (like happened about an hour earlier)
You was actually in the water when I fired first, having just got off the boat to climb up the ladder onto the ship.
There was no other options at the time of finding the suspects, they where clearly trying to run even with the obvious presence of a ARPD Air Unit
Giving up would of protected you, it freezes suspects so they cannot be hurt, I personally scripted that feature in...
Anyone who thinks getting out of a boat or plane will stop a Hydra or Hunter engaging are wrong.... you have already forfeited that, your ONLY LAWFUL option is to surrender, of course you can engage, some do win...
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Since everyone who can use hydra/hunter have different opinions about their usage, it would be nice from all of you to have and to state same opinions about usage. That's why there should be rules not guidelines which everyone understands on their own way.
Then in wont come to missunderstandings where one says i wouldnt shoot him and another says i would.
You could have landed, you saw im alone, low on HP, nowhere to run or hide. Also there is PD boat 100 meters away from the ship.
Hydra/Hunter should be last option in killing suspect(s).
Example: Player is flying with heli, plane or jetpack.
How to stop them?: Get a dodo/beagle, partner, M4 and shoot them down. If player is driving shamal or some faster plane than dodo/beagle then it's the time to call hydra.
Water and ground units should follow player too.
:ps: When im on duty, last i want is hydra/hunter to come, to kill everyone and to stop all the fun of the game. I would take that as humiliation towards myself because im uncapable to catch someone without overpowered vehicles.
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There are NO RULES to Hydra and Hunter usage on the server. There are GUIDELINES, that do not HAVE to be followed.
If CBF wants to use Hunter Minigun on someone for smoking weed in public, he can.
he can get minigun for smoking weed in public place :trust: ?
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Since everyone who can use hydra/hunter have different opinions about their usage, it would be nice from all of you to have and to state same opinions about usage. That's why there should be rules not guidelines which everyone understands on their own way.
Then in wont come to missunderstandings where one says i wouldnt shoot him and another says i would.
I knew you would not read what I wrote, and also knew that no matter what I said to you in game that you would carry on...
I will say yet again ...
There will no NO RULES on Hydra/Hunter usage, especially to be made public... there are guidelines which I set up when they got introduced, these actually got RELAXED due to circumstances that criminals introduced and thsi relaxation was not me, in fact I was not even with the server at the time.
The number of times criminals complain about SAPD work and quote rules proves exactly why there should NOT be rules.
ARPD and SAPD cannot operate if they are restricted by rules that criminals know well enough to know exactly how to abuse that knowledge, such as jumping off a boat cos they think as since they are on foot they cannot be engaged by a hunter/hydra.. Such as saying they surrender, yet then run off who then say 'they lied'. This happens often enough to even get admins involved now ..
Sorry but I am fed up with this sad attitude, if there was less abuse of knowledge then maybe criminals could be dealt with by normal means instead of us having to resort to heavier equipment.
EACH pilot has their own interpretations of these guidelines and that is pilot choice..
I assess each situation, and most the time I try for disablement, or to encourage a change of route, maybe towards ground units that are still catching up. If there are NO other units near and I believe that there is a risk of failing in the role of law enforcement then I will take ANY means available.
We can be fair with you, if your fair with us, but all too often there is a win win attitude for all sides.
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I very well red what you and other who got access wrote.
What i heard from you is totally different thing than i heard from others.
Your rule is there are no rules. You can shoot everyone, every time, everywhere, immediately without any warnings, no matter is someone on foot, swimming, driving, if hes alone with 1HP or with 10 armed people.
Now i understand some things much better.
Acika Luciano
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I very well red what you and other who got access wrote.
What i heard from you is totally different thing than i heard from others.
Your rule is there are no rules. You can shoot everyone, every time, everywhere, immediately without any warnings, no matter is someone on foot, swimming, driving, if hes alone with 1HP or with 10 armed people.
Now i understand some things much better.
Acika Luciano
Learn to read carefully first?
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If you ask me, topic can be locked.
I hope others learned something from this too.
Sincerely,
Acika Luciano
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I hope others learned something from this too.
Your hidden sarcasm is almost good if it was not inspired by revenge.