Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Teddy on June 24, 2013, 10:53:52 am
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Fire with Fire - Ross Kauffman - GE FOCUS FORWARD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6SzI2ZfPd4#ws)
I'm honestly speechless. Feedback? Thoughts?
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Leukemia is the abnormal increase of white blood cells, and HIV attacks white blood cells. So yes, you can genetically modify the virus to attack these benign cells.
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This is mind blowing.
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Sick, i love medical science.
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To think that using a virus to combat a virus results in the cure for both, amazing!
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To think that using a virus to combat a virus results in the cure for both, amazing!
Cancer ain't a virus.
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Cancer ain't a virus.
I know that, wrong choice of words apparently ^^
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I hope this is true, people have suffered long enough..
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:conf:
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Sicknessception?
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Well, this treatment might cure leukemia (though there are various "versions" of it, so this may only cure one "version" while the others are still untreatable), but there's so many more kinds of cancer.
It's a huge leap to be able to treat leukemia but there's still many other forms of cancer which are still basically untreatable.
Let's hope they find cures for that, soon, as well.
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Well, this treatment might cure leukemia (though there are various "versions" of it, so this may only cure one "version" while the others are still untreatable), but there's so many more kinds of cancer.
It's a huge leap to be able to treat leukemia but there's still many other forms of cancer which are still basically untreatable.
Let's hope they find cures for that, soon, as well.
According to their goal they are trying to have it target cancer cells, not just Leukemia. However it is a significant step in the right direction as you said.
To think that using a virus to combat a virus results in the cure for both, amazing!
What do you mean for both? They will be causing and injecting the HIV virus, however will not cure, prevent or cause (from its direct source) the aids virus. It would be interesting however to see this concept applied against the AIDS virus.
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It's like -2 x -2 = +4 , I hope it works, People suffered enough here though, 40% of the Egyptian people are suffering the cancer, We could treat 15% of them, Ofcourse god is the main reason of the treatment of all those people but let's wish we can fix that.
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This is mind blowing.
My thoughts exactly...(at least until my mind exploded :D )...
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I hope this is a effective method. Fuck you Cancer!
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Well, hope for the best ..
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How many times have we heard of cures? If it's really working, firstly it will cost a lot of money which most won't be able to aqquire and secondly pharmaceutical companies won't let it be distributed so they can keep making money.
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Hmmm.. I wonder if you can cure death with life. :trust:
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Amazing to think that HIV, that has claimed so many lives, can later be modified to fight against another mass-killer.
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Don't like to be the buggy wiseass, with a view at corpocracy, buuuuttt....
(http://www.sthopd.net/ImgX/HumanOverpopulation/Science/World_Population_Graph_year_Pre7000BC_to_2025AD_metalAges.jpg)
:roll:
Same reason electricity, internet, fuel, media, etcetctec is free, transparent and open. If it would be, no money, no money, no life. A disastrous event like the plague, how utterly cold it may seem, is our only salvation to go into the nessesary degression, opposite of the 'infinite' eco, poli, soci growth that we've strifed for centuries. Earth isn't unlimited, our fantasy and imagination are. Not that they can't lead to reality and practise, as they do... Anyway, +1 science.
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How many times have we heard of cures? If it's really working, firstly it will cost a lot of money which most won't be able to aqquire and secondly pharmaceutical companies won't let it be distributed so they can keep making money.
Did you even watch the video? Pharmaceutical companies have nothing to do with it, it isn't a god damn pill lol. Watch the video before posting. If you had, you'd see its a process in which the patients own blood is taken, infected with HIV to teach the immune system's cells (white blood cells) to attack the cancer cells. These cells are then placed back into the patients. No pills, or crap needed.
Yes it costs a lot of money, $20,000. My grandfather had open heart surgery last year and his bill was over $70,000. How much did he pay? Nothing. Its called insurance.
How many times have we heard of cures? Not many. None of them worked either in human trials, these are some of the first attempts in humans for a cure. In addition, the first attempt that WORKED.
Wasn't even that long of a video to watch, you should have and we both would have saved time.
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How many times have we heard of cures? If it's really working, firstly it will cost a lot of money which most won't be able to aqquire and secondly pharmaceutical companies won't let it be distributed so they can keep making money.
If you had a chance to cure a loved one of an aggressive cancer, would you really look at the price tag? I know I wouldn't. Like Teddy said, there is health insurance.
What is remarkable, is that it didn't take trial and error to for the HIV to kill the cancer.
The video is wonderful. It's an amazing thing to see a child that battled such a horrible disease, to get to live a normal and happy life.
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Hmmmm. Ill tell you something ;)
HIV cells are viruses which need to reproduce and survive. In a host, a human, they enter an immune cell, take over its genetic machinery and use it to reproduce. Then they leave the cells. Since they're inside the cells, immunity cell cannot find them. Now what happens is that when reproducing they cause HIV surface antigens to come on the surface of the cells. Basically, immune cells would now see these cells as threats and kill them. HIV by that time leaves the cell and the body ends up killing its own cells. The reproduced HIV go and attack other cells.
Cancer cells on the other hand are human cells with a malfunctioned nucleus. They're just like human cells except they keep on dividing uncontrollably, via mitosis. This continous growth damages everything around them. There's a subtle difference between cancer cells and human normal cells.
Now theoretically we can say that we can genetically modify HIV cells to target only cancer cells. This is a very very splendid method.
But... Its practically very very difficult.
1st thing 1st, we have to genetically modify the HIV to only and only attack the cancer cells. How do we do that. The HIV virus enters a cell using something called a CD4 receptor. And thats present on immune cells and thats why HIV enters them. How exactly will HIV target cancer cells.
Cells differentiate each other using surface receptors, which are kind of the same for both a unspecialized human cell and cancer cell.
The virus is also said to be genetically modified to not cause the disease. Still somewhat possible but again a difficult task to achieve.
Theoretically its very good. Practically, I think it will take around 10 years till we come close to using this method. Its not as easy as it sounds.
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No joke but I had this idea long ago, taking my inspiration from defibrillators which actually kill you.
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Would be great if this had long term success.
We have never heard of absolute cures, just partial cures or those with a lot of potential to work. Some forms of cancer are less life threatening than others and 'cures' (or maybe better saying, medical techniques) exist to manage them.
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Would be great if this had long term success.
We have never heard of absolute cures, just partial cures or those with a lot of potential to work. Some forms of cancer are less life threatening than others and 'cures' (or maybe better saying, medical techniques) exist to manage them.
I recently found this, I guess it isn't perfect results yet... but they are working on it further. Even if the chance of success isn't 100% I would do it just to hope for that chance. Do keep in mind only 12 people have received this treatment. So it is still REALLY early in the process. These 12 people are people who had no other options and would eventually die and in a short period of time.
HIV helps save young cancer patient (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBER__aigiE#ws)
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Rigjt now they're only treating leukemia because thats a type of cancer involving white blood cells which HIV attacks.
Even if we succesfully create this genetically modified HIV, its only going to be for leukemia and not any other cancer.
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I recently found this, I guess it isn't perfect results yet... but they are working on it further. Even if the chance of success isn't 100% I would do it just to hope for that chance. Do keep in mind only 12 people have received this treatment. So it is still REALLY early in the process. These 12 people are people who had no other options and would eventually die and in a short period of time.
Really interesting. Some of the newer advances in finding a cure for cancer have been very intuitive. Some of the 'cures' only seem to work for some of those affected, but that makes sense as cancer is not just one illness, but a wide range of different medical conditions.
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Rigjt now they're only treating leukemia because thats a type of cancer involving white blood cells which HIV attacks.
Even if we succesfully create this genetically modified HIV, its only going to be for leukemia and not any other cancer.
What is wrong with you people and not being able to watch videos before replying. They are training more than attacking Leukemia, they are training to attack cancer cells. This includes many forms of cancer...
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What is wrong with you people and not being able to watch videos before replying. They are training more than attacking Leukemia, they are training to attack cancer cells. This includes many forms of cancer...
I saw the video man. Read my two posts.
This cure is only theoretic if you're aiming at other cancers. I dont think we're anywhere near that. We may be able to cure only leukemia with this. Which again may take a long time.
If you've studied biology you understand what Im tryna say. You just cant modify the HIV cell to go and target cancer cells in general. The situation is different with leukemia as HIV only attacks white blood cells. ;)
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I saw the video man. Read my two posts.
This cure is only theoretic if you're aiming at other cancers. I dont think we're anywhere near that. We may be able to cure only leukemia with this. Which again may take a long time.
If you've studied biology you understand what Im tryna say. You just cant modify the HIV cell to go and target cancer cells in general. The situation is different with leukemia as HIV only attacks white blood cells. ;)
The cure is not theoretical for other cancers, the cure has been tested on more than just Leukemia. The girl they've been speaking about was the most notable due to her severe past. The HIV isn't being used to attack the white blood cells. The HIV is being used to carry newly trained genetics which tells the immune system to attack specific cancer cells. HIV is only a "piggyback", a carrier of the code to the white blood cells. It isn't being used to attack the white blood cells.
Basically, let me make it really simple for you.
1. Genetic Code is genetically programmed to teach immune response that specif type of cancer cell is foreign, and to attack and kill it.
2. This Genetic code is fused with the HIV virus
3. The HIV virus infects existing T-Cells (immune)
4. Infected T-Cells get the HIV virus, as well as the new Genetic code
5. The t-cells are placed back into the blood
6. Immune response registers the Genetic code
7. Immune response duplicates t-cells
8. Immune response attacks cancer cells NOT WHITE BLOOD CELLS.
In theory, immune system can attack any cell it sees as foreign. This is how vaccines work. They get a dead form of the virus to teach the immune system how to defeat the virus. They are using HIV, which is notable for attacking white blood cells in a normal setting.. to embed the information on how to recognize and destroy cancer cells.
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The cure is not theoretical for other cancers, the cure has been tested on more than just Leukemia. The girl they've been speaking about was the most notable due to her severe past. The HIV isn't being used to attack the white blood cells. The HIV is being used to carry newly trained genetics which tells the immune system to attack specific cancer cells. HIV is only a "piggyback", a carrier of the code to the white blood cells. It isn't being used to attack the white blood cells.
In theory, immune system can attack any cell it sees as foreign. This is how vaccines work. They get a dead form of the virus to teach the immune system how to defeat the virus. They are using HIV, which is notable for attacking white blood cells in a normal setting.. to embed the information on how to recognize and destroy cancer cells.
Dr. Teddy is Dr.
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The cure is not theoretical for other cancers, the cure has been tested on more than just Leukemia. The girl they've been speaking about was the most notable due to her severe past. The HIV isn't being used to attack the white blood cells. The HIV is being used to carry newly trained genetics which tells the immune system to attack specific cancer cells. HIV is only a "piggyback", a carrier of the code to the white blood cells. It isn't being used to attack the white blood cells.
Basically, let me make it really simple for you.
1. Genetic Code is genetically programmed to teach immune response that specif type of cancer cell is foreign, and to attack and kill it.
2. This Genetic code is fused with the HIV virus
3. The HIV virus infects existing T-Cells (immune)
4. Infected T-Cells get the HIV virus, as well as the new Genetic code
5. The t-cells are placed back into the blood
6. Immune response registers the Genetic code
7. Immune response duplicates t-cells
8. Immune response attacks cancer cells NOT WHITE BLOOD CELLS.
In theory, immune system can attack any cell it sees as foreign. This is how vaccines work. They get a dead form of the virus to teach the immune system how to defeat the virus. They are using HIV, which is notable for attacking white blood cells in a normal setting.. to embed the information on how to recognize and destroy cancer cells.
Can you give me the link to this? This whole article?
This is interesting and I want to look up into it. The way you just described isnt how immunity works. It requires the surface antigens for a primary immune response which for most cancers are exactly the same as a normal cell. Thats why we dont have any 'vaccines' for cancer.
T cells are two types. Killer and helper. They're probably only involving killer. They have surface receptors made for various antigens.
What that means is, they have tiny prongs on their surface which attach to foreign cells.
Now every type of cell has different surface antigens. Theyre like recognition marks for that cell. So the Killer T Cell are of many types all have the prongs of the complementary shape to that of the surface antigens of the foriegn body.
When such a T cell attaches its prong to the surface antigen of the foriegn body and kills it.
With me? Now, when T cells are produced, some even have surface receptors complementary to the surface antigens of our normal human cells. That means they will start killing human cells too. These cells are destroyed somewhere in early childhood.
Now it does sort of make sense that they're making the T cells which would have the genetic code to have surface receptors complementary to that of a cancer cell. They multiply and kill the cancer.
Here's the entire problem.
1) Get the surface antigens of a cancer cell.
2) Get a antibody complimentary to it.
3) Make its genetic code which could be used by T cells.
Right?
Most, and Ive said this many times, most cancer cells have exactly the same surface antigens as that of a normal human cell. The only difference is that a cancer cell keeps on going through mitosis. Now some cancers do show different receptors, and that may be worked on too. But thats the whole trouble we've had with cancer since the beginning. I mean, why couldn't we just cure it? Because its exactly the same as human cells!! We cant create vaccines or anything because those vaccines will start killing our own cells too.
Please do gimme a link. Really want to know this shi in detail.
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The videos I posted explain it. That is how the immune response works, that is how vaccines work. By introducing the "virus" into the blood stream so the T-cells learn how to detect and destroy the invading cells. In this case, they aren't introducing cancer rather skipping the process and just having cells designed to detect and destroy cancer cells. The CNN video I posted, Sanjay Gupta explained it in a nutshell.
There is no article that I've found so far, just a few videos from legitimate sources. The university has probably published something more solid regarding it. You'd have to find that.
They have created a special type of killer t-cells, they call them 'serial killer cells'. They are able to recognize cancer cells, I don't know how, I'm not a fucking doctor, geneticist or biologist.. they just do. It isn't the "entire" problem as they've figured it out, since... they actually know what they are doing...
I do know there is more than one way the immune response is activated, it doesn't always need to be on virus detection. What do you think allergies are? The immune response handles the certain exposure to what every the allergen may be and responds to it as a threat.
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Ohey I didn't know Argonath had real doctors, you guys should team up and open a real life hospital or something. :poke:
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Wow,Dr.Teddy ....
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Ohey I didn't know Argonath had real doctors, you guys should team up and open a real life hospital or something. :poke:
I don't know how, I'm not a fucking doctor, geneticist or biologist.. they just do.
Smartass. Also, Argonath does... TeaM MIB.
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Ohey I didn't know Argonath had real doctors, you guys should team up and open a real life hospital or something. :poke:
You really like to start shit with anyone, don't you?
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Om joining med college this august. MIB is too! :D
Pray for me lads, <3
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Smartass. Also, Argonath does... TeaM MIB.
Dude, how the fuck am I a donkey?!
Although I do like the smart part.
You really like to start shit with anyone, don't you?
I just speak my mind, if people don't like it then they shouldn't read what I say. :razz:
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Dude, how the f**k am I a donkey?!
Although I do like the smart part.
I just speak my mind, if people don't like it then they shouldn't read what I say. :razz:
Hahahahahahah xD