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Title: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: taseen11 on August 24, 2013, 11:01:52 pm
Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing Video Game

The boy grabbed a gun and shot his 90-year-old grandmother in the head while she watched TV, after playing the video game.


An eight-year-old boy intentionally gunned down his grandmother minutes after playing the violent video game Grand Theft Auto IV, US authorities said.

The town of Slaughter, Louisiana, is in shock after the child was able to access the family's gun and shoot the 90-year-old in the head while she was watching television.

The woman, who was helping to look after the boy, was pronounced dead at the scene at the Country Breeze Mobile Home Park.

Sheriff's deputies have not revealed a motive but they pointed out the child was playing the video game before the fatal shooting.

The game, which is rated "M" for mature audiences and is recommended for ages 17 and older, has been associated with encouraging violence and awards points to players for killing people.

The child told investigators that he accidentally shot the woman while playing with a firearm, WAFB-TV reported.

But evidence has led investigators to believe the child intentionally shot her in the back of the head as she watched TV, it added.

Neighbour Johnnie Scott told Fox8live.com: "Where did she have the gun?

"Where did he see the gun, was it in his eyesight? That's the thought that goes through my head."

Child psychologist Kristopher Kaliebe said access to a violent video game such as Grand Theft Auto IV may encourage aggressive behaviour.

He said: "From a behaviour therapy perspective, I would say that's practicing.

"So if you have a video game where someone shoots at a target, that's sort of practicing shooting at a target.

"When you have a video game that is shooting at a human being, that is practicing shooting at a human being."

The child is being looked after by his parents. The authorities are treating the shooting as a "homicide".

The boy cannot be charged with a crime because of his age, the sheriff's office said.

Louisiana law states: "Those who have not reached the age of 10 years are exempt from criminal responsibility."



Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1132826/boy-8-kills-gran-after-playing-video-game
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: ~Legend~ on August 24, 2013, 11:20:28 pm
Multiple issues brought up here: should 8 years old be playing this game; should the game even feature such "violent content"; why did this boy have access to a firearm?

It is a very sad happening for the family.

It is also a pity that this kind of explicit controversy always surrounds games like GTA. Casts a shadow over the... well... "game factor". In this case, an innocent child did something that he probably cannot come to terms with. But, there have been more serious incidents with young adults/teenagers doing certain things apparently due to them being spurred on by what GTA lets you do.

It's like mature movies, videos, music and all other things in the media. Regulators can do so much to keep them out of the wrong hands, but no one can check who the buyer's really going to give the game to. Is it the publishers fault? There are far worse things than GTA that can be found on the Internet and it is the buyer who actively chooses to purchase the game, accept its conditions, and pass it on if they really feel it is suitable.

Overhanging all of this should be the fact that a little boy picked up and fired a gun, just as easily as he took up his game controller and pressed a few buttons. The US right to firearms seems to once again be pivotal. A certified game CD on its own is not harmful, but a gun on its own has potential to be.

Something that I also found interesting was this part of the news report "the child was able to access the family's gun". The family's gun. Almost like how in the UK we talk about the "family's cat" or the "family's car".
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: clancker on August 24, 2013, 11:31:25 pm
This is very shock that this happens how ever the game should not be reachble for 8 years old at all but it's not all the game's fold they should hide the firearm more good so the child would not find it
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: AK47 on August 24, 2013, 11:31:38 pm
One word, America.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 24, 2013, 11:32:40 pm
This is what happens when you got a gun in your house.
Bless 'Merica.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Bundy on August 24, 2013, 11:52:05 pm
This is why GTA 4 sucks.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: taseen11 on August 24, 2013, 11:52:49 pm
I played GTA when I was 8 :[
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: AK47 on August 24, 2013, 11:53:16 pm
This is why GTA 4 sucks.

Hahahahah
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 24, 2013, 11:58:08 pm
And yet again, guns arnt the problem in the USA.

Yes, it was sarcasm.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: TheRock on August 25, 2013, 12:03:35 am
I played GTA when I was 8 :[

Born 95', Father had an PS1 since I was actually 2-3 years old.. Started at age of 5, playing GTA 2 on PS1 hahahaha. Later, next year I was invited to my 'then' best friend to play an awesome game as he was saying.. on PS2 it was in fact GTA 3, but by that age.. I had no clue of how to read or spell it.. Once my parents bought me PS2 back then, Uppon buying PS2 I saw the getaway cover and thought it was GTA 3 lol. Turned out it wasn't though it was a great serries, however.. it didn't take long before I was advised I could chip my PS2 in order to play *grabbed* games.. I remember spending aaa lot of time on GTA 3 when I first bought it back then... endless hours of playing infront of an old Sony 15' forced me to wear glasses, as I had Presbyopia of 5.0 back then.. :3... the next years, I still remember the feelings of the FIRST time I ever played Vice City, San Andreas (Including Liberty City Stories/VC Stories) and IV... I hope I can have that feeling again once I play GTA V for the first time too :)..

