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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Sweeper on February 06, 2013, 12:13:48 am
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi cleric says even girls who have not yet reached puberty should be covered from head to toe, citing instances of child molestation in the ultraconservative kingdom and elsewhere.
Sheik Abdullah Daoud made the remarks on the satellite channel al-Majd. He says many viewers watching the program had probably come across instances of sexual harassment as children.
He is not affiliated with the government nor considered a senior sheik.
Judge Mohammed al-Jazlani, a senior sheik, said Monday that such talk denigrates Islam and may push non-Muslims to view Islam negatively. He urged Saudis to ignore unofficial fatwas, or edicts.
Separately, a spokesman for Saudi Arabia's religious police said online that the force can oblige a woman to cover her face "if her eyes are seditious." He did not elaborate.
I'm speechless. It's insane.
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Yes because all women and girls need to wear a table cloth until they get breasts. :poke:
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He's basically trying to get people to "act" as he feels is suitable.
Other than that, he's basically saying children can't be children nor can they run around playing as they have to be covered entirely at all times, I would like to see a child running around and playing while fully clothed from head to toe. :eek:
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Covering up more wouldn't decrease intents for such behaviour... more reduce the "temptation", I guess.
If those problems are so serious maybe ways of sorting out the society itself should be looked at.
If it was a universal issue, we would have seen the implications of it.
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Why not cut penises off those dumb molesters?
Come on, you can't put a chicken in cage forever just so a cat doesn't eat it.
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The only regulations Muslims have, is the covering of the head. Not the face. And wearing full sleeves and full pants.
Exactly like a christian nun. But they all completely cover themselves which is weird.
Just a hijab. Jeez. Spare the little girls from the trouble.
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The only regulations Muslims have, is the covering of the head. Not the face. And wearing full sleeves and full pants.
Exactly like a christian nun. But they all completely cover themselves which is weird.
Just a hijab. Jeez. Spare the little girls from the trouble.
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The only regulations Muslims have, is the covering of the head. Not the face. And wearing full sleeves and full pants.
Exactly like a christian nun. But they all completely cover themselves which is weird.
Just a hijab. Jeez. Spare the little girls from the trouble.
Not getting into a religious discussion but I find it weird that Muslim men are allowed to have upto five wives and numerous children, but young muslim girls must keep themselves fully covered?
Sort of gender discrimination?
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Sort of gender discrimination?
Yes it is.
If those problems are so serious maybe ways of sorting out the society itself should be looked at.
Indeed, West European countries don't have these problems either.
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I dislike to say it, but some scholars/clerics in Saudi Arabia are extremist/hypocrites.
Why not cut penises off those dumb molesters?
We cut of their heads instead.
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Medieval mentality.. here we are again.
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The only regulations Muslims have, is the covering of the head. Not the face. And wearing full sleeves and full pants.
Exactly like a christian nun. But they all completely cover themselves which is weird.
Just a hijab. Jeez. Spare the little girls from the trouble.
Why should they just have to cover their head still? It's stupid.
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There are molesters every where, a type of clothing won't stop it..
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Why should they just have to cover their head still? It's stupid.
To prevent temptation. It not stupid, it has wisdom behind it which contributes to many societies till today. It also a tradition in certain Arab countries.
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It also a tradition in certain Arab countries.
It has nothing to do with tradition, it's female oppression.
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It has nothing to do with tradition, it's female oppression
Right....
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To prevent temptation.
If men can't hold themselves them it's their fault. Not women's fault if they are monkeys.
It not stupid, it has wisdom behind it which contributes to many societies till today.
Elaborate.
It also a tradition in certain Arab countries.
A wrong, oppressive, sexist tradition.
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To prevent temptation? Surely a pedophile is a pedophile.
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If men can't hold themselves them it's their fault. Not women's fault if they are monkeys.
Yes.
Elaborate
Other than safeguarding from desires? http://www.irfi.org/articles2/articles_3151_3200/the%20virtues%20of%20the%20hijabhtml.htm (http://www.irfi.org/articles2/articles_3151_3200/the%20virtues%20of%20the%20hijabhtml.htm) is a good site for knowledge about Hijab.
