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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Andre9977 on November 07, 2007, 06:27:27 pm
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http://parazite.nn.fi/jokela/ - Stuff about the shooting
http://www.kimmo.org/jokela/ - Stuff about the shooting, 2
SEVEN children were killed when a fellow pupil opened fire at a school in southern Finland overnight, hours after a video was posted on YouTube predicting a massacre there.
The school principal also died.
The gunman, who had walked through Jokela High School firing into classroom after classroom with a .22-caliber handgun, is in hospital after wounding himself in the head.
“Five boys, two girls and one adult woman were killed,†police chief Matti Tohkanen told a news conference.
He later identified the woman as the principal of the school in Tuusula municipality, a town of 35,000 some 60km from Helsinki.
The YouTube video, set to a hard-driving song called Stray Bullet, shows a still photo of a low building that appears to be Jokela High School.
The photo breaks apart to reveal a red-tinted picture of a man pointing a handgun at the camera.
Gunman worked 'systematically'
“He (the gunman) was moving systematically through the school hallways, knocking on the doors and shooting through the doors,†said Kim Kiuru, who was teaching a grade 8 class when the shooting began.
“It felt unreal, a pupil I have taught myself was running towards me, screaming, a pistol in his hand.â€ÂÂ
Police said the gun used in the massacre was legal and registered to the gunman on October 19.
“When police arrived there was complete chaos, pupils were jumping out of the building through the windows,â€ÂÂinspector Timo Leppala, head of the field investigation, said .
Outside a church community building close by, a mother waited as a Red Cross bus pulled up outside.
She watched children stepping off the bus and burst into tears when, through a window, she spotted her child, unharmed.
'Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007'
The YouTube video, entitled Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007, was posted by a user called Sturmgeist89.
“I am prepared to fight and die for my cause,†read a posting by a user of the same name.
“I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.â€ÂÂ
“Sturmgeist†means storm spirit in German.
A user of the same name posted several videos two weeks ago, all with a theme of terrorism, massacres and genocide.
Among the videos posted include a tribute to Columbine killer Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, a tribute to US terrorist the Unabomber, a selection of scenes from Schindler's List in which Jews are tortured and killed and a post glorifying the last days of the Twin Towers.
Lyrics to various KMFDM songs, including Stray Bullet, were posted on a website maintained by Harris.
Hours after the shooting, the user's account was suspended.
Violence rare in Finland
The school serves some 500 middle and high school students.
“This is a peaceful place, nothing like this has happened and nothing like this is to be expected either,†Tuusula mayor Hannu Joensivusaid.
Despite having the world's third-largest per capita handgun ownership, violent incidents are rare at Finnish schools.
According to Finnish media, there have been four stabbings at schools since 1999.
None of these caused fatalities.
Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen said the shooting was an “extremely sad eventâ€ÂÂ.
The last major attack in the country occurred in 2002 when a young man killed including himself and six others in a bomb blast at a shopping mall in Helsinki.
Additional reporting by Sakari Suoninen, Terhi Kinnunen and Agnieszka Flak
Saw this in news, also the "Just testing my gun" video by him, did a little research in Youtube & got to a account InvictusTV (http://youtube.com/user/InvictusTV)
All videos on Youtube by Sturmgeist89 have been deleted, but I was able to watch them 4 hours ago.
You should be able to get copy at the sites brought up before.
Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Really sad, don't know how the hell should that guy feel?
Very sad, I've been in Tuusula...
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I live about 10 km from the scene.
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the world is getting worse, thats all i can say atm....
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all i have to say
Dear god
look after the familys of the ones that died in the horrible accident that happend in finland pray that they get to heaven saftly pray that u will heal the ones who are wounded in hospital and that this will be a leason to all that guns are unjust and that guns are not a toy and i pray for the person that did this that u can forgive him and help him back to sense and the right path in jesus name Amen
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I live about 10 km from the scene.
My dad had a appartment in Tuusula ( So about 1KM from that ), but he moved to your town now :)
My vid 1, gonna be removed in 10 mins actually - http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcep0S4kU0
My vid 2, http://youtube.com/watch?v=WQ-wBPY76_A
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My dad had a appartment in Tuusula ( So about 1KM from that ), but he moved to your town now :)
Actually, Tuusula is quite big place and it consists of several different "centrums". So if somebody lives in Tuusula, it means he can live anywhere withind 20 km from the scene. This crime happened in Jokela.
(http://www.tuusula.fi/liitetiedostot/materiaali_edit/3212.jpg)
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Andre, you do relise that video is now legal evidence....
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I do understand, but when that video is available for public, why can't I?
When there is need, it will be removed by Youtube DEV's
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I saw that InvictusTV when it wasn't closed.
If you want to read why this maniac killed those people, click here. Warning: psycho (http://www.kimmo.org/jokela/sturmgeist89-youtube.txt)..
:pop:
-xcasio
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IMHO opinion, i wouldn't even waste anything to do with capital punishment or anything like that if this guy gets caught, just let him rot in an old pit somewhere, he is a discrace to man kind...
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Sad, very sad. :(
Oh well, if I have to find a good point at this, we will have few lessons off tomorrow..
http://www.kuvaton.com/jokela-mirror/
Material from the guys website, which was closed. Contains most of his writings and some videos. Most of it is finnish, but there are english texts aswell. They're pretty much same as in Andres links.
8 persons were shot - 5 boys, 2 girls and principal of the school, 50 years old woman. The murderer is in hospital in critical state.
And yes, I know that this isn't big event compared to what happens all around the world, but it is very rare in Finland. This was second school shooting in Finland. First one was at 1989.
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Hope he dies in hospital :mad: i just saw live footage from the BBC and omg, they showed parts of the vid and everything
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Its just too sad, he also had a license to carry a gun, thats just sick...
In holland u cant just carry a gun, licenses to carry a gun in holland doesnt exist...
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He was member of some hunting club, thats why he had weapons.
He shot himself to head in the end and will probably die tonight, atleast his condition is very critical.
In case he manages to survive, he'll probably be a vegetable or something like that for rest of his life.
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Well reviewing what Jnn just said...i hope he lives to be a vegtable!! :mad:
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Yep, also the Italian channels are talking about that.
Wanna hear a strange coincidence?
Yesterday a sniper of the italian army started shooting form his balcony and screaming "I hate you, i kill you all!". He killed a man, wounded 3 Carabinieri officers (Military Police), a state police officer, a security guard, a woman, a girl, and another person. Then he surrendered and he said: very good guys, are you here to cut off my head?
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Sounds like a good punishment.
Let him enjoy the black side & being unable to move himself, before he hits the hell...
I can't belive something like that just came on a usual day... And how much people were there to actually see that Youtube video before the thing was going to happen?
Damn, I wish anyone goodwilling person would know that, I really do... There could have been a way to keep it from happening.
Fucking psycho :redface:
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Andre, Your video is on CNN, I just saw it
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I didn't do it.
I am just person who uploaded it :P
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i hope someone coms into the hospital and shoots the life support machine and give him poisonus drugs,
thats about 8 times the intensity of murediring one person.
I hope he doesnt survive
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The shooter has now died because of his head wounds.
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i hope someone coms into the hospital and shoots the life support machine and give him poisonus drugs,
thats about 8 times the intensity of murediring one person.
I hope he doesnt survive
i bet thats what happened to him lol,at my city theres been 31+ fake calls to 911 saying that a gunman was in the school in the past months. I ve only gone through 2 at my school. The caller for the last one was a girl in my class. how they find out 1 she used a payphone near the school 2 they found the payphone and got her finger prints 3 the staff worker reconized her voice. i think she got like a 12 day suspension.
:ps: we set a new record in north america cuz of it
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Its just too sad, he also had a license to carry a gun, thats just sick...
In holland u cant just carry a gun, licenses to carry a gun in holland doesnt exist...
Not true. You can become member of a hunting or shooting club and get a license. But it is not allowed to carry the gun loaded and ready in public.
As for the Finnish shooter, I am sorry that nobody saw this video as serious. If you guys ever see such signs in a schoolmate, inform the school, the cops...anyone who might stop such guy before others die innocent from his delusions.
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R.I.P. to all these who died , and i feel sorry ta all their closer people... Hope that guy will stay alive and get jailed for rest of his life ...
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As for the Finnish shooter, I am sorry that nobody saw this video as serious. If you guys ever see such signs in a schoolmate, inform the school, the cops...anyone who might stop such guy before others die innocent from his delusions.
I think the shooter did put up his video just a moment before he went to school, so I guess no'one had time to inform about it anyways. :neutral:
R.I.P. to all these who died , and i feel sorry ta all their closer people... Hope that guy will stay alive and get jailed for rest of his life ...
In case you didn't notice what Kaltsu said, he died in hospital already. Few hours ago.
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Sorry To Bring Back Painful Memories to The Americans,
But something like this happened a few months ago..
A person went to a University and Massacared around 30 students...
Its a real shame that the world is like this...
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R.I.P
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Sorry To Bring Back Painful Memories to The Americans,
But something like this happened a few months ago..
A person went to a University and Massacared around 30 students...
Its a real shame that the world is like this...
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R.I.P
Virginia Tech Massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_tech_massacre
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At gandalf: Ye i kinda meant that... but ur right (as allways)
And i also heard on dutch radio the shooter died cuz of his injuries :poke:
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Video has 1K Views & Not deleted yet...
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I heard about it on the radio at work.
Jeez that guy must have had something seriously wrong with his head
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1. fuck everyone who says fuck this guy or that he should not live
2. it was 60 or 80 % of all finnish dudes had guns, it was only a matter of time that this happend
3. people get killed 24/7, people in iraq gets blasted over nothin by americans. herrased in prisons. man all kinds oh shit happen!
4. i dont know, maybe this guy was paranoid or skizo. still^^ people killed everyday, but when some shit come on the news everyone like "aww we live in a bad world, im sorry for his family, this guy should die, and all sorry for victims"
5. if they would show every shit that happend around the world you would spend your whole day saying i feel sorry!
6. dont jump me for speaking the truth! gas station where i be at!
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1. fuck everyone who says fuck this guy or that he should not live
I agree. Person who kills innocents deserves to get tortured for rest of his life, untill he dies.
This person got out of his crimes way too easily.
2. it was 60 or 80 % of all finnish dudes had guns, it was only a matter of time that this happend
Its very rare in Finland to own a gun. If you don't know anything about it, don't say it.
This boy had a gun because he was member of a hunting club.
3. people get killed 24/7, people in iraq gets blasted over nothin by americans. herrased in prisons. man all kinds oh shit happen!
True and stuff like that is totally shit. But it doesn't make this less horrible.
4. i dont know, maybe this guy was paranoid or skizo. still^^ people killed everyday, but when some shit come on the news everyone like "aww we live in a bad world, im sorry for his family, this guy should die, and all sorry for victims"
So, you don't feel bad for anyone who loses his child for example?
News are there to tell about stuff like this. I don't know if some person in US dies right now, therefore I can't feel sorry for him. I don't know that he's dieing. But if I see it on news, ofc it makes me feel bad and sorry for his family.
5. if they would show every shit that happend around the world you would spend your whole day saying i feel sorry!
What then?
6. dont jump me for speaking the truth! gas station where i be at!
Truths? I didn't see that many truths. :)
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read my sig^^
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Yeah.. Your sig is very funny. :lol:
Sorry, couldn't resist off-topic. Nice one Aragorn. :D
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read my sig^^
nice sig :rofl: oh ur banned :lol:
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Yeah.. Your sig is very funny. :lol:
Sorry, couldn't resist off-topic. Nice one Aragorn. :D
He got pwnedt :lol: