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Title: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 21, 2013, 07:30:24 pm
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The Provisional Parliament
of the United States of Argonath

The Provision Parliament of United States of Argonath is the reformed version and a successor of the Argonath Democracy Movement. It is a forum of the citizens of Argonath and the representatives of different branches of the society, who support the idea of turning Argonath into a democratical dictatorship state with political movements, parties, and a parliament who is chosen by the people of Argonath. The vision of a political system in Argonath is not a dream. It's achievable, as stated by the current President Gandalf. We might be able to turn this suggestion into a reality if we come up with the system that works and if we come up with how everything would work under the democratical system. At the moment, we think that the most suitable political system would be Democratic Dictatorship/Parliamentary Monarchy, which means that President Gandalf and Prime Minister Aragorn would still maintain their statuses as the leaders of the state, however, they would be accompanied by the Parliament of Argonath, which would be elected by the people of the states of San Andreas, Liberty City, Vice City.

Dear Mr Payne,

In respect to various proposals of forming a government, we have always been open to a democratic system. However before initiating the formation of such a system we have also every time requested to give a full scale proposal of the actual functioning, powers and responsibilities of the various bodies to be formed.

As for any democratic system that goes beyond the in-game influence we are open as soon as every active player will contribute real life taxes so that, like every other government, we can draw money instead of inserting.

I await your proposal.

Aim of this provisional parliament is to come up with the system and propose it to the heads of the states. This parliament will start discussing the forms of Democracy that could be used and how to enforce it. At the same time it will start various campaigns to solve the problems that are currently troubling Argonath.

Hierarchy of the Parliament:

Parliament Head:*
Alfred_Monroe

Parliament Members:
[WS]Teddy
Chase
Mr.Goobii
Janek
Jack_Bauer
Mobius
DHR.Marcel

*The Head of the Parlament status in no way means, that the holder of it has the authority over the parliament. The person holding this status simply sums up everything that is being discussed in the parliament and provides it to the general public and for the heads of the state to see. He can be taken as the representative of the parliament.

To join the movement, simply fulfill this short form below. Every potential member will be reviewed by the current parliament members first. You will be contacted back if needed. All the people who have applied on the previous topic of the ADM, please let me know in the PM and i'll send your applications for the parliament to consider.

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In game name and roleplay name:
Political views?:
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?:

All the parliament members that are in the list - you are there because you have supported and expressed a will to join the movement on the previous topic. If you no longer wish to be part of this, make sure to let me know.

Few rules the members of the parliament have to follow. These rules can be a subject to change if parliament members are not satisfied by them:

*Criminal organisation representatives are allowed to join at the stage of the provisional parliament, because every single player of Argonath has the right to have their say and help to prepare the possible government system that they will have to follow. However, they will no longer be able to get into the parliament if their criminal activities wont cease when/if the Parliament will be passed as a lawful head of the state.
*The members of the Parliament shall respect the constitution and the rules of Argonath RPG
*The members of the Parliament shall have access to Argonath RPG TeamSpeak and SA:MP RPG servers (All the in game meetings will be held in SAMP for now..)

Support us! Useful links:

The original proposal:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=90092.0

The Supreme Court proposal:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=91124.0

Note: If any topic designer out there would help out to make this topic better, it would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Taylor_P on August 21, 2013, 09:32:19 pm
    In game name and roleplay name: Taylor_Fox

    Political views?: Liberal when it comes to social issues but mostly Conservative when it comes to economics.

   Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?:   I believe that the current system, is flad does not seek to better the state of Argonath, as it stand it seems that the current system has very little chanage and like to keep the status quo. I feel that in the 3 years of being a citizen of Argonath that this very linear state of very slow progression is only detrimental to the future of Argonath as a state.

I feel that there may not be a way to change the overall leadership but I feel that a Congress/Parliament would be a great way for the people of Argonath to express there views as the most political things I see from the people here are complaints about law enforcement and about the Argonath Road Administration.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 21, 2013, 09:46:27 pm
    In game name and roleplay name: Taylor_Fox

    Political views?: Liberal when it comes to social issues but mostly Conservative when it comes to economics.

   Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I believe that the current system, is flad does not seek to better the state of Argonath, as it stand it seems that the current system has very little chanage and like to keep the status quo. I feel that in the 3 years of being a citizen of Argonath that this very linear state of very slow progression is only detrimental to the future of Argonath as a state.

I feel that there may not be a way to change the overall leadership but I feel that a Congress/Parliament would be a great way for the people of Argonath to express there views as the most political things I see from the people here are complaints about law enforcement and about the Argonath Road Administration.

Hello, Taylor. Your application is noted and will be discussed ASAP.

Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Aksel on August 21, 2013, 10:30:36 pm
In game name and roleplay name: [WS]Joaquin Vasquez / Joseph Prilo

Political views?: Democratic socialist.

Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: The current political system in Argonath is very undemocratic and performs a one-way-leadership which I find negative. I believe a grassroot movement is needed in order to imply semi-democracy within the state. The political system is aswell as undemocratic, very unstable in form of amount of citizens and immigrantion from other states.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Sweeper on August 21, 2013, 10:59:23 pm
I'm leaving the Movement.

Regards,
Sweeper
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Mr. Goobii on August 21, 2013, 11:06:05 pm
Gladly stay and contribute with the democratic movement. I'll stay tuned for more updates regarding the movement.

Regards,
Al Svensson (Mr. Goobii)
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Marcel on August 21, 2013, 11:21:40 pm
Funny how you selectively put members of the ADM in this. Good luck, i guess?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Tai on August 22, 2013, 01:00:19 am
Appeal! Why is this in San Andreas only, and where are the representations of the other states?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Dennis. on August 22, 2013, 01:02:47 am
Good Luck!
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 22, 2013, 09:12:10 am
Appeal! Why is this in San Andreas only, and where are the representations of the other states?

I wanted to create this topic in Argonath RPG Groups and Families, but I accidently made it here.. Representatives from any Argonath RPG server can apply, however, they must have TS and SA:MP (For IG roleplays and meetings). Once the system has been made, the parliament will become in affect in all states of Argonath.

Funny how you selectively put members of the ADM in this. Good luck, i guess?

I have removed those who have shown no longer to be interested in the movement.



Thank you for your dedicated time and good luck!

In game name and roleplay name: [WS]Joaquin Vasquez / Joseph Prilo

Political views?: Democratic socialist.

Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: The current political system in Argonath is very undemocratic and performs a one-way-leadership which I find negative. I believe a grassroot movement is needed in order to imply semi-democracy within the state. The political system is aswell as undemocratic, very unstable in form of amount of citizens and immigrantion from other states.

Will be under review.

Gladly stay and contribute with the democratic movement. I'll stay tuned for more updates regarding the movement.

Regards,
Al Svensson (Mr. Goobii)


Noted.

Good Luck!

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: BarelyVisible on August 26, 2013, 08:17:03 pm
At the moment, we think that the most suitable political system would be Democratic Dictatorship/Parliamentary Monarchy, which means that President Gandalf and Prime Minister Aragorn would still maintain their statuses as the leaders of the state, however, they would be accompanied by the Parliament of Argonath, which would be elected by the people of the states of San Andreas, Liberty City, Vice City.

Pardon me if I appear to be obsessing over semantics.

"Democratic Dictatorship"
    
A form of government where elected candidates seldom if ever work proactively to represent the concerns of the constituency? This sounds suspiciously like covert Totalitarianism. Could you please explain what procedures would come into effect in the event that an elected candidate was found to be actively working against the interests of the citizens of the state in which he/she held an office.

Furthermore can you please give details as to how the parliament would establish a candidate's involvement in a criminal organisation if the group funding their campaign where to deny such an allegation.

I'd to make clear that my posing these questions is in no way intended to promote opposition to political reform.




Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on August 27, 2013, 01:47:34 am


*Stands with funny hat on*

*Strong Posh Chelsea Accent* Senor Speaker, The idea of parliament in Argonath RPG is not a good one.
Speaker, there just isn't a need do you feel it wise to waste time and effort on something which is done every other five minutes?

Debates, solutions, (the discussion of) laws and what not are carried out often on a scale which where in there is much more clarity and better provision for discussions, and votes. Le Forum. Et voila. Ce vu plait en Anglais?

Mr Speaker, the aim of this parliament is on the verge of senseless. What sort of parliament actively attempts to campaign? that is not the purpose of a Parliament.

Mr Speaker, me thinks you should stand down  and an actual elected Speaker should stand.

Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: PulseEffect on August 27, 2013, 03:09:44 am
In game name and roleplay name: [WS]PulseEffect & Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Political views?: Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I am excited and wish to be part of the new democrative system and take particapte in it.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 03:46:55 am
In game name and roleplay name:Adam., Adam_John_Killington
Political views?: Ultra Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I think that the Political system here is in a mess. In a sense i think that it should be a Dictatorship but Every Citizen in Argonath had the right to express their views and i wish i can be apart of it
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 27, 2013, 10:37:47 am
Pardon me if I appear to be obsessing over semantics.

"Democratic Dictatorship"
    
A form of government where elected candidates seldom if ever work proactively to represent the concerns of the constituency? This sounds suspiciously like covert Totalitarianism. Could you please explain what procedures would come into effect in the event that an elected candidate was found to be actively working against the interests of the citizens of the state in which he/she held an office.

Furthermore can you please give details as to how the parliament would establish a candidate's involvement in a criminal organisation if the group funding their campaign where to deny such an allegation.

I'd to make clear that my posing these questions is in no way intended to promote opposition to political reform.

We feel that turning Argonath into full democracy is too early without trying a lesser system first. It means that Gandalf and Aragorn still will be the head of the states, however, the parliament will be elected and will second the heads of the state.

In game name and roleplay name: [WS]PulseEffect & Alex "Pulse" Treblin
Political views?: Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I am excited and wish to be part of the new democrative system and take particapte in it.

Noted

In game name and roleplay name:Adam., Adam_John_Killington
Political views?: Ultra Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I think that the Political system here is in a mess. In a sense i think that it should be a Dictatorship but Every Citizen in Argonath had the right to express their views and i wish i can be apart of it

Noted

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'd like to invite parliament members to a private meeting on this friday (30th of August). It will take place in Los Santos City Hall. WE wil discuss the new applications and will start forming the system that would work.

The time is 17 CET.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: BarelyVisible on August 27, 2013, 02:28:18 pm
We feel that turning Argonath into full democracy is too early without trying a lesser system first. It means that Gandalf and Aragorn still will be the head of the states, however, the parliament will be elected and will second the heads of the state.

I know this but you still haven't answered my questions -

**Could you please explain what procedures would come into effect in the event that an elected candidate was found to be actively working against the interests of the citizens of the state in which he/she held an office.**

**Furthermore can you please give details as to how the parliament would establish a candidate's involvement in a criminal organisation if the group funding their campaign where to deny such an allegation.**

If you want constituents to buy into your political ideology you must make clear party regulations and by what means you will enforce them.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 27, 2013, 05:55:41 pm
I know this but you still haven't answered my questions -

**Could you please explain what procedures would come into effect in the event that an elected candidate was found to be actively working against the interests of the citizens of the state in which he/she held an office.**

**Furthermore can you please give details as to how the parliament would establish a candidate's involvement in a criminal organisation if the group funding their campaign where to deny such an allegation.**

If you want constituents to buy into your political ideology you must make clear party regulations and by what means you will enforce them.

Your question cannot be answered right now. Please double check the main topic - the point of this parliament is to come up with a political and election system that works and which is based on democracy. Once we will come up with the points mentioned above, we will let the general public know and will try to achieve that it would be legalized.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: AlSforza on August 27, 2013, 11:49:05 pm
In game name and roleplay name: [WS]AlSforza, Right Reverend Alfredo Sforza
Political views?: Extremely similar to  a franciscan point of view (in terms of the Catholic Church). Could be seen as a communist (Marx/Engels, not Lenine/Staline) point of view. Everyone is the same, everybody works to be one.
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: For many, many years, Argonath has craved for some kind of law that complements the force that is given by the actual government (Police Force). It's crucial to establish a tight government that is aware of the situation, so all of Argonath's citizens feel secure and tempted to stay in our beautiful land. Yes, my political point of view passes hardly through a basis of "helping the one in need" and "being one", but I've got to face reality here. Rules are crucial at this point. Years ago, Argonath was a place of joy and of help. Where everyone felt accepted, and where everyone helped thy neighbour. It has become dark place with the passage of time, and it's time to clear the sins of this land and restore an ambience that was, at given point, the true pride of the Argonathians.

In nomine Patrii, et Filii, et Spiritu Sancti.

From the Office of the Right Reverend Alfredo Sforza, in Blackfield Chapel.
May the Lord bless you all,

Signed,
Alfredo Sforza
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 28, 2013, 04:57:24 pm
In game name and roleplay name: [WS]AlSforza, Right Reverend Alfredo Sforza
Political views?: Extremely similar to  a franciscan point of view (in terms of the Catholic Church). Could be seen as a communist (Marx/Engels, not Lenine/Staline) point of view. Everyone is the same, everybody works to be one.
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: For many, many years, Argonath has craved for some kind of law that complements the force that is given by the actual government (Police Force). It's crucial to establish a tight government that is aware of the situation, so all of Argonath's citizens feel secure and tempted to stay in our beautiful land. Yes, my political point of view passes hardly through a basis of "helping the one in need" and "being one", but I've got to face reality here. Rules are crucial at this point. Years ago, Argonath was a place of joy and of help. Where everyone felt accepted, and where everyone helped thy neighbour. It has become dark place with the passage of time, and it's time to clear the sins of this land and restore an ambience that was, at given point, the true pride of the Argonathians.

In nomine Patrii, et Filii, et Spiritu Sancti.

From the Office of the Right Reverend Alfredo Sforza, in Blackfield Chapel.
May the Lord bless you all,

Signed,
Alfredo Sforza


Noted
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 30, 2013, 11:00:17 am
I'd like to remind everyone that we have a session today at 17 CET
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: albertlau128 on August 30, 2013, 11:37:23 am
In game name and roleplay name: [ADF]Ronald_Eternal, Albert Lau
Political views?: Market Communist
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: Everything is good.. But I will suggest that to have our own Army Force, Navy Force and Air Force instead of not any organisation that will block foreign attacks and serious criminals, also they would be assisting SAPD/ARPD/FBI or SWAT to kidnapping situations and serious terrorist threats.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 30, 2013, 12:43:37 pm
In game name and roleplay name: [ADF]Ronald_Eternal, Albert Lau
Political views?: Market Communist
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: Everything is good.. But I will suggest that to have our own Army Force, Navy Force and Air Force instead of not any organisation that will block foreign attacks and serious criminals, also they would be assisting SAPD/ARPD/FBI or SWAT to kidnapping situations and serious terrorist threats.

Noted
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Marcel on August 30, 2013, 03:55:23 pm
Cannot make 17 CET. Will not be available until 19 CET.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 30, 2013, 06:52:01 pm
Cannot make 17 CET. Will not be available until 19 CET.

It appears that no-one has came..

Everyone in the members list has 48 hours to indicate his/her interest. If atleast half of the parliament members will no longer be interested or inactive, the applicants will be accepted without a session.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Teddy on August 30, 2013, 09:01:32 pm
It appears that no-one has came..

Everyone in the members list has 48 hours to indicate his/her interest. If atleast half of the parliament members will no longer be interested or inactive, the applicants will be accepted without a session.

I'm not available this week, last week of the current block of classes. Should be available again this upcoming Monday.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on August 30, 2013, 10:50:37 pm
I'm not available this week, last week of the current block of classes. Should be available again this upcoming Monday.

I'm aware that you're interested, but you're a busy person, there is no concern regarding you.
Also, Marcel was excused as well.

I'm concerned about others, are they still interested?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: momo23232323 on September 01, 2013, 04:26:29 pm
I am still interested
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 01, 2013, 04:57:59 pm
Mobius, Chase and Janek have been removed due to no interest in the Parliaments activities.

All applicants have been accepted into the parliament due to the statement above. A new meeting will be planned soon. Please let me know in my PM what date is most suitable for you.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 pm
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United States of Argonath
Provisional Parliament

Dear members of the Provisional Parliament,

I'd like to call for a meeting for tommorow (Tuesday, 3rd of September) at the Los Santos City Hall.
The meeting will be closed, no non-parliament members shall attend to the meeting.

In this meeting, the Parliament members will get to know each other, will introduce themselves and will start working on a work basis that we will create.
It will be an official beginning of our work towards the democratical prosperity of the United States of Argonath.

The meeting time is 14:00 CET. It was considered due to the few PM's I have recieved. If this time does not satisfy you, please let me know.

I, Alfred_Monroe might be late to the meeting due to school, but I should be back the time it begins, and at the worst case I should be late by 5-10 minutes.

Let's finally start doing it instead of just plucking our tongues!

Signed

Head Member of the Parliament

Alfred "Al" Monroe.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Marcel on September 02, 2013, 10:28:39 pm
I will be attending.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: AlSforza on September 02, 2013, 11:26:35 pm
Should I, or should I not be attending?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2013, 01:44:12 pm
Should I, or should I not be attending?

All applicants have been accepted, so yes.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2013, 04:53:16 pm
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The Provisional Parliament
of the United States of Argonath

MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT.

A meeting will take place on Tuesday at the same time - 14 CET.
The meeting's topics:

*The Provisional Parliament: Should the Provisional Parliament become an invite only organisation? Should we invite state heads and infulential people/community representatives into the Provisional Parliament? Should we become selective of our members?
*Should the leaders of the state have influence on the elections to the Parliament? Should they be the ones who will appoint the Parliament heads, or should it be the citizens?
*Who will be able to vote in the elections (Extended discussion)

EXTRA:
*Vice City Multiplayer Community's situation - What should we do about it? The community has been ignored for the past five months and they are not able to get their server work property. Let's rise awareness.

The form of the meeting is : PUBLIC
it will take part either in LV Courthouse or in one of the city halls, yet to be announced.

VC:MP community is especially invited to take part in the discussion.



OTHER NEWS:

The first Parliament meeting has been conducted. Results of it will be summed up and available for public soon.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: KhornateMonkey on September 03, 2013, 06:32:28 pm
*The Provisional Parliament: Should the Provisional Parliament become an invite only organisation? Should we invite state heads and infulential people/community representatives into the Provisional Parliament? Should we become selective of our members?

A democratic parliament suggesting that it should select its members?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2013, 06:36:56 pm
A democratic parliament suggesting that it should select its members?

Please read the topic before accusing us of stuff...

This is not enforced, this is a question that will be bringed up upon the next meeting, because the discussion has led into this.
And yet, even if we select our members, there wouldn't be anything wrong about it, because we're not the actual functioning parliament which has the right to govern and so on. Let me repeat myself for the 100th time - people who are now in the Parliament will loose their status after/if the political system will satisfy Gandalf and it will become effective, these members will have to create a party and will have to compete for their status just like everyone else. The current Parliament is making the political system and trying to find more efficient ways of how it would work.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: KhornateMonkey on September 03, 2013, 07:20:38 pm
Please read the topic before accusing us of stuff...

I wasn't accusing you, I was simply asking a question as a member of the public questioning what could be the future Argonath government.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2013, 10:02:23 pm
I wasn't accusing you, I was simply asking a question as a member of the public questioning what could be the future Argonath government.

Feel free to attend to our open meeting on next tuesday and see what we do by yourself and part-take in our discussions ;)
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: SkyHawk on September 05, 2013, 08:30:36 am
In game name and roleplay name: SkyHawk / Joe Hawk
Political views?: Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: The active system set in place may have worked when this great nation of Argonath was founded, however as time increases and expansion continues, change is needed when an old system begins to fail and pre-existing safe guards are heavily outdated creating numerous loop holes in the way the system functions and operates on a daily basis. I am all for a unified Democratic Republic where the people of Argonath have the ability to express their own personal views on the runnings of the government through public sanctions, and unbiased public elections.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 05, 2013, 02:32:01 pm
In game name and roleplay name: SkyHawk / Joe Hawk
Political views?: Conservative
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: The active system set in place may have worked when this great nation of Argonath was founded, however as time increases and expansion continues, change is needed when an old system begins to fail and pre-existing safe guards are heavily outdated creating numerous loop holes in the way the system functions and operates on a daily basis. I am all for a unified Democratic Republic where the people of Argonath have the ability to express their own personal views on the runnings of the government through public sanctions, and unbiased public elections.

Accepted, please let us know if you can attend to the scheduled meeting on tuesday.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: SkyHawk on September 06, 2013, 07:12:56 am
Accepted, please let us know if you can attend to the scheduled meeting on tuesday.

I'll most certainly try my best to do so, this coincides with my schooling I do believe, so if we could maybe hold meetings on Saturday or Sunday that would certainly help, likewise I will try to do my best! For the record, when adding me to the member list I changed my name ingame to Joe Hawk for better standards of roleplay.

Thanks,
Joe
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: momo23232323 on September 06, 2013, 07:58:40 pm
I'll most certainly try my best to do so, this coincides with my schooling I do believe, so if we could maybe hold meetings on Saturday or Sunday that would certainly help,

weekdays will be very difficult if not possible to attend.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 06, 2013, 08:32:57 pm
I'll most certainly try my best to do so, this coincides with my schooling I do believe, so if we could maybe hold meetings on Saturday or Sunday that would certainly help, likewise I will try to do my best! For the record, when adding me to the member list I changed my name ingame to Joe Hawk for better standards of roleplay.

Thanks,
Joe

The problem is that the majority is not available at weekends :/
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: SkyHawk on September 06, 2013, 08:45:35 pm
weekdays will be very difficult if not possible to attend.

Hence why I was recommending holding meetings on the weekends, not during the actual week.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: momo23232323 on September 07, 2013, 08:12:30 pm
i Think people may have misunderstood me. I cant make it on weekdays 9-17 GMT due to college but i will be available from 18-23 GMT.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: SkyHawk on September 08, 2013, 03:40:18 am
The problem with me, is do to schooling all of you guys go off of late afternoon meetings in Europe and living in America I have class around the same time you hold meetings, and then I have college athletics there after. The weekends is the only days off I have to work with.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 08, 2013, 09:30:04 am
We'll see what we can do then, the meeting is postponed for now

I also would like all the members that were present in the first meeting testify in this topic : http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=30939.new#new

We shall not let the person who sabotaged our meeting and treated us like criminals get away with such unproffesional attitude..
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: BarelyVisible on September 09, 2013, 07:30:29 am
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*The Provisional Parliament: Should the Provisional Parliament become an invite only organisation?
*Who will be able to vote in the elections (Extended discussion)

For a so called Democratic organisation these shouldn't even be talking points.

Is this a  fully fledged Democratic movement or a Single Party State movement? All I see is contradictions.

On a side note, best wishes in pursing legal action against the officer who disrupted the meeting. That sort of law enforcement corruption should not be tolerated.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: SkyHawk on September 09, 2013, 08:19:52 am
Just want to add in my opinion,

The Provisional Parliament, should NOT be invite only. It should be available to the public through application system, denying ones right to invitation only to join a party limits the rights of the majority which is the opposite of the democracy movement we are pushing for.

Regards,
Joe Hawk
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 09, 2013, 02:55:12 pm
Just want to add in my opinion,

The Provisional Parliament, should NOT be invite only. It should be available to the public through application system, denying ones right to invitation only to join a party limits the rights of the majority which is the opposite of the democracy movement we are pushing for.

Regards,
Joe Hawk

We shall discuss this in the next meeting.

For a so called Democratic organisation these shouldn't even be talking points.

Is this a  fully fledged Democratic movement or a Single Party State movement? All I see is contradictions.

On a side note, best wishes in pursing legal action against the officer who disrupted the meeting. That sort of law enforcement corruption should not be tolerated.


These were the questions that were being discussed at the time when the police officer interrupted us, and i cannot just rule out saying "NO, this wont happen", now can I? That wouldnt be democratic either.. And after all, this is just a provisional parliament for now, not the real thing.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: BarelyVisible on September 09, 2013, 09:59:33 pm
We shall discuss this in the next meeting.

These were the questions that were being discussed at the time when the police officer interrupted us, and i cannot just rule out saying "NO, this wont happen", now can I? That wouldnt be democratic either.. And after all, this is just a provisional parliament for now, not the real thing.

Alright then, I'll make an effort to be present at the next meeting.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Taylor_P on September 10, 2013, 08:46:47 am
Well I've had work when theses meetings took place when is the next one I'd like to attend the next meeting.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: albertlau128 on September 11, 2013, 02:16:00 pm
Noone showed up at yesterday's meeting?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on September 11, 2013, 03:21:17 pm
We'll see what we can do then, the meeting is postponed for now

Noone showed up at yesterday's meeting?

Pay attention
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on October 07, 2013, 05:08:52 pm
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The Provisional Parliament
of the United States of Argonath

MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT.

A meeting will take place on Wednesday - 17 CET.
The meeting's topics:

*The Provisional Parliament: Should the Provisional Parliament become an invite only organisation? Should we invite state heads and infulential people/community representatives into the Provisional Parliament? Should we become selective of our members?
*Should the leaders of the state have influence on the elections to the Parliament? Should they be the ones who will appoint the Parliament heads, or should it be the citizens?
*Who will be able to vote in the elections (Extended discussion)

EXTRA:
*Vice City Multiplayer Community's situation - What should we do about it? The community has been ignored for the past five months and they are not able to get their server work property. Let's rise awareness.
*Current ARFD situation - shall we bargain for script support?

The form of the meeting is : PUBLIC
It will part take in LS City Hall.

VC:MP and ARFD community is especially invited to take part in the discussion.


Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: [WS]Jacob on October 23, 2013, 10:48:50 pm
Is this still alive?
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on October 25, 2013, 06:52:25 pm
Is this still alive?

I am alive, but im having trouble getting the parliament together.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on November 08, 2013, 04:31:12 pm
I'm not sure if I should even continue this as it appears that some sort of different system which completely conflicts with our vision has been enforced...
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Jamal_Garen on December 29, 2013, 11:33:20 am
    In game name and roleplay name: Jamal_Garen
    Political views?: Democratic aristocracy. I believe that 90% of people do not know the meaning of this term. I believe that that there should be a parlament, a goverment consisted of aristocrates which by law wouldnt be able to have ANY personal property. Everything they want, the state will provide to them for free, but they will have no personal things, no money, no properties no businesses. Therefore the corruption in the goverment will be 0%. This is the best way to run a community!
   
Your opinion about current Argonath Political system?: I believe that it is dull, it stands in one place, does nothing, just is there and brings no change to anything in the United States of argonath. That thing has to change ASAP.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Huntsman on April 21, 2014, 04:32:45 pm
I might continue this if anyone is willing to help me.
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Marcel on April 21, 2014, 07:40:46 pm
Still willing!
Title: Re: The Provisional Parliament of United States of Argonath
Post by: Archie on April 21, 2014, 07:58:50 pm
Ok, supporting you. Willing.
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