A wrong, oppressive, sexist tradition.
Your view. Local Arabs in the country i live in, prefer to dress in tradition clothes rather than western such as jeans and what else. Same as tradionatal Arab men, who wear long sleeved garments called Thwab/Thobe. Very sexist and oppressive tradition against men indeed... You have no rights neither any other men in telling what a women should wear or not. :)
Should i also put in how the French government, or should i say men, banned the wearing of scarfs/hijab? Basically men telling what women shouldn't wear.
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I'm speechless. It's insane.
No, it's not. Wearing full body condoms is part of their tradition, and as long as they are not forcing women in other countries to wear those I don't see the problem.
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No, it's not. Wearing full body condoms is part of their tradition, and as long as they are not forcing women in other countries to wear those I don't see the problem.
Once again, this is not a tradition. They are forcing women to wear these clothes.
Disallowing women to look at men is also tradition? Mutaween also tradition?
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To prevent temptation. It not stupid, it has wisdom behind it which contributes to many societies till today. It also a tradition in certain Arab countries.
Well girls in the UK don't cover their faces and they arnt getting raped everywhere they go..
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Yes.
Other than safeguarding from desires? http://www.irfi.org/articles2/articles_3151_3200/the%20virtues%20of%20the%20hijabhtml.htm (http://www.irfi.org/articles2/articles_3151_3200/the%20virtues%20of%20the%20hijabhtml.htm) is a good site for knowledge about Hijab.
Your view. Local Arabs in the country i live in, prefer to dress in tradition clothes rather than western such as jeans and what else. Same as tradionatal Arab men, who wear long sleeved garments called Thwab/Thobe. Very sexist and oppressive tradition against men indeed... You have no rights neither any other men in telling what a women should wear or not. :)
Should i also put in how the French government, or should i say men, banned the wearing of scarfs/hijab? Basically men telling what women shouldn't wear.
Totally agree , If someone belongs to a tradition or we say religious tradition then he or she has to follow it.
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Unfortunate that the implication is due to the minority who behave disrespectfully, a whole gender has to brace themselves for the impact. Making it optional would leave it to one's own discretion.
There are scriptures which suggest how people of the two genders should dress and conduct themselves, but in the current society and the altogether changing world things cannot always be applied as they might have been done years ago.
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If someone belongs to a tradition or we say religious tradition then he or she has to follow it.
No one belongs to a tradition. It's the tradition that may belong to you. Therefore you can force no one to follow any traditions.
Rules should have very low power on ethical things like this..
Unfortunate that the implication is due to the minority who behave disrespectfully, a whole gender has to brace themselves for the impact.
That's just an excuse to mantain the "control" over women.
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi cleric
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Typical religion.
Just reminder of what islam has influenced before.
"A couple arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of killing their 15-year-old daughter with acid say they carried out the attack because she looked at a boy."
There is a reason I disagree with imposing religious views on others.
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To prevent temptation. It not stupid, it has wisdom behind it which contributes to many societies till today. It also a tradition in certain Arab countries.
Temptation? What temptation? Men get a hard on just by seeing a woman's face in such societies?
You're only doing the exact opposite of what you're trying to achieve to be honest, if women in normal clothes becomes common, it'll be normal for everyone, now if you decide to keep something under cover, ofc people will have temptation to see that.
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"A couple arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of killing their 15-year-old daughter with acid say they carried out the attack because she looked at a boy."
There is a reason I disagree with imposing religious views on others.
How is that a religion issue..?
Temptation? What temptation? Men get a hard on just by seeing a woman's face in such societies?
You're only doing the exact opposite of what you're trying to achieve to be honest, if women in normal clothes becomes common, it'll be normal for everyone, now if you decide to keep something under cover, ofc people will have temptation to see that.
Huh? Most men don't give a second eye on covered women such as nuns. Secondly, just to clarify, women can cover their face if they wish so, there is no commandment that tells them to cover their face. Men CAN get unwanted desires if they see a beautiful women, whether it be their face or their body or all together, it's a fact. That why, it's commanded for men to lower their gazes, whether it be a normally dressed women according to western society or if they see a beautiful faced women.
You're only doing the exact opposite of what you're trying to achieve to be honest | if women in normal clothes becomes common, it'll be normal for everyone
Yes, girls dressed in skimpy clothes or barely at all is very common, no men would get tempted by looking at them. Hmm hmphh.....
now if you decide to keep something under cover, ofc people will have temptation to see that.
No, unless you have a weird fetish. :lol:
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Men CAN get unwanted desires if they see a beautiful women, whether it be their face or their body or all together, it's a fact.
And? They're so troglodyte that they can't hold their instinct? It must be like that if women are covered.. it's a fact!
This mentality really worries me. I know that many societies/religions are still crossing the Stone Age, but please, we're in 2013, wake up!
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It is true that the full dress is based on tradition. However that tradition has nothing to do with religion. People who use this are originating from desert tribes. When traveling through the desert, the wind will blow sand that penetrates about everything and can make someone uncomfortable.
By wearing a full thick dress that covers everything the sand would not get through. And dark colours are very effective against the heat as well as the cold.
Men, being in general less caring about skin and comfort, would still cover their face as the current desert tribes still do.
This tradition has set in to those religions still living under desert thoughts.
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It is true that the full dress is based on tradition. However that tradition has nothing to do with religion. People who use this are originating from desert tribes. When traveling through the desert, the wind will blow sand that penetrates about everything and can make someone uncomfortable.
By wearing a full thick dress that covers everything the sand would not get through. And dark colours are very effective against the heat as well as the cold.
Men, being in general less caring about skin and comfort, would still cover their face as the current desert tribes still do.
This tradition has set in to those religions still living under desert thoughts.
This is right. In any case this does not explain why even girls should be covered.. The topic does not directly refer to tribes.
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And? They're so troglodyte that they can't hold their instinct?
They can or they can't. No man can be fully perfect...
It must be like that if women are covered.. it's a fact!
Saudi Arabia has the lowest crime rates related to adultery, rape and also fornication, it's a FACT. Should i compare the statistic with America or some European country such as Sweden?
This mentality really worries me. I know that many societies/religions are still crossing the Stone Age, but please, we're in 2013, wake up!
Stone age? I see people are still making wars, being snobbish and backstabbing in work, cheating/adultery/fornication, and what other negative things i should add. Accept people religion and tradition rather than making assumptions about how men are "forcing" women to dress and how primitive they are because they can't control themselves or some other religious part you disagree/hate upon.
I will clarify once again, men are also required to wear a garment that doesn't reveal their body lines, this is to prevent temptation from the other gender. Example, woman meets man, woman submits to desires, talks, man also get tempted, and so on. Same thing with the hijab.
I don't think that the new law would be passed, even if it does so, then other religious leaders would react on it. The Muslims follow the holy book and the teachings of the Prophets, not these men.
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Accept people religion and tradition rather than making assumptions about how men are "forcing" women to dress and how primitive they are because they can't control themselves or some other religious part you disagree/hate upon.
Entirely covered (wo)men should be disallowed, tradition or not. It's just unsafe and dangerous.
Check: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272706/Naomi-Oni-Anguish-Victorias-Secret-girl-scarred-acid-attacker-niqab.html#axzz2KCsyRRZz (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272706/Naomi-Oni-Anguish-Victorias-Secret-girl-scarred-acid-attacker-niqab.html#axzz2KCsyRRZz)
You know what was under that niqab? I don't, this woman doesn't, nobody does.
What now? Security cameras are useless since you can't see a shit of what's under that dress/niqab.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg/220px-Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg)
Look at this, it's scaring me and a lot of people off. It's walking through the streets and you want me to accept this?
And if it is a tradition, why are they forcing Western women to wear similar "clothes" such as an ayaba.
