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Title: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Reece on May 22, 2013, 06:08:58 pm
Two people were today believed to have been shot by armed police after hacking a man to death with a machete in front of dozens of eyewitnesses.
Police were called this afternoon to reports of an assault in Woolwich, south London where witnesses claimed a man wearing a Help For Heroes t-shirt was attacked with knives.
The pair were then confronted by armed police and apparently shot by a female officer as they brandished weapons including a revolver.
This afternoon the area’s MP, Nick Raynsford, told BBC Radio 5 Live he believed the victim of the attack was a serving soldier. The scene of the attack is just yards from Woolwich Barracks.

Mr Raynsford told the BBC: Mr Raynsford said: 'The circumstances causing the incident are not yet clear. It's been suggested it was the product of a road traffic accident, but that's pure speculation.
'We think a serving soldier was the victim. We don't know the circumstances surrounding the incident.
'We do know a number of weapons have been seized. They include a gun, various knives, and a machete, apparently.
'The police clearly had to take action in order to try and arrest these individuals.'
The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is called in whenever firearms officers shoot people, said it investigating.

Footage from a television news helicopter showed a large collection of weapons lying in the street in Woolwich following the incident.
A spokesman for the London Ambulance Service said one man had died at the scene.
He said: 'Our staff treated two others. Both men were taken to hospital, one of them is in a serious condition, the other is not.'
One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack the young victim with knives, including a meat cleaver.
'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally,' he told LBC. 'They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.'
Fighting back tears, James said the men treated their victim as a 'piece of meat' after he was dead.
'These two guys were crazed,' he told the radio station. 'They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there.'
Luke Huseyin, 32, who lives in a block of flats on John Wilson Street, Woolwich, close to where the incident happened said he watched two men murder a man before being shot.
 
He said: 'I was at home and heard a big bang. I looked out of the window and saw a car had crashed.
'It was a blue Vauxhall. Then two black guys got out of the car dragging a white guy across the road towards the wall. One of the guys had a knife that looked about a foot long and a machete and the other bloke had a gun.
'They started slashing him up with the knife and hitting him in the stomach with the machete. I don't think it took long before he was dead. There were people passing by who were screaming and running away. I've never seen anything like it.
'I'm still really shaken up. When he was dead, they dragged him out into the road and left him there.
'It was strange, they didn't run off, they just stood there as if they were waiting for the police.
'It must've taken about 20 minutes for the police to arrive, I think it must've been because they were waiting for armed police.
'The police officers got out of the car and the two black men ran towards them with the gun.
'The police shot them. They fell to the ground. Then a helicopter landed. Think it must've been an air ambulance.
'The paramedics got out and I think they were working on the two men to try and keep them alive.

'I don't know if they died, they were taken away in the helicopter. A blanket was put over the white guy lying in the road. 'I just can't believe what I saw.'
Mother-of-four Julia Wilders, 51, said she was travelling past the scene and saw two men hacking at a man with meat cleavers.
'Graham was driving and we drove past the car which was up against a lamp post.
'There were two black guys that looked like they were trying to resuscitate a white guy on the floor. I thought there'd been an accident.
'But then I saw they were using meat cleavers to hack him up. We live just behind where it happened and once we got back we walked back to have a look and that's when I saw one of the black guys pull out a handgun.
'My husband screamed at me to get back. I was petrified. As I was running back I saw the police pull up and the black guy was running towards the police car and they shot him.
'I didn't see anything else, I just run back home.'
David Dixon is the headteacher of Mulgrave Primary School, which is located about 50 metres from the scene of the incident. He saw a body in the road after realising something was happening and immediately locked down the school.
He said: ‘It was at the end of our road. As soon as we realised it was serious I went to see what had happened and then told staff to lock down the school and get the children inside. I spoke to police to ask what we should do.
‘There seemed to be a body in the middle of the road. The traffic was backed up and the police were on the scene.
A woman working in an office overlooking the incident in Woolwich said: 'I can see three bodies lying in the road with red blankets over them.
'All the bodies are within about 30-40 metres of each other. It looks like the police have covered them over.
'I could see armed police all over the place. There was a lot of commotion, police running around in all different directions, as if they were looking for other people.
'I've been told that a man was attacked with a machete and then the police arrived on the scene very, very quickly, and shot two men dead.'
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: 'Officers were called at 2.20pm to John Wilson Street in Woolwich. It was to what we believe was an initial report of an assault.'
Twitter user Boya Dee wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!
'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!
'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'

He added: 'The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a revolver
'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...
'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver
'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it
'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!
'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!'
A spokeswoman for London Ambulance Service said: 'We were called a 2.20pm to reports of an incident at John Wilson Street.
'We sent two responders in cars, three ambulance crews, two duty officers and London Air Ambulance were called out.
'We still have staff at the scene.'


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Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Devin on May 22, 2013, 06:13:01 pm
One word; Disgusted.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 22, 2013, 06:47:24 pm
It's believed to be a possible terrorist attack as the Home Secretary has talked with the Met Comissioner and MI5 Director General with a COBRA meeting arranged. They are taking this very seriously.

Honestly this is so disgusting. How can you kill a man for just wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt. Completely sick.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: KhornateMonkey on May 22, 2013, 06:59:47 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304)

Live updates
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Alsatian on May 22, 2013, 07:03:53 pm
Didn't take Sky News long to start claiming this was a "politically motivated terrorist attack".  :roll:

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 22, 2013, 07:21:48 pm
Didn't take Sky News long to start claiming this was a "politically motivated terrorist attack".  :roll:
It seems to be reported as a soldier so if anything it's an attack against soldiers in Afghanistan etc.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 22, 2013, 08:14:05 pm
The armed police must have responded pretty quick for them to still be at the scene of the stabbing on arrival, R.I.P to the guy that was murdered, filthy bastarding terrorists.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Frank_Hawk on May 22, 2013, 08:31:14 pm
RIP member of the armed forces, this tribute is for you:

British Military Power | The British Are Coming | 2013 | HD | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RWntolNRI#ws)

We will bring those accountable to justice.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 22, 2013, 09:06:52 pm
We will bring those accountable to justice.
Put their heads on the railings outside No 10.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 22, 2013, 09:28:21 pm
Rest in peace, honorable hero. Your sacrifices for this world will not be forgotten, and justice shall be brought to all of those who have done harm to you. For those who already have, they shall already begin to suffer the consequences of their actions...



This is living proof that people in this world will use anything to kill one another. It's not just guns we have to worry about. Violence in the human race is truly disgusting, as it has no purpose at all, unlike that of most other living things on this planet.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gmail on May 22, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
How can a person deserve this, I am dissapointed in humanity right now, god damn it.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 22, 2013, 09:47:55 pm
How can a person deserve this, I am dissapointed in humanity right now, god damn it.
They don't. The human race is sadly just incredibly corrupt and violent. People think it's just something that happens in the United States because it is so commonly publicized there, but as this news shows as proof, it's a worldwide issue not specific to any nationality or grouping of people.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 22, 2013, 10:07:44 pm
They don't. The human race is sadly just incredibly corrupt and violent. People think it's just something that happens in the United States because it is so commonly publicized there, but as this news shows as proof, it's a worldwide issue not specific to any nationality or grouping of people.
Nah, this is a rare occasion in the UK, it does happen in the US too much. :roll:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gmail on May 22, 2013, 10:09:11 pm
They don't. The human race is sadly just incredibly corrupt and violent. People think it's just something that happens in the United States because it is so commonly publicized there, but as this news shows as proof, it's a worldwide issue not specific to any nationality or grouping of people.
Humans as a species are no different than any other, our instincts go back to the rock age where in every group there is a leader and we hate other groups, I just don't know why through surviving an ice age, going through MILLIONS years of evolution we are still the same stupid .. humans that kill each other because of something silly, if this will keep happening, if wars will keep going, how will we as a dominating species on earth save the planet if .. a meteor hits, we don't have enough money because governments are using it for weapons against human beings, we don't have enough man/women because they all died in the wars and useless killings like this one, I just think that humanity needs to take a giant chill pill, stop hating each other and act like a dominant race, not like some outback African lions that only know how to eat and sleep, we have a brain, why not use it!
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 22, 2013, 10:32:50 pm
...I just think that humanity needs to take a giant chill pill, stop hating each other and act like a dominant race, not like some outback African lions that only know how to eat and sleep, we have a brain, why not use it!
Agreed.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Alsatian on May 23, 2013, 12:46:08 am
Put their heads on the railings outside No 10.

Yeah, let's set the right example... :roll:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: EliteTerm on May 23, 2013, 01:39:27 am
The armed police must have responded pretty quick for them to still be at the scene of the stabbing on arrival, R.I.P to the guy that was murdered, filthy bastarding terrorists.

So we're not blaming it on knives or sharp objects?

Regardless, RIP to that soldier.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 23, 2013, 02:21:35 am
So we're not blaming it on knives or sharp objects?

Regardless, RIP to that soldier.
Guns are easy to control, knives are an every day item, the knives they had are used for cutting up meat, do you not want to eat your food with a knife and fork?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 23, 2013, 12:14:39 pm
Guns are easy to control, knives are an every day item, the knives they had are used for cutting up meat, do you not want to eat your food with a knife and fork?
Guns aren't easy to control either. Regardless of their legality, people will still try to obtain them if they plan on committing crimes.

As has been said many times before, criminals don't follow the laws. That is why they are criminals.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gmail on May 23, 2013, 12:22:43 pm
Guns aren't easy to control either. Regardless of their legality, people will still try to obtain them if they plan on committing crimes.

As has been said many times before, criminals don't follow the laws. That is why they are criminals.
its the thing where when one person has something EVERYONE has it, Before USA threw that nuke at japan nobody knew what a nuke was.. now everyone has it.. when something is created somehow someone who shouldn't be allowed to have it will get it, be it guns knives or nukes.. it's all obtainable because it exsists
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 23, 2013, 12:39:20 pm
its the thing where when one person has something EVERYONE has it, Before USA threw that nuke at japan nobody knew what a nuke was.. now everyone has it.. when something is created somehow someone who shouldn't be allowed to have it will get it, be it guns knives or nukes.. it's all obtainable because it exsists
1. The U.S. created the atomic bomb. To say no one else knew what it was would be redundant because they are the ones who made it to begin with, so of course no one else had it.
2. Everyone wants to feel either equal, or higher than everyone else, depending on their stance. That's why criminals get heavy-duty weaponry to out-gun cops and civilians that could otherwise defend themselves. They want the upper hand so they can be successful. :P
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: cchipscookies on May 23, 2013, 12:54:39 pm
1. The U.S. created the atomic bomb. To say no one else knew what it was would be redundant because they are the ones who made it to begin with, so of course no one else had it.
2. Everyone wants to feel either equal, or higher than everyone else, depending on their stance. That's why criminals get heavy-duty weaponry to out-gun cops and civilians that could otherwise defend themselves. They want the upper hand so they can be successful. :P

Correct me if I'm wrong but I learned in History that the US developed the Atom bomb because Russia started. (just like the space race, they are competing)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: eymas on May 23, 2013, 12:59:58 pm
Yet again we get a spat of blood upon the general image of the society...
Truly outrageous that this was performed, what was their motive anyway? I doubt one even exists.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 23, 2013, 03:49:37 pm
Yet again we get a spat of blood upon the general image of the society...
Truly outrageous that this was performed, what was their motive anyway? I doubt one even exists.
They did it for Allah apperently.. No it's not a joke.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 05:33:41 pm
Truly outrageous that this was performed, what was their motive anyway? I doubt one even exists.
From what they were chanting and the target it is against the British military involvement in Afghanistan. These people claim to be Muslims but no way are they Muslims if they even think of doing anything like this in the name of Allah. Most Muslim people have condemned this attack and people should stop blaming things done by the minority on the majority.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 23, 2013, 05:48:29 pm
These people claim to be Muslims but no way are they Muslims if they even think of doing anything like this in the name of Allah. Most Muslim people have condemned this attack and people should stop blaming things done by the minority on the majority.
Thank you Warren. I expected the contrary to be said, but what you said is totally correct.
As I'm a muslim myself, I can tell people saying they commit crimes in the name of Allah is pure bs and just a way to make their deeds look less disgusting.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 06:20:35 pm
Thank you Warren. I expected the contrary to be said, but what you said is totally correct.
As I'm a muslim myself, I can tell people saying they commit crimes in the name of Allah is pure bs and just a way to make their deeds look less disgusting.
Warren, huh what? [WS]Jacob is Jacob (clue is in the name ;)). If you were talking to [WS]Louis/Warren then you wouldn't get as good grammar as you got up there. Had to be said.



You are right claiming you are a Muslim when the Quran says the total opposite is going completely against Islam not following it. Nowhere in the Quran do I expect to see that Allah said it's fine to behead a man in the street, because I won't. However I don't like how people reacted when it was suggested the men were of 'Muslim appearance' - people are going crazy these days just over simple things where we can't even describe someone for what they look like anymore without the racist finger being pointed.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 23, 2013, 06:24:20 pm
Warren, huh what? [WS]Jacob is Jacob (clue is in the name ;)). If you were talking to [WS]Louis/Warren then you wouldn't get as good grammar as you got up there. Had to be said.



You are right claiming you are a Muslim when the Quran says the total opposite is going completely against Islam not following it. Nowhere in the Quran do I expect to see that Allah said it's fine to behead a man in the street, because I won't.
Ohh sorry, I ment you, Jacob :lol:

And yeah, people doing crimes under the name of the Islam and Allah are NOT muslims. Those are called terrorists.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: KhornateMonkey on May 23, 2013, 06:34:28 pm
Update



Woolwich attack: Lee Rigby named as victim

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67779000/jpg/_67779790_67779785.jpg)

The soldier killed in an attack on a London street has been named as Drummer Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.
Drummer Rigby, 25, from Manchester, leaves behind a two-year-old son.
Two men are under arrest in hospital after police shot them near Woolwich Barracks on Wednesday afternoon, in the aftermath of the attack.
[Read More] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 07:02:38 pm
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67779000/jpg/_67779790_67779785.jpg)
"Leaves behind a two year old son". So very sad to hear that, his Dad was a true hero. RIP.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 23, 2013, 07:05:33 pm
... leaves behind a two-year-old son ...
This part makes me really sad, how will the mother explain what happened to his father when he grows up? :neutral:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Kojak on May 23, 2013, 07:42:24 pm
Inflammatory post and replies removed, keep it off these forums.

Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Duel on May 23, 2013, 08:07:02 pm
Saw the headlines on the news and instantly caught my attention..

Personally, I think its just in-human to what they did to this man.. Really, disappointed.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 08:32:33 pm
You are right claiming you are a Muslim when the Quran says the total opposite is going completely against Islam not following it. Nowhere in the Quran do I expect to see that Allah said it's fine to behead a man in the street, because I won't. However I don't like how people reacted when it was suggested the men were of 'Muslim appearance' - people are going crazy these days just over simple things where we can't even describe someone for what they look like anymore without the racist finger being pointed.
To be honest, there are verses in the Quran that do preach violence against non-believers. I can quote them if you are not convinced.

After all, what would be the reason for two Nigerians to kill a British soldier for involvement in Afghanistan, while praising Allah. A joke? Would not think so.

I know that the majority of Muslims are shocked and appalled at this attack, and the PM Cameron was right that this is as much an attack on Islam as it is on Britain. It is time however for those Muslims to wake up and see the truth.
There are places in England, other countries in Europe and the Middle East where not Islam is preached but hate. Hate of other religions, hate of Western people, hate against anything and anyone that is not part of Islam.
Those places should be removed, as should the hate. And it is not the duty of the Western governments to do this. It is the duty of Muslims to stop those people who attack Islam from within. To stop those spreading hate. To stop those disallowing other religions and worldviews.

Unless you stop it, it will get worse, and in the end you will have to choose between hate and freedom. Choose wisely.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 23, 2013, 08:40:51 pm
To be honest, there are verses in the Quran that do preach violence against non-believers. I can quote them if you are not convinced.

After all, what would be the reason for two Nigerians to kill a British soldier for involvement in Afghanistan, while praising Allah. A joke? Would not think so.

I know that the majority of Muslims are shocked and appalled at this attack, and the PM Cameron was right that this is as much an attack on Islam as it is on Britain. It is time however for those Muslims to wake up and see the truth.
There are places in England, other countries in Europe and the Middle East where not Islam is preached but hate. Hate of other religions, hate of Western people, hate against anything and anyone that is not part of Islam.
Those places should be removed, as should the hate. And it is not the duty of the Western governments to do this. It is the duty of Muslims to stop those people who attack Islam from within. To stop those spreading hate. To stop those disallowing other religions and worldviews.

Unless you stop it, it will get worse, and in the end you will have to choose between hate and freedom. Choose wisely.
Well said. :bow:

Saw the headlines on the news and instantly caught my attention..

Personally, I think its just in-human to what they did to this man.. Really, disappointed.
Stabbing anyone is in humane unless your life depends on it, fucking disgusting, how can someone kill a complete stranger who earns an honest living like this, infront of kids aswell, they even dragged the poor mans body into the road to flaunt their work, and then started breaching anti-British government crap on camera, honestly whos going to listen to anything they said about the British government after they done that, sick in the head, I hope the British government secretly torchers them for the rest of their lives.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gmail on May 23, 2013, 08:51:48 pm
Religion os one of the things humans created and the majority of us regrets, I know some peopple here are really religious si I am sorry if I offend anyone, but we as a speecies do not need a god or pretend some magical forces are doing this, we can't make excuses that a god told us to kill others, humans said there were gods thousands of years ago when we didn't know why it was snowing.. we have a heavily evolved brain right now, we can't use it to pretend the saveiour will come, or that jesus will save us all, I want to believe there is something after life that will be better but there isn't and there never will be, so thinking that these men murdered because of a god can not be crazy only for.me.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 09:05:42 pm
Religion os one of the things humans created and the majority of us regrets, I know some peopple here are really religious si I am sorry if I offend anyone, but we as a speecies do not need a god or pretend some magical forces are doing this, we can't make excuses that a god told us to kill others, humans said there were gods thousands of years ago when we didn't know why it was snowing.. we have a heavily evolved brain right now, we can't use it to pretend the saveiour will come, or that jesus will save us all, I want to believe there is something after life that will be better but there isn't and there never will be, so thinking that these men murdered because of a god can not be crazy only for.me.
There is nothing wrong with religion itself. Most of our laws and values of society are based on religion, and most of religious people find it a comfort to read answers to situation they experience themselves.
Today people 'worship' Wikipedia and Facebook for that, but they were not always around.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gmail on May 23, 2013, 09:08:08 pm
There is nothing wrong with religion itself. Most of our laws and values of society are based on religion, and most of religious people find it a comfort to read answers to situation they experience themselves.
Today people 'worship' Wikipedia and Facebook for that, but they were not always around.
I like some aspects of religion but then there are peopple killing each other because of religion, which is in no way humane.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 09:08:38 pm
I want to believe there is something after life that will be better but there isn't and there never will be
Have you ever died? The answer is no (I would hope) so how you can say there is an afterlife is foolish.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Cyril on May 23, 2013, 09:10:49 pm
Have you ever died? The answer is no (I would hope) so how you can say there isn't an afterlife is foolish.

Saying there is an afterlife is foolish too ;)
People are afraid to die, so they invent things to make them feel better  :pop:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 23, 2013, 09:13:33 pm
Religion os one of the things humans created and the majority of us regrets, I know some peopple here are really religious si I am sorry if I offend anyone, but we as a speecies do not need a god or pretend some magical forces are doing this, we can't make excuses that a god told us to kill others, humans said there were gods thousands of years ago when we didn't know why it was snowing.. we have a heavily evolved brain right now, we can't use it to pretend the saveiour will come, or that jesus will save us all, I want to believe there is something after life that will be better but there isn't and there never will be, so thinking that these men murdered because of a god can not be crazy only for.me.
The Vikings used to think that when a solar eclipse happend, it was a god trying to take away the sun (though it was the moon getting in the way), they'd sail into the ocean on ships and start shouting at the sun, and when the moon shoved off and the sun came back out, they thought they scared the god off, just another example of how religion and 'gods' are stories created by humans to 'explain' the unexplained.

However these days scientists can basically explain everything and ruin every religious story their is. :roll:

I like some aspects of religion but then there are peopple killing each other because of religion, which is in no way humane.
What aspects? Do you believe in a god? I certainly don't. :lol:

Saying there is an afterlife is foolish too ;)
People are afraid to die, so they invent things to make them feel better  :pop:
True dat.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Devin on May 23, 2013, 09:13:36 pm
There is nothing wrong with fearing death, it is natural for all living animals and humans to fear death.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Cyril on May 23, 2013, 09:15:37 pm
Of course it's normal, I didn't say anything opposite to that :D
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 09:16:29 pm
Have you ever died? The answer is no (I would hope) so how you can say there is an afterlife is foolish.
Most here die and respawn several times a day... :devroll:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 23, 2013, 09:17:21 pm
Most here die and respawn several times a day... :devroll:
I haven't died since Feburary. :D
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 09:17:43 pm
Most here die and respawn several times a day... :devroll:
:lol: There's no /resetspawn IRL, sorry.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Devin on May 23, 2013, 09:18:34 pm
Most here die and respawn several times a day... :devroll:

That's because they live like cats, 9 lives which seem to rejuvenate without an ending.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 09:24:49 pm
:lol: There's no /resetspawn IRL, sorry.
According to some religions, there is. However as it is a full RL server, your account and all achievements are wiped and you have to do all tutorials again.. :lol:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Cyril on May 23, 2013, 09:38:11 pm
According to some religions, there is. However as it is a full RL server, your account and all achievements are wiped and you have to do all tutorials again.. :lol:

sir gendal pls no full reset :cry: :cry:
i worked hard all my life pls why reset :cry:
this is unfair!
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Xavier12 on May 23, 2013, 09:47:41 pm
To be honest, there are verses in the Quran that do preach violence against non-believers. I can quote them if you are not convinced.

After all, what would be the reason for two Nigerians to kill a British soldier for involvement in Afghanistan, while praising Allah. A joke? Would not think so.

I know that the majority of Muslims are shocked and appalled at this attack, and the PM Cameron was right that this is as much an attack on Islam as it is on Britain. It is time however for those Muslims to wake up and see the truth.
There are places in England, other countries in Europe and the Middle East where not Islam is preached but hate. Hate of other religions, hate of Western people, hate against anything and anyone that is not part of Islam.
Those places should be removed, as should the hate. And it is not the duty of the Western governments to do this. It is the duty of Muslims to stop those people who attack Islam from within. To stop those spreading hate. To stop those disallowing other religions and worldviews.

Unless you stop it, it will get worse, and in the end you will have to choose between hate and freedom. Choose wisely.
May I? As I am nit convinced.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 10:10:47 pm
May I? As I am nit convinced.
I prefer you read yourself.
Quoting them will happen on one condition: I will not accept any posts trying to divert the content.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Xavier12 on May 23, 2013, 10:22:56 pm
I prefer you read yourself.
Quoting them will happen on one condition: I will not accept any posts trying to divert the content.
Condition accepted sire.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Hudini on May 23, 2013, 10:28:18 pm
:lol: There's no /resetspawn IRL, sorry.
Haha Imagine it /resetspawn inside Market and when the market
closed I /kill abuse and steal the Market :rofl:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Murt on May 23, 2013, 10:46:25 pm
Provocative messages removed as they were not related to the topic at all.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Luke on May 23, 2013, 10:56:08 pm
Okay, before the people create something crazy, i was born in London, East London, i have lived here 17 years, i am a full white English boy, i have no religion, but i still believe there is a god, after watching the news and seeing what these men did sickens me,  i cant stop thinking about it, but the media did say they are, Muslim Terrorists, okay, the first thing i want to say is, Muslims are not terrorist, i have many Muslim friends, to many to count, i speak to them openly about these things, about Muslims being classed as "Terrorists" and they always say the same thing, there religion is about peace, these men where not true Muslims, they did this as a revenge attack for there country, they used Allah, as a excuse, (this is what i believe) as being brought up in a country what has the highest amount of Muslims/Islamic etc, people i have never, thought a Muslim to be a "Terrorist". what happened yesterday was sickening the people who did it, need what was done to that poor man done to them, i always praise the soldiers, who protect us day in and day out, so that we can walk down these streets without a care in the world, no one should blame Muslims, and no one should blame the Government, what was done yesterday was done by animals, not humans, my main thoughts go out to the family of the man, and also the members of the public who saw this happen, R.I.P Solider, always a fighter.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 11:00:29 pm
Condition accepted sire.
Do not say I did not warn you.
As he quoted the Surah Al-Tabwa, lets take some verses from there.
Quote
فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الأشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
   Fa-itha insalakha al-ashhuru alhurumu faoqtuloo almushrikeena haythu wajadtumoohum wakhuthoohum waohsuroohum waoqAAudoo lahum kulla marsadin fa-in taboo waaqamoo alssalata waatawoo alzzakata fakhalloo sabeelahum inna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun

   But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

   

قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلا بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ
   Qatiloo allatheena la yu/minoona biAllahi wala bialyawmi al-akhiri wala yuharrimoona ma harrama Allahu warasooluhu wala yadeenoona deena alhaqqi mina allatheena ootoo alkitaba hatta yuAAtoo aljizyata AAan yadin wahum saghiroona

   Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللَّهِ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللَّهِ ذَلِكَ قَوْلُهُمْ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِئُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللَّهُ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
   Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahi waqalati alnnasara almaseehu ibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oona qawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahu anna yu/fakoona

   The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُوا فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
   Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo qatiloo allatheena yaloonakum mina alkuffari walyajidoo feekum ghilthatan waiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena

   O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

I am aware you may explain them different as the man who slayed the soldier. That is not the issue here. The issue is that some who call themselves Muslim (and are also named in this Surah) use verses like these to convince others that they have the right to kill, harm, betray and scam anyone who is not following Islam.
Fight anyone who does so, as he is not following the true words of Allah.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Xavier12 on May 23, 2013, 11:08:29 pm
Do not say I did not warn you.
As he quoted the Surah Al-Tabwa, lets take some verses from there.I am aware you may explain them different as the man who slayed the soldier. That is not the issue here. The issue is that some who call themselves Muslim (and are also named in this Surah) use verses like these to convince others that they have the right to kill, harm, betray and scam anyone who is not following Islam.
Fight anyone who does so, as he is not following the true words of Allah.
Yea its true some wrong people do that,however killings of innocent people and stuff is strictly forbidden in islam.Yep.They should not be called muslims.day da traitors
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Dolfagr on May 23, 2013, 11:18:52 pm
Woolwich Attack' Man Killed in Terror-Attack London / Wednesday 22 May 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtkp_nUumqM#ws)

This is so weird. How can people be normal around two guys armed with machetes and knives, and even a bypasser taking an interview from them? People were walking around like nothing had happened at all.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 11:22:37 pm
Woolwich Attack' Man Killed in Terror-Attack London / Wednesday 22 May 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtkp_nUumqM#ws)

This is so weird. How can people be normal around two guys armed with machetes and knives, and even a bypasser taking an interview from them? People were walking around like nothing had happened at all.
This video has been edited and shows an effect that is not realistic.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Devin on May 23, 2013, 11:23:09 pm
They are mentally ill to say the least, trying to make an example of the person they murdered and by making this "video" to get publicity.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 11:24:21 pm
This is so weird. How can people be normal around two guys armed with machetes and knives, and even a bypasser taking an interview from them? People were walking around like nothing had happened at all.
If they act terrified it will only escalate the situation and could have caused the men to have paniced and injured other people. Those people on the streets were unarmed, defenceless and have common sense to know not to go up to someone who has a knife and a gun.

The reason it took the police a longer response time is because they had to wait for the armed response units to arrive before the unarmed officers could enter the scene. It's just standard procedure but I still think the police did an excellent job in getting there quickly.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Xavier12 on May 23, 2013, 11:29:10 pm
Why did he even murdered a soldier?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 23, 2013, 11:36:44 pm
Okay, before the people create something crazy, i was born in London, East London, i have lived here 17 years, i am a full white English boy, i have no religion, but i still believe there is a god, after watching the news and seeing what these men did sickens me,  i cant stop thinking about it, but the media did say they are, Muslim Terrorists, okay, the first thing i want to say is, Muslims are not terrorist, i have many Muslim friends, to many to count, i speak to them openly about these things, about Muslims being classed as "Terrorists" and they always say the same thing, there religion is about peace, these men where not true Muslims, they did this as a revenge attack for there country, they used Allah, as a excuse, (this is what i believe) as being brought up in a country what has the highest amount of Muslims/Islamic etc, people i have never, thought a Muslim to be a "Terrorist". what happened yesterday was sickening the people who did it, need what was done to that poor man done to them, i always praise the soldiers, who protect us day in and day out, so that we can walk down these streets without a care in the world, no one should blame Muslims, and no one should blame the Government, what was done yesterday was done by animals, not humans, my main thoughts go out to the family of the man, and also the members of the public who saw this happen, R.I.P Solider, always a fighter.
The people you talk to are not telling the full truth, or are badly informed.

The attackers had a Nigerian background, and were originally Christians who converted to Islam. This means that they had nothing to do what so ever with Afghanistan other than that the Taliban there formed a Muslim government.
These men were misled and fed extremist information until they snapped. It should be investigated where and how that happened, and the guilty people should be punished.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 23, 2013, 11:46:09 pm
Why did he even murdered a soldier?
They* In what looks to be an anti-government attack.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 24, 2013, 12:06:05 am
I don't get it.

There's no-one to blame but the man himself. The man is a simple murderer. The fact he uses the islam as a cover for his deeds doesn't matter.
If the same murderer didn't use the words Allah, Sura'h and Aya' in his speech, it'd be less worse?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 24, 2013, 12:42:34 am
This is so weird. How can people be normal around two guys armed with machetes and knives, and even a bypasser taking an interview from them? People were walking around like nothing had happened at all.
What do you expect them to do? The vile creatures had already brutally murdered the poor man, he was dead, would you get mad with 2 psychopaths who just cut up an innocent guy who are also wielding a knives and a gun?

Since WW2..
(http://www.ratedpeople.com/blog/assets/2012/10/keep-calm-and-carry-on.png)

Why did he even murdered a soldier?
They blame the British army for killing 'innocent' Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Gandalf on May 24, 2013, 12:11:58 pm
I don't get it.

There's no-one to blame but the man himself. The man is a simple murderer. The fact he uses the islam as a cover for his deeds doesn't matter.
If the same murderer didn't use the words Allah, Sura'h and Aya' in his speech, it'd be less worse?
Would you think it would be worse if it were a Dutch Buddhist who killed a Moroccan Muslim because of the happenings in Tibet?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 24, 2013, 10:04:08 pm
Caution: Don't watch if you cry over everything.

[FULL/RAW] Woolwich Attack: NEW Shocking Video of Terrorists Charging at Police Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_EI_S9fzP0#ws)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Reece on May 26, 2013, 02:35:06 pm
The carpet of flowers for Drummer Rigby: Thousands leave floral tributes in the street where the soldier was hacked to death
Thousands of tributes to soldier Lee Rigby have been laid in the Woolwich street where he was killed
Flowers, balloons and flags also line the fence around nearby Woolwich Barracks, in south east London
Area has become a shrine to the soldier where emotional members of the public come to pay respects

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/26/article-2331126-1A011049000005DC-662_964x640.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/26/article-0-19FF37FC000005DC-422_964x480.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/26/article-0-1A00E963000005DC-595_964x642.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/26/article-2331126-1A0113B7000005DC-253_964x640.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/25/article-2330219-19FE16A4000005DC-616_964x585.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/25/article-2330219-19FE161B000005DC-755_964x648.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/25/article-2330219-19FE1544000005DC-670_964x591.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/24/article-2330219-19FA5030000005DC-215_964x673.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/24/article-2330219-19FA79A7000005DC-936_964x641.jpg)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 26, 2013, 03:21:34 pm
I love the picture at the bottom Reece, the poor soldier got killed for wearing a Help For Hero's t-shirt, and there 2 people are wearing that, if that isn't a middle finger to terrorists I don't know what is.

I hate how BBC keeps showing Muslims putting flowers down and then praying, honestly they worship the Quaran which encourages the slaughtering of all non-believers, and how many non-believers are there in the UK? 65million? I don't mind people of Pakistan and other Muslim countries being in the UK, but if they want to come here they should leave their stupid religion behind, we don't want it in our country, and neither does many other countries in Europe.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 26, 2013, 05:45:48 pm
That's a LOT of flowers. I wonder what the increase in sales of Help for Heroes merchandise was.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: SugarD on May 26, 2013, 05:59:04 pm
I wonder what the increase in sales of Help for Heroes merchandise was.
You do realize this topic is about a soldier being killed, right? :P
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Devin on May 26, 2013, 06:09:57 pm
It's rather clear what the topic is in regards to, if he didn't realize I doubt he would have mentioned Help for Heroes.
Too bad people will spend hundreds of dollars on flowers and other items yet many won't donate a penny to a foundation.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 26, 2013, 06:48:10 pm
You do realize this topic is about a soldier being killed, right? :P
I know exactly what this topic is about. It was claimed that he was killed whilst wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt and was also a member of the Armed Forces which the charity Help for Heroes aids injured service personnel and their families. Most people out of respect have bought a Help for Heroes t-shirt or mechanise, which caused the website to crash, I said that I would be interested to see how much this incident has increased donations towards the fantastic work they do to help our Armed Forces.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Reece on May 26, 2013, 06:54:00 pm
That's a LOT of flowers. I wonder what the increase in sales of Help for Heroes merchandise was.

£600,000 in 4 days
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 26, 2013, 06:54:48 pm
Would you think it would be worse if it were a Dutch Buddhist who killed a Moroccan Muslim because of the happenings in Tibet?
No, a murderer is a murderer. Be it a buddhist, muslim, nazi or christian.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Reece on May 26, 2013, 06:57:03 pm
BREAKING:

Woolwich stabbing leaves man in hospital
A man in his 20s is in hospital after being stabbed in Woolwich.

Police said it happened just a "few streets away" from the scene of Wednesday's attack on Drummer Lee Rigby, but it is not being linked to the killing.

A spokesman said the victim sustained non-life threatening injuries in the stabbing, just before 16:00 BST.

Mr Rigby, with the 2nd Battalion Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was run over and then fatally injured, last Wednesday.

More on This Story
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 26, 2013, 07:17:23 pm
No, a murderer is a murderer. Be it a buddhist, muslim, nazi or christian.
Apart from the fact that what happend in Woolwich isn't being seen as a murder, but a terrorist attack encouraged by the book ALL Muslims worship.

BREAKING:

Woolwich stabbing leaves man in hospital
A man in his 20s is in hospital after being stabbed in Woolwich.

Police said it happened just a "few streets away" from the scene of Wednesday's attack on Drummer Lee Rigby, but it is not being linked to the killing.

A spokesman said the victim sustained non-life threatening injuries in the stabbing, just before 16:00 BST.

Mr Rigby, with the 2nd Battalion Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was run over and then fatally injured, last Wednesday.

More on This Story
Someone called a chav stupid and he lost it? :lol:
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 26, 2013, 09:19:09 pm
£600,000 in 4 days
Fantastic.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Alsatian on May 26, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
Never thought I'd say this, but Russell Brand has put into perspective the events of the last week perfectly: http://www.russellbrand.tv/2013/05/woolwich/ (http://www.russellbrand.tv/2013/05/woolwich/)
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Bundy on May 26, 2013, 10:02:20 pm
Apart from the fact that what happend in Woolwich isn't being seen as a murder, but a terrorist attack encouraged by the book ALL Muslims worship.
I don't get it.

There's no-one to blame but the man himself. The man is a simple murderer. The fact he uses the islam as a cover for his deeds doesn't matter.
If the same murderer didn't use the words Allah, Sura'h and Aya' in his speech, it'd be less worse?
And yeah, ALL muslims follow the Quran, but do you see ALL muslims running around with machettes hacking into people?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 26, 2013, 11:07:47 pm
Never thought I'd say this, but Russell Brand has put into perspective the events of the last week perfectly: http://www.russellbrand.tv/2013/05/woolwich/ (http://www.russellbrand.tv/2013/05/woolwich/)
Russel Brand is an idiot.

And yeah, ALL muslims worship the Quran, but do you see ALL muslims running around with machettes hacking into people?
No but it's just as bad as you worship the book which encourages and HAS encouraged people to do it.

If your religion is so good, why does it tell you to slaughter most of the worlds population because they do not believe in Allah?
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Vladislav on May 26, 2013, 11:25:06 pm
Apart from the fact that what happened in Woolwich isn't being seen as a murder, but a terrorist attack encouraged by the book ALL Muslims worship.

Lol Muslim's don't worship a book. They worship their creator, Allah. If you're going to make out as if Islam is the enemy here at least do some research into it and educate yourself into the teachings of Islam before you comment on what it advocates or condemns. And that doesn't mean compiling all the misquoted and out of context quotes on violence you can find in the Qur'an as the basis of your argument. :)

Anyway, I feel for the Soldiers family - it's always sad to hear of someone's death no matter what his/her background or by whose hands they died.  However I hope people understand that just by reading a book one does not develop murderous tendencies. Like said before clearly these were two very misled people who were brainwashed to the point they were able to console themselves with some sort of self-justification for what they had just done.

People will always point fingers to certain groups or people rather than accept the fact that the human mind is corrupted in it's basis. And when you bring Religion into the equation these corrupted minds will try find reasoning for their actions where there is actually no valid reason for their sick acts at all. No religion condones the act of killing an innocent human being otherwise God knows if humanity would have actually came this far.

The sooner we realise Humans as a whole are fucked up the better - preaching intolerance towards a belief just because some members of that faith choose to be intolerant towards others will only create more hatred.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Jason_Bridges on May 27, 2013, 12:04:10 am
I hate how BBC keeps showing Muslims putting flowers down and then praying, honestly they worship the Quaran which encourages the slaughtering of all non-believers, and how many non-believers are there in the UK? 65million? I don't mind people of Pakistan and other Muslim countries being in the UK, but if they want to come here they should leave their stupid religion behind, we don't want it in our country, and neither does many other countries in Europe.

You think the BBC should ban footage of Muslims putting down flowers and you also think that a religion should be banned because "we don't want it in our country"? Speak for yourself... I am not religious, but I don't want to live in a country where people are only allowed to have certain beliefs, because 'the majority' disagrees with them, that's just wrong. Writing what you've written does nothing apart from make you sound extremely ignorant. "they worship the Quaran which encourages the slaughtering of all non-believers" - guess what, the Bible does too.

Whilst I also feel strongly against this disgusting act of violence, what I also hate is people willing to stoop down to the level of these backwards and delusional psychos by expressing ridiculous ideas like yours - banning a religious belief, because of a select few people...
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Mikal on May 27, 2013, 12:41:15 am
You think the BBC should ban footage of Muslims putting down flowers and you also think that a religion should be banned because "we don't want it in our country"? Speak for yourself... I am not religious, but I don't want to live in a country where people are only allowed to have certain beliefs, because 'the majority' disagrees with them, that's just wrong. Writing what you've written does nothing apart from make you sound extremely ignorant. "they worship the Quaran which encourages the slaughtering of all non-believers" - guess what, the Bible does too.

Whilst I also feel strongly against this disgusting act of violence, what I also hate is people willing to stoop down to the level of these backwards and delusional psychos by expressing ridiculous ideas like yours - banning a religious belief, because of a select few people...
Ok, and tell me how many times people have actually murdered people as you say the bible tells them to compared to how many times Muslims have murdered people because of what the Quaran says.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Vladislav on May 27, 2013, 04:45:21 pm
Ok, and tell me how many times people have actually murdered people as you say the bible tells them to compared to how many times Muslims have murdered people because of what the Quaran says.

As if a head count is necessary - Murder is murder whether in mass numbers or small, whether by Christian or Muslim or whatever religion. It seems your animosity towards Islam is clouding your judgement of the situation here.

For someone so patriotic I find it funny how you bash the Muslims of whose Grandfathers along with the rest of the British Indian Army fought alongside yours in WW1 & WW2. Were they also the murderous devils you view the Muslims as for volunteering to fight on your side?
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Post by: SugarD on May 27, 2013, 05:02:11 pm
Ok, and tell me how many times people have actually murdered people as you say the bible tells them to compared to how many times Muslims have murdered people because of what the Quaran says.
The Crusades.
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Post by: Alsatian on May 27, 2013, 05:04:35 pm
Russel Brand is an idiot.
No but it's just as bad as you worship the book which encourages and HAS encouraged people to do it.

His article suggests the contrary.

Ok, and tell me how many times people have actually murdered people as you say the bible tells them to compared to how many times Muslims have murdered people because of what the Quaran says.

Oh dear...  :roll:
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Post by: Mikal on May 27, 2013, 05:15:29 pm
The Crusades.
Sorry how many hundreds of years ago was that?
We live in a modern era where slaughter of humans is no longer acceptable, if you're going to kill someone, atleast shoot them, not cut them up in public for everyone to see..
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Post by: Jason_Bridges on May 27, 2013, 08:29:19 pm
Ok, and tell me how many times people have actually murdered people as you say the bible tells them to compared to how many times Muslims have murdered people because of what the Quaran says.

What difference does that make? It doesn't matter what the religion is, they all equally have their flaws. I'm still trying t understand why you said the BBC should ban footage of Muslims putting down flowers and showing their respect, do you realise how stupid that sounds? Your hatred for this religion is built on you own ignorance and assumptions about things that you've no idea what you're even talking about.

Like I said, the opinions your expressing are just as wrong as those of the terrorists who did this. What do you expect to accomplish by stooping down to their level?
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Post by: Mikal on May 27, 2013, 09:00:07 pm
What difference does that make? It doesn't matter what the religion is, they all equally have their flaws. I'm still trying t understand why you said the BBC should ban footage of Muslims putting down flowers and showing their respect, do you realise how stupid that sounds? Your hatred for this religion is built on you own ignorance and assumptions about things that you've no idea what you're even talking about.

Like I said, the opinions your expressing are just as wrong as those of the terrorists who did this. What do you expect to accomplish by stooping down to their level?
I DID NOT say they should ban it, I said they should stop intentionally getting Muslims to put flowers down just so they can record it, I mean seriously they had them all queued up waiting to be recorded, how many British people did they intentionally get to stand there and wait to be recorded? They still all pray to the god with the book which encourages mass slaughter of humans, and yes other religions do aswell, but when was the last time you heard of those other religions actually doing something like it? Where as the islamic religions do things like this on a daily bases, be it in their own country or someone elses.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Vladislav on May 28, 2013, 04:42:11 am
I DID NOT say they should ban it, I said they should stop intentionally getting Muslims to put flowers down just so they can record it, I mean seriously they had them all queued up waiting to be recorded, how many British people did they intentionally get to stand there and wait to be recorded? They still all pray to the god with the book which encourages mass slaughter of humans, and yes other religions do aswell, but when was the last time you heard of those other religions actually doing something like it? Where as the islamic religions do things like this on a daily bases, be it in their own country or someone elses.

Islamic religions? It seems the more you speak the more you're exposing yourself of being just another ignorant Islamophobe. It seems you're enraged by the fact that there are actually a large majority of Muslim people out there who do not long for war and bloodshed, actually have a heart and felt sorrow after hearing of this brutal murder, i bet it makes your blood boil. Why should Muslim people not be recorded putting flowers down where Lee Rigby died? So people like you can accuse them as being heartless and without a conscience? How can you infer just by watching the television that the placing of flowers by the Muslims is staged or they're being told to do so by those filming them?

And if you seriously think killings in the name of religions other than Islam don't happen in the world anymore i wonder in which isolated corner of the Earth you dwell. Have you not heard about Anders Behring Breivik who killed and/or wounded 100+ people in Norway not so long ago? The Lords Resistance Army in Uganda who constantly kill and commit atrocities in the name of religion? The various "witch killings" that take place all over Africa? The massacre of Muslims in Burma? It would seem either this news doesn't reach wherever you may live or you just close your eyes to any murders that take place in the name of any other religion apart from Islam  :)
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Post by: Mikal on May 28, 2013, 09:36:40 am
Islamic religions? It seems the more you speak the more you're exposing yourself of being just another ignorant Islamophobe. It seems you're enraged by the fact that there are actually a large majority of Muslim people out there who do not long for war and bloodshed, actually have a heart and felt sorrow after hearing of this brutal murder, i bet it makes your blood boil. Why should Muslim people not be recorded putting flowers down where Lee Rigby died? So people like you can accuse them as being heartless and without a conscience? How can you infer just by watching the television that the placing of flowers by the Muslims is staged or they're being told to do so by those filming them?

And if you seriously think killings in the name of religions other than Islam don't happen in the world anymore i wonder in which isolated corner of the Earth you dwell. Have you not heard about Anders Behring Breivik who killed and/or wounded 100+ people in Norway not so long ago? The Lords Resistance Army in Uganda who constantly kill and commit atrocities in the name of religion? The various "witch killings" that take place all over Africa? The massacre of Muslims in Burma? It would seem either this news doesn't reach wherever you may live or you just close your eyes to any murders that take place in the name of any other religion apart from Islam  :)
Anders Behring Breivik was because of political reasons, as for parts of Africa, they are a complete mess with people stabbing eachother for near to any reason, I'm not saying other religions do not commit these kind of atrocities, I'm simply saying that it should not be happening in modern and evolved countries such as the UK, a country where atheism is growing fast, when was the last time we heard of someone being cut up in the street because a Catholic got mad that people were insulting god? Thats right, I've never heard of any such instance, where as we constantly hear about Muslim extremists being arrested, like a few weeks ago when 5 Muslims were arrested under terrorism charges which they funded by using money from a Muslim charity in the UK, and like Wednesday when this happend, the 7/7 bombings, the twin towers (not in the UK of course) and what happend in Boston, I could go on but I have to go to work, thanks.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: Vladislav on May 28, 2013, 04:48:27 pm
Anders Behring Breivik was because of political reasons, as for parts of Africa, they are a complete mess with people stabbing eachother for near to any reason, I'm not saying other religions do not commit these kind of atrocities, I'm simply saying that it should not be happening in modern and evolved countries such as the UK, a country where atheism is growing fast, when was the last time we heard of someone being cut up in the street because a Catholic got mad that people were insulting god? Thats right, I've never heard of any such instance, where as we constantly hear about Muslim extremists being arrested, like a few weeks ago when 5 Muslims were arrested under terrorism charges which they funded by using money from a Muslim charity in the UK, and like Wednesday when this happend, the 7/7 bombings, the twin towers (not in the UK of course) and what happend in Boston, I could go on but I have to go to work, thanks.

Breivik himself said that he saw himself as a "21st century crusader" battling against Islam in Europe. He like you was fed up of the mass influx of Muslims in Europe, something that obviously threatened him in some way and influenced him in committing an act of terrorism. Now just because you and him have the same ideas about Muslims emigrating to your countries dare I suggest that you might go out and do the same thing? No because it takes way more than just a little idea or piece of text to spark someones mind to do such a thing.

And I found it funny how you just brushed off Africa as if the crimes in the name of Christianity or any other religion are any less of a crime than those that take place in our "civilised" countries.

I'm simply saying that it should not be happening in modern and evolved countries such as the UK

Right, lets act like knife/gun crime doesn't already exist in the UK or other "civilised" countries in the Western world, for reasons that are not religiously-fuelled. Before the murder in Woolwich and the Boston Bombing the worlds eyes were all on the US because of psychopaths shooting up schools, ex-cops shooting up their colleagues and their families and leading cops on a large man hunt, incompetent security guards killing young boys etc. As for the UK, if the two people who killed Lee Rigby weren't Muslim men this would have more than likely just ended up another statistic amongst the already alarming knife crime incidents that have occurred in places like London, Manchester, Birmingham. Not even you would be able to justify pointing fingers at the Muslims for all these instances.

like a few weeks ago when 5 Muslims were arrested under terrorism charges which they funded by using money from a Muslim charity in the UK

Once again you're either misinformed or are trying to fabricate nonsense as you go along to prove that Muslims openly and gladly advocate terrorism. These men didn't just approach a charity and ask them for money so that they could fund their terrorist plot. They used deception by going door to door in different neighbourhoods and asking for a little financial contribution towards a Mosque they were building either in the UK or abroad. They used this approach because they know that Muslims are generally sympathetic to the idea of building a place of worship and its seen as a great deed.
Title: Re: Two men shot by armed police after hacking soldier to death
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 29, 2013, 02:52:11 pm
As for the UK, if the two people who killed Lee Rigby weren't Muslim men this would have more than likely just ended up another statistic
The fact that this was a terrorist attack has been the reason for all the media attention.

Post Merge: May 30, 2013, 09:01:06 pm
Update:

A man has appeared in court charged with murdering soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich, south-east London.

A handcuffed Michael Adebowale, 22, spoke only to confirm his name and address during the short hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court. An armed convoy escorted the suspect to and from Westminster Magistrates Court, as Matt Prodger reports. He was remanded in custody and will appear at the Old Bailey on Monday.

[READ MORE] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22713349)



It doesn't make sense to me why they get a police escort to prison only to confirm their name and then go back. To me it's a simple waste of taxpayer's money for something that we already know.
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