It's not like any shop will deny the sale of a game, when we have crysis everyone is looking after money and not protecting children from playing games not meant for their age... But a true fact is; All of us, tend to grow fast... As much as I loved to play GTA, a very violent game from the age of 5.. whilst I knew it wasn't meant for my age... eventually we all used to watch porn before the age of 18 too :lol: :lol: :lol:

On topic;
It's very sad to see that an 8-year old boy had access to firearms..
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 25, 2013, 12:09:14 am
The media is very quick to conclude that the video games are the problem, however I have been playing games which can be considered violent for years. But have I shot someone in the head as I've done on GTA, no. If the video games were the problem we would have murders happening everywhere, the real problem is access to weapons.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 25, 2013, 12:15:28 am
The media is very quick to conclude that the video games are the problem, however I have been playing games which can be considered violent for years. But have I shot someone in the head as I've done on GTA, no. If the video games were the problem we would have murders happening everywhere, the real problem is access to weapons.
Of course it's possible that the kid had some mental issues, I mean, not comprehending that killing your grandma is bad is pretty mental.. But still, he shouldn't have had any access to weaponry.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: brian1996 on August 25, 2013, 02:08:45 am
It's their own damn fault for buying the game for him in the first place, aswell is it their fault for not hiding their gun properly. Would have never happend if they didn't buy 17/18+ games for a 8 year old boy. They have to deal with it now.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dolfagr on August 25, 2013, 02:30:23 am
Really awful parenting. Mostly for letting a loaded gun within the range of a child and buying a game which is unsuitable for a 8 year old to understand. Incidents like these make me wonder what this generation has turned into.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Alfredo_DeLuca on August 25, 2013, 02:34:42 am
Once one child jumped from the window because he thought he was pikachu. He was watching Pokemon. After that Pokemon banned in Turkey. Who knows, maybe same thing can be for this kinda games.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Lionel Valdes on August 25, 2013, 03:31:03 am
Rest in peace. Very sad. I can imagine the scenario.. So disturbing. I hope the kid learns from this mistake and become a good part of the society in future.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: nikos on August 25, 2013, 03:40:17 am
That's why I got a bad computer so I can't play all this new cool violent games and go on a killing spree...
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: PulseEffect on August 25, 2013, 03:45:02 am
Rest in peace. Very sad. I can imagine the scenario.. So disturbing. I hope the kid learns from this mistake and become a good part of the society in future.

My thoughts as well.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: brian1996 on August 25, 2013, 12:06:04 pm
That's why I got a bad computer so I can't play all this new cool violent games and go on a killing spree...
Lol that has nothing to do with it. It's about your mind knowing it's a game and not the real thing. Obviously 8 year old boys are still in their learning period and learn from their envoirement wich in this case was GTA4.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ehks on August 25, 2013, 12:24:24 pm
GTA IV is 18+... Blame whoever got this child the game.
It's a shame to hear about this.. May she R.I.P.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Jubin on August 25, 2013, 12:37:09 pm
Well 90% of the songs in the world are about love, yet apparently that doesn't affect people at all.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Gandalf on August 25, 2013, 01:31:48 pm
Several things in this story that are extremely questionable.
First of all the town name 'Slaughter'.
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Traser on August 25, 2013, 06:53:23 pm
Several things in this story that are extremely questionable.
First of all the town name 'Slaughter'.
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.

And why did the boy play GTA IV (If he was doing that, unsure now) If it's rated above his age?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 25, 2013, 09:23:09 pm
And why did the boy play GTA IV (If he was doing that, unsure now) If it's rated above his age?
And why was the gun so easy to access?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Alsatian on August 25, 2013, 09:36:23 pm
And why would he just intentionally shoot his grandmother in the back if the head!?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Squeak on August 25, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
Inbred ass lil motherfucker
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: TiMoN on August 25, 2013, 09:53:20 pm
You don't just blame Rockstar, a gun should be hidden in a safe, not in your fridge.

Plus, GTA IV is more blurring and the gun mechanics are horrible, you can barely notice yourself shooting a Colt45.

I played GTA when I was 8 :[
I did when I was five, beat that.

Also,
This is why GTA 4 sucks.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Gandalf on August 25, 2013, 10:16:23 pm
And why would he just intentionally shoot his grandmother in the back if the head!?
To see if someone would pay him enough for an iPhone?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Malik. on August 25, 2013, 10:27:01 pm
We should just deal with these shocking things  untill USA stop with the guns.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Lionel Valdes on August 25, 2013, 10:27:38 pm
Several things in this story that are extremely questionable.
First of all the town name 'Slaughter'.
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.

lol
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: taseen11 on August 25, 2013, 10:32:42 pm
Several things in this story that are extremely questionable.
First of all the town name 'Slaughter'.
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.


An eight-year-old boy intentionally gunned down his grandmother minutes after playing the violent video game Grand Theft Auto IV, US authorities said.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Rapper on August 25, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Guys, it will be added with little Piracy sorry about it.
GTA IV is not that easy to be installed.
Who will buy to 8th year boy, GTA IV, IV not SA, IV..
Its a grandmother 90 years old, she don't know anything. All is a lie, there is no video game, just the kid is psycho..
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Jellyfish on August 25, 2013, 10:41:29 pm
Lol that has nothing to do with it. It's about your mind knowing it's a game and not the real thing. Obviously 8 year old boys are still in their learning period and learn from their envoirement wich in this case was GTA4.

I agree.

If I was 8, my parents would flip out giving me access to a firearm since I could shoot someone accidentally while pointing it as a 'game'.

Although, the thing that comes to mind is that, despite my very scarce knowledge of firearms, you actually need to press the trigger with force, which would be quite a feat for an 8 year old who was just 'playing around'. He did mean to press that trigger.

Of course, it would be this:

Several things in this story that are extremely questionable.
First of all the town name 'Slaughter'.
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.

Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 25, 2013, 11:00:14 pm
giving me access to a firearm
In the US, you don't have to be GIVEN access to a fire arm, you simply go buy one at a gun 'boot sale' like the guys on BBC's Panorama did, or you just go into your parents room and take it off the shelf as if it's a pair of socks.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Sweeper on August 25, 2013, 11:07:18 pm
like the guys on BBC's Panorama did

Television.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Omar Aly on August 25, 2013, 11:29:52 pm
And how did the boy mange to hold the heavy piece straight and aim for a headshot perfectly from his first try?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 25, 2013, 11:42:09 pm
Television.
It's no joke, they went to a gun sale and bought a semi automatic rifle with ammunition, without even having to show some ID..
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Sweeper on August 25, 2013, 11:45:32 pm
It's no joke, they went to a gun sale and bought a semi automatic rifle with ammunition, without even having to show some ID..

Half of everything on television is put in scene.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 25, 2013, 11:50:44 pm
Half of everything on television is put in scene.
Holy fucking shit, MAYBE THE TELETUBIES ARE PROPAGANDA TOO!

NO, FOR FUCK SAKE. Panorama 'snuck' into N.Korea and recorded everything the N.Korean govt didn't want them to see, I'm sure that was propaganda too! No, because we all know N.Korea is a shithole, just as we all know guns are as easy to get in the US as a can of coke from the corner shop.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Sweeper on August 25, 2013, 11:54:11 pm
Holy f**king shit, MAYBE THE TELETUBIES ARE PROPAGANDA TOO!

NO, FOR f**k SAKE. Panorama 'snuck' into N.Korea and recorded everything the N.Korean govt didn't want them to see, I'm sure that was propaganda too! No, because we all know N.Korea is a shithole, just as we all know guns are as easy to get in the US as a can of coke from the corner shop.

You're scaring me.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Khakaure on August 26, 2013, 12:11:11 am
Holy f**king shit, MAYBE THE TELETUBIES ARE PROPAGANDA TOO!

NO, FOR f**k SAKE. Panorama 'snuck' into N.Korea and recorded everything the N.Korean govt didn't want them to see, I'm sure that was propaganda too! No, because we all know N.Korea is a shithole, just as we all know guns are as easy to get in the US as a can of coke from the corner shop.

Oh, you're the guy who thinks that automatic rifles are easy to buy in the U.S.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 26, 2013, 01:08:38 am
Oh, you're the guy who thinks that automatic rifles are easy to buy in the U.S.
Maybe not to buy, but to get, thats another story.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Khakaure on August 26, 2013, 01:32:22 am
Maybe not to buy, but to get, thats another story.

And even there you are wrong, cuz it ain't really easy to get either.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: JackWhite on August 26, 2013, 02:55:04 pm
Guys, it will be added with little Piracy sorry about it.
GTA IV is not that easy to be installed.
Who will buy to 8th year boy, GTA IV, IV not SA, IV..
Its a grandmother 90 years old, she don't know anything. All is a lie, there is no video game, just the kid is psycho..
Of course there is a videogame, lol. I guess his grandmother isnt the only one taking care off him.


merica'
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 26, 2013, 03:15:18 pm
And even there you are wrong, cuz it ain't really easy to get either.
Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't a fully automatic used in one of this years US mass shootings?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Huntsman on August 26, 2013, 09:34:50 pm
Ok, an 8 year old was playing GTA and had access to a firearm, yet a shitstorm will not come towards GTA V and GTA series in particular, saying how it is encouraging criminal behaviour and so on. I wonder what is the problem, GTA or the parenting.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 26, 2013, 09:51:31 pm
Ok, an 8 year old was playing GTA and had access to a firearm, yet a shitstorm will not come towards GTA V and GTA series in particular, saying how it is encouraging criminal behaviour and so on. I wonder what is the problem, GTA or the parenting.
Both, and the gun.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: StanTheMan on August 26, 2013, 10:00:10 pm
The fact that the gun was easily accessible to the child is the real problem here. The fact that he was playing GTA is totally irrelevant. I've been playing GTA ever since I was 7 and I don't really recall murdering anyone.   
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: AK47 on August 26, 2013, 10:00:46 pm
Americas gunlaws and the parents. :-)
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 26, 2013, 10:08:17 pm
He probably expected her to respawn in the kitchen. :X
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: AK47 on August 26, 2013, 10:09:08 pm
He probably expected her to respawn in the kitchen. :X

WIN
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: EliteTerm on August 26, 2013, 10:57:21 pm
It is the gun owner's responsibility for keeping guns secured. They failed, and they will have to suffer the consequences.

This is the parents' fault, alone. Guns is not a factor here, same can be applied if the kid were playing with matches.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Mikal on August 26, 2013, 11:22:13 pm
Guns is not a factor here
Typical American.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 26, 2013, 11:41:44 pm
Guns is not a factor here, same can be applied if the kid were playing with matches.
I'm laughing at your attempt to defend a horrible system.
Guns are indeed a problem. If there were no guns there would be no dead grandma.
I was just waiting for a foolish patriot to say that it's just bad hiding and that guns are great.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 26, 2013, 11:44:36 pm
I'm laughing at your attempt to defend a horrible system.
Guns are indeed a problem. If there were no guns there would be no dead grandma.
I was just waiting for a foolish patriot to say that it's just bad hiding and that guns are great.
So I mean.. what do you do if you get viciously attacked out on the street?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 26, 2013, 11:47:21 pm
So I mean.. what do you do if you get viciously attacked out on the street?
I don't do anything because I don't live in America.
The retarded system caused good and bad to have possession over guns. Good people carry them to protect themselves from the bad people, and incidents like these occur. Bad people carry them to achieve their goals, because they legally can.

Back to your question, I wouldn't get viciously attacked. Where I live people barely have knives and weaponry is extremely hard to come by. If someone does get hold of a weapon he won't use it to rob a random dude.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 26, 2013, 11:49:46 pm
Yeah so, basically what you're saying is if you live in a country where the criminals are armed with clubs, knives, and potentially guns - it would be wise to have a gun for yourself?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 26, 2013, 11:52:30 pm
Yeah so, basically what you're saying is if you live in a country where the criminals are armed with clubs, knives, and potentially guns - it would be wise to have a gun for yourself?
No.
Maybe this sounds far fetched but when a man gets upset, angry or whatever, he can use the weapon for bad things easily, like murder.
And obviously if it isn't hidden in a safe that only the owner has access to, incidents like mentioned in the OP can occur. This is not the first incident.
But people wouldn't even have to defend themselves if guns weren't legal.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 26, 2013, 11:56:48 pm
What would you recommend to an American, who is at constant danger from street gangs and deranged people?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on August 26, 2013, 11:59:34 pm
What would you recommend to an American, who is at constant danger from street gangs and deranged people?
I see 2 options.
1. Move outside of the ghetto. I'm sure that not everywhere in the whole USA there is danger lurking on the streets as if it is GTA.
2. If for some reason you don't want to / can not move, and you feel threatened, get a gun and absolutely restrict access from anyone but yourself.

Obviously option 2 isn't ideal because as I said, sadness or anger can cause one to go insane and go on killing sprees.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 27, 2013, 12:17:33 am
Everywhere in America can potentially be a bad place. Most likely am I going to be a victim in a smaller town, probably not but you never know.

I do own guns, as do many people I know and I would never shoot another person(unless my life or someone else's depended on it.) My guns are locked up of course, because I, like most gun owners, are very responsible. Teaching proper firearm safety is key in gun ownership. Stories like these are very sad, but rare amongst the gun culture. Whether you want to believe it or not, most gun owners are VERY responsible with guns. You only hear news stories about the very few bad gun owners, and that makes us all look bad.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Squeak on August 27, 2013, 09:44:18 am
Pakinamacindabacofdaac

this kid can join Araatus
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Nathan on August 27, 2013, 06:52:09 pm
Sheltered kids + idiotic parents = this situation.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 07:05:44 pm
I believe his Grandma had the gun but his parents did not. What this caused is the kid never actually learned the downside to guns so when he first seen it because of possibly GTA IV he seen they were cool and picked it up and tried to play with it and he says it accidentally went off which could be debatable. But odds are if his parents had a gun he would have already been taught about the importance of being safe with a gun.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:14:22 pm
Next if you read the report carefully there is no mention of the boy playing GTA IV by the sherrif. The report mentions 'playing a violent computer game that was M rated'.  The writer of the article is the one who puts forward the name of GTA IV.
With GTA:V on the verge of being released, it is clear the writer wants to start either an awareness or banning campaign. This leaves very large question marks on the validity of the article.

I agree, Stories like this could be used to Ruin the reputation of GTA V by the Mass media and can prove to be very damaging as most people believe what mass media tells them through Opinion Leaders.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Bundy on August 27, 2013, 07:17:10 pm
@Pepper

You can't protect yourself from a gun with a gun. If he pulls the trigger, you're too late already. (Unless you're Lucky Luke)
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:19:06 pm
@Pepper

You can't protect yourself from a gun with a gun. If he pulls the trigger, you're too late already. (Unless you're Lucky Luke)

And that brings us to the issue of: Should guns be banned?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 07:22:07 pm
This entire thing could have been prevented with a trigger lock or a gun safe so no I don't think guns should be banned. The ironic reality is if the kids parents had guns he would have understood how dangerous they were he probably would have never picked the gun up.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 27, 2013, 07:25:26 pm
This entire thing could have been prevented with a trigger lock or a gun safe so no I don't think guns should be banned.
Should you even give an 8 year a gun with a trigger lock on it anyway, no. This is Australia only 5.7% of the adult population own and use firearms.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:26:06 pm
This entire thing could have been prevented with a trigger lock or a gun safe so no I don't think guns should be banned. The ironic reality is if the kids parents had guns he would have understood how dangerous they were he probably would have never picked the gun up.
Firstly, if guns were banned, none of this would have happened. Secondly, Why would you teach a kid about guns?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 07:30:44 pm
Jacob what are you on about Australia for this was US! And momo you can not ban guns in the US it would be what causes a civil war in itself you wont see it happening. The kid had a perception that guns were cool and fun apparently. If he actually knew about guns do you really think he would have done this?
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 27, 2013, 07:34:20 pm
@Pepper

You can't protect yourself from a gun with a gun. If he pulls the trigger, you're too late already. (Unless you're Lucky Luke)
But the thing is, 99% of criminals are incredibly shitty shots, most don't even know how to use a firearm. Where as, I've practiced with guns for years. I would still have a significantly better chance then someone who didn't have a firearm.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 27, 2013, 07:35:43 pm
I don't know what I was on about, seems the poster changed the article to a more "trusted" source, it's Sky News. Even still my point stands that your child shouldn't have access to weapons no matter what age. This is another case of bad parenting gone extremely bad and in a way it was the grandmothers fault for letting an 8 year old play a PEGI 18 game. You've got to have some responsibility for a child.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:38:00 pm
Jacob what are you on about Australia for this was US! And momo you can not ban guns in the US it would be what causes a civil war in itself you wont see it happening. The kid had a perception that guns were cool and fun apparently. If he actually knew about guns do you really think he would have done this?

If the kid knew about guns, His age would firstly mean that he is not allowed to use it. But the Curiosity of trying a gun will get to him like 16 year old kids for example in the UK who want to try alcohol but cannot buy it. The curiosity and the will to act like an adult will make them try it. Not sure if this is a clear example
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 07:47:12 pm
If the kid knew about guns, His age would firstly mean that he is not allowed to use it. But the Curiosity of trying a gun will get to him like 16 year old kids for example in the UK who want to try alcohol but cannot buy it. The curiosity and the will to act like an adult will make them try it. Not sure if this is a clear example

The gun should have been kept in a safer place obviously. The thing is if the kid understood the gun could kill he sure as hell wouldn't have aimed it at the back of his grandmas head, maybe he would have picked it up and shot a wall or something, but not what he had done.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:53:19 pm
The gun should have been kept in a safer place obviously. The thing is if the kid understood the gun could kill he sure as hell wouldn't have aimed it at the back of his grandmas head, maybe he would have picked it up and shot a wall or something, but not what he had done.

There is no point of carrying something lethal in the house. For example look at the gun crime in the Uk and compare in to America. Since guns are banned in the Uk, Gun crime in the Uk is significantly lower than the US in proportion to population size
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Bundy on August 27, 2013, 07:57:52 pm
But the thing is, 99% of criminals are incredibly shitty shots, most don't even know how to use a firearm. Where as, I've practiced with guns for years. I would still have a significantly better chance then someone who didn't have a firearm.
Haha sorry bro, but that's simply far-fetched.. This isn't Call of Duty, man..
If somebody points a gun at your face I doubt you'd unholster yours quickly..
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 07:59:00 pm
Haha sorry bro, but that's simply far-fetched.. This isn't Call of Duty, man..
If somebody points a gun at your face I doubt you'd unholster yours quickly..

If guns were banned, This situation would not even exist
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 27, 2013, 08:11:05 pm
If guns were banned, This situation would not even exist
If you are talking about the US/UK system, even here you cannot be totally safe from a gun being pointed at your face. Even in a place where guns are illegal it is not a 100% assurance that someone will not hold a gun at your head if they really want to.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 08:11:43 pm
Yes 100% right if we banned guns the guns everywhere magically turn into dust, logic. Banning guns in the US will not work I don't know a single person who will hand over their gun to any government official. It will not work I don't know how I can make this easier to comprehend but IT WILL NOT WORK it will cause more problems than it's even worth. For example Chicago that gun ban worked well right?

(http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png)

not....
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 27, 2013, 08:15:01 pm
Then you need to look at the UK. Our gun control measures have worked. Guaranteed it's taken years and years but murders from firearms are very rare, thankfully.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: momo23232323 on August 27, 2013, 08:16:16 pm
If you are talking about the US/UK system, even here you cannot be totally safe from a gun being pointed at your face. Even in a place where guns are illegal it is not a 100% assurance that someone will not hold a gun at your head if they really want to.

There are non-lethal ways to stop someone shooting like calling 999. or Using new emerging technologies such as Using microwaves to disorientate the attacker and make him drop his weapon and walk out like it never happened. But its unethical
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: Dillon on August 27, 2013, 08:21:19 pm
Then you need to look at the UK. Our gun control measures have worked. Guaranteed it's taken years and years but murders from firearms are very rare, thankfully.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/28/will-banning-guns-stop-homicides-stats-from-england-and-australia-show/

Just to clear up some statistics here.
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 27, 2013, 08:27:59 pm
There are non-lethal ways to stop someone shooting like calling 999.
If someone has a gun pointed at your head you aren't going to say "Excuse me a moment, can you just lower that weapon a second while I phone the police?".
Title: Re: Boy, 8, Kills Gran After Playing GTA IV
Post by: [SE]Dr_Pepper27 on August 27, 2013, 08:44:21 pm
Haha sorry bro, but that's simply far-fetched.. This isn't Call of Duty, man..
If somebody points a gun at your face I doubt you'd unholster yours quickly..
If someone is in close quarters, I wouldn't draw my weapon however I would attempt to disarm them or at least keep them occupied while I draw mine. If they're at a good distance (8+ meters) I'd draw and shoot without speaking.


@ the above conversation, the police CANNOT help you. Believe me, they're the report takers and the body cleaner uppers. You can't dial the phone with a gun in your face and you most definitely can't carry a cop on your hip.
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