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Ok
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Ok
Amen.
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And if it is a tradition, why are they forcing Western women to wear similar "clothes" such as an ayaba.
Because they're offended by people showing too much skin. It goes against their 'nature', so to speak.
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Because they're offended by people showing too much skin. It goes against their 'nature', so to speak.
Accept people religion and tradition
Accept the Western culture then.
And "too much skin", like they're walking half-naked through the streets in Europe?
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Saudi Arabia has the lowest crime rates related to adultery, rape and also fornication, it's a FACT.
Maybe because in some cases women are stoned?
Accept people religion and tradition rather than making assumptions about how men are "forcing" women to dress and how primitive they are because they can't control themselves or some other religious part you disagree/hate upon.
What you don't understand is that a religion shall never force anyone to do anything. I accept religions and especially traditions. Forcing someone to do something is nothing to be proud of instead.
I will clarify once again, men are also required to wear a garment that doesn't reveal their body lines, this is to prevent temptation from the other gender.
Such evolute way rather than controlling themselves.
Example, woman meets man, woman submits to desires, talks, man also get tempted, and so on.
Everyday!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg/220px-Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg)
Look at this, it's scaring me and a lot of people off. It's walking through the streets and you want me to accept this?
Indeed. Tradition or not I would never allow someone to cover him/herself like that. You just can't understand who that person is.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg/220px-Woman_in_burqa%2C_Aleppo.jpg)
This shit should be banned in modernised countries, you can't tell who the fuck it is.. If police were looking for an illegal dressed like that, could they identify her?
I mean they arnt even allowed to tell her to remove her face shit so they can identify her face, because it would breach her 'religious' rights, honestly, want to dress like that?
Go back to your own country where it's considered tradition and not stupidness.
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This shit should be banned in modernised countries, you can't tell who the f**k it is.. If police were looking for an illegal dressed like that, could they identify her?
I mean they arnt even allowed to tell her to remove her face shit so they can identify her face, because it would breach her 'religious' rights, honestly, want to dress like that?
Go back to your own country where it's considered tradition and not stupidness.
i already want this topic to be locked/removed. why are you talking about dresses in this topic? somebody open a fashion topic and speak there :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop:
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This shit should be banned in modernised countries, you can't tell who the f**k it is.. If police were looking for an illegal dressed like that, could they identify her?
I mean they arnt even allowed to tell her to remove her face shit so they can identify her face, because it would breach her 'religious' rights, honestly, want to dress like that?
Go back to your own country where it's considered tradition and not stupidness.
Indeed, we must adapt in their country but they don't want to in our.
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i already want this topic to be locked/removed. why are you talking about dresses in this topic? somebody open a fashion topic and speak there
Hakim!
Maybe because in some cases women are stoned?
Such evolute way rather than controlling themselves.
Maybe because in some cases women are stoned?
Yes, because women are rapists, fornicators and what not, and men are pure saints. Anything else you would like to add, or want me to say, my dear sweet Roman brother? :)
This shit should be banned in modernised countries, you can't tell who the f**k it is.. If police were looking for an illegal dressed like that, could they identify her?
I mean they arnt even allowed to tell her to remove her face shit so they can identify her face, because it would breach her 'religious' rights, honestly, want to dress like that?
Go back to your own country where it's considered tradition and not stupidness.
Would be nice to see people robbing banks wearing that traditional dress or maybe in Scottish kilts!
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Would be nice to see people robbing banks wearing that traditional dress or maybe in Scottish kilts!
Kilt's don't cover peoples faces.. ;X
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Yes, because women are rapists, fornicators and what not, and men are pure saints. Anything else you would like to add, or want me to say, my dear sweet Roman brother? :)
It just means you cannot keep the discussion going.. anyway don't misuse that word.
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It just means you cannot keep the discussion going.. anyway don't misuse that word.
Discussion? My bad, thought it ended days back.
Kilt's don't cover peoples faces.. ;X
Scottish kilts with Arabian veil!
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Scottish kilts with Arabian veil!
Great combo. :lol: