Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:VC => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP General => Topic started by: Klaus on September 02, 2013, 11:30:58 pm
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Just wanna voice my opinion here.
I've been playing on Argo for years, and not ever have I witnessed a sumer as shit as the one that just passed. I don't even know who is to blame, if its me, the owners, the f**king pakistani retards who ddos servers for their own pathetic amusement, but I don't give a flying f**k. I'm just irritated at how shit its been lately.
I think the last time the server was at a playable state was back in May and maybe the first week of June. So thats almost 3 months that no one has been able to play. We had new scripters in who were trying their best to rebuild the server from its f**ked up state and then it only just got worst, WE CANT EVEN PLAY ANYMORE.
I see SAMP server running fine and shit and I'm like, do the owners even give a shit that VCMP HAS BEEN OFFLINE FOR 2 MONTHS+ ?????
Neglected maybe? you decide.
I just think that we need to make our voices heard a little more because from what I see the problems that exist here are being ignored.
f**k other servers, its our time.
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f**k other servers, its our time.
This. VCMP has been ignored for too long now and we, the players are getting sick of it.
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There is nothing more for me to add.
All I can say is that VCMP didn't get ANY attention whatsoever even though we needed a solution for all those ddos attacks.
When do we get what we deserve?
We are also Argonath RPG, we deserve our right to play on our server.
So do something already.
We've waited long enough.
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I'd like to see it up and running.
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I feel your pain guys :-(
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I wish you guys good luck in bringing up VC:MP again and i understand how frustrating this can me. This summer hasn't been a walk in the park for SA:MP either.
For everyone that is playing SA:MP, i dont want to see any kind if 'SA:MP is better than VC:MP' posts and if i see any after this post, i will personally delete them. Argonath is one community, no matter the age of the game.
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Though if you are so fed up with it why dont you get your osm host like stunt it speeds everything up and you dont have to wait for the staff team...
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Though if you are so fed up with it why dont you get your osm host like stunt it speeds everything up and you dont have to wait for the staff team...
Why should Argonath server have a host outside of Argonath?
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Why should Argonath server have a host outside of Argonath?
Because it Seems like you are fed up by the way argonath handles it all... Having your own host probably solves it.
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Good luck to the VC folks trying to get their server back, I'd be pretty upset if SA:MP was down for 2+ months as well.
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Because it Seems like you are fed up by the way argonath handles it all... Having your own host probably solves it.
It could solve it possibly, yes, but the question stands; why should an Argonath server have a host outside of Argonath. Things should go smoothly between owners-developers, but I'm afraid it isn't that smooth.
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Dennis, i dont want to see you post here again.
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I like the way you put it Klaus, I'd support this if I didn't lose my VC disc about 3 years ago.. :P
Along with 12 GTA SA discs and 1 IV disc, I think theres a disc thief in my house.
Honestly though as VC:MP is the first server Argonath had(?) shouldn't it have some kind of priority over others no matter how popular it is?
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It could solve it possibly, yes, but the question stands; why should an Argonath server have a host outside of Argonath. Things should go smoothly between owners-developers, but I'm afraid it isn't that smooth.
I get your point very well and i feel your Sadness but it could solve it temporary untill the owners Will fix it.
+ as it doesn't have a huge player base a host wont even cost that much(dont get me wrong here in terms of the playerbase)
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I like the way you put it Klaus, I'd support this if I didn't lose my VC disc about 3 years ago.. :P
Along with 12 GTA SA discs and 1 IV disc, I think theres a disc thief in my house.
Honestly though as VC:MP is the first server Argonath had(?) shouldn't it have some kind of priority over others no matter how popular it is?
MTA:VC was the first one.
I get your point very well and i feel your Sadness but it could solve it temporary untill the owners Will fix it.
That's the problem, the owners are completely ignoring it for the past 5 months.
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I get your point very well and i feel your Sadness but it could solve it temporary untill the owners Will fix it.
+ as it doesn't have a huge player base a host wont even cost that much(dont get me wrong here in terms of the playerbase)
Hosting Argonath server outside of Argonath without permission is illegal as far as I know.
And since we didn't receive a permission to host a server for the duration of the fixing and was told that the server is up, we decided to forget the idea of hosting one of our own. Few hours of server being up, we realised a fatal script failure due to outdated scripts and thus the server is yet again unplayable.
Developers of VCMP have no possibility of fixing the scripts due to lack of access to upload the newest version of script, which was already tested as stable.
@Mikal
Argonath started in MTA:VC. VC:MP was third? Argonath server. Server's should not be prioritised for it's age nor popularity since we're all still under the Argonath RPG name, but VC:MP has been severely neglected for the past months.
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Hosting Argonath server outside of Argonath without permission is illegal as far as I know.
And since we didn't receive a permission to host a server for the duration of the fixing and was told that the server is up, we decided to forget the idea of hosting one of our own. Few hours of server being up, we realised a fatal script failure due to outdated scripts and thus the server is yet again unplayable.
Developers of VCMP have no possibility of fixing the scripts due to lack of access to upload the newest version of script, which was already tested as stable.
@Mikal
Argonath started in MTA:VC. VC:MP was third? Argonath server. Server's should not be prioritised for it's age nor popularity since we're all still under the Argonath RPG name, but VC:MP has been severely neglected for the past months.
Maybeyou should approachthe staff about it somehow?
Stunt managed to pull it off also
Offtopic:
How is the fd rp on vc? Tried it a couple of times but the community doesn't seem to want to rp as fd nor rp as victim of a car crash or stick inside a smoke filled building(again dont get me wrong here)
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Maybeyou should approachthe staff about it somehow?
Stunt managed to pull it off also
Offtopic:
How is the fd rp on vc? Tried it a couple of times but the community doesn't seem to want to rp as fd nor rp as victim of a car crash or stick inside a smoke filled building(again dont get me wrong here)
I approached Gandalf when the search for a new host started that there was a possibility for us to host a temporary server until he finds a suitable one. Received no answer until he found the new host. After that it's been quiet again :(
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Maybeyou should approachthe staff about it somehow?
Stunt managed to pull it off also
Offtopic:
How is the fd rp on vc? Tried it a couple of times but the community doesn't seem to want to rp as fd nor rp as victim of a car crash or stick inside a smoke filled building(again dont get me wrong here)
Fd ain't that big, ideas are being thought of to make it bigger and better.
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Maybeyou should approachthe staff about it somehow?
Stunt managed to pull it off also
Offtopic:
How is the fd rp on vc? Tried it a couple of times but the community doesn't seem to want to rp as fd nor rp as victim of a car crash or stick inside a smoke filled building(again dont get me wrong here)
They have already, but owners havn't replied to messages.
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Fd ain't that big, ideas are being thought of to make it bigger and better.
There was an script atleast tested in some point where fire department could react to a car in flames. Don't know for sure what happened with it tho' or if it'll be scripted again.
As for fire department roleplay, it's kind of dodgy in VCMP since the playerbase is rather small (10-20 requlars on a good day) so creating a FD roleplay situation is harder than expected/imagined due to lack of players for "roles" :P
Dennis; Please do stop posting in the topic. You are not contributing to the original subject in any way.
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I approached Gandalf when the search for a new host started that there was a possibility for us to host a temporary server until he finds a suitable one. Received no answer until he found the new host. After that it's been quiet again :(
Well so he gave permission since he is still not able to make it work...
However i hear numerous of times on samp that people are talking to him via msn alot?
Is he ignoring you there or what is the deal?
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Well so he gave permission since he is still not able to make it work...
However i hear numerous of times on samp that people are talking to him via msn alot?
Is he ignoring you there or what is the deal?
I've sent him message through MSN, Skype and forum PM, but it'd be more likely to see a T-Rex walking in my backyard than receive an answer :(
And stop the off-topic posts.
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Well so he gave permission since he is still not able to make it work...
However i hear numerous of times on samp that people are talking to him via msn alot?
Is he ignoring you there or what is the deal?
Klaus has sent him several times a message through skype and PM, so did Kessu.
The result was complete ignorance, no answer for weeks or even months.
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Klaus has sent him several times a message through skype and PM, so did Kessu.
The result was complete ignorance, no answer for weeks or even months.
Well i know a couple of people who talk to him om a regular base i can see if they might be able to get a reply?
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Well i know a couple of people who talk to him om a regular base i can see if they might be able to get a reply?
I would be surprised if he would finally reply to that.
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Well i know a couple of people who talk to him om a regular base i can see if they might be able to get a reply?
What would be the use? We need sensitive information that can only be given to the developers of Argonath's VCMP server. We have not been given that information even after numerous questions / outright begging and thus this topic was created.
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I would be surprised if he would finally reply to that.
Always worth a shot i'd gues.
By the way he is really active on the forums this topic can't go unnoticed for him...What would be the use? We need sensitive information that can only be given to the developers of Argonath's VCMP server. We have not been given that information even after numerous questions / outright begging and thus this topic was created.
Just trying to help here...
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Just trying to help here...
Didn't mean to sound like I'm not appreciating you trying to help, infact I do appreciate it :)
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I approached Gandalf when the search for a new host started that there was a possibility for us to host a temporary server until he finds a suitable one. Received no answer until he found the new host. After that it's been quiet again :(
You're allowed to host a temporary server till the main one is back up online or until Gandalf himself says you cannot anymore. I am sure there's a valid reason for all of this trouble.
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Didn't mean to sound like I'm not appreciating you trying to help, infact I do appreciate it :)
Hmm yeah but about that sensitive information... If this way you could atleast get a conversation going i bet this Will come along very fast.
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No, I'm not, fool. It's a ten year old game with no significant player base that would make it financially viable for Argonath. Dead weight.
Implying Argonath's goal is to make money. Which it isn't. The server is as important part of Argonath as is any other server.
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I don't know how to clear this up should I use "fucking" or what ???
But , as I can see , you need your VCMP server back , I think this is the right thing to do , but , you have to ask nicely so someone can help you , anyways , Good luck with this , I hope it works!
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I don't know how to clear this up should I use "f**king" or what ???
But , as I can see , you need your VCMP server back , I think this is the right thing to do , but , you have to ask nicely so someone can help you , anyways , Good luck with this , I hope it works!
We asked nicely several times and we got ignored.
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I don't know how to clear this up should I use "f**king" or what ???
But , as I can see , you need your VCMP server back , I think this is the right thing to do , but , you have to ask nicely so someone can help you , anyways , Good luck with this , I hope it works!
We asked nicely for 5 months. Result is server being online but not accessible since it freezes players before spawnscreen due to script failure.
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True, but it just costs Argonath more money to host a dead server that no one wants to script for.
We have 3 scripters that work their ass off for the server.
Squeak my care level is 0 about your opinion since you don't know shit and are practically talking out of your arse. Quit being a complete muppet and jog on.
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Squeak, if you had any idea of what you are talking about, you would know that what you just said is complete bs.
Do not post here again to provoke VC:MP.
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This whole topic should be sorted out in private boards. Everyone is sad because VC:MP is out, but what's the point start a revolution? Saying fuck and fuckin 17 times per page wont make anything go faster.
No, I'm not, fool. It's a ten year old game with no significant player base that would make it financially viable for Argonath. Dead weight.
GTA:SA was released in 2004 so that's not valid is it?
We should all just pipe down and discuss this as regular teenagers. No need to start a warfare in form of words.
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This whole topic should be sorted out in private boards. Everyone is sad because VC:MP is out, but what's the point start a revolution? Saying f**k and f**kin 17 times per page wont make anything go faster.
GTA:SA was released in 2004 so that's not valid is it?
We should all just pipe down and discuss this as regular teenagers. No need to start a warfare in form of words.
You cannot know what happens in the private boards and I cannot share it, but I will say this we tried.
This is our last resort to try to get the attention turned to VCMP so we can finally go back to playing.
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are you flipping blind ? The whole f**king point is to get point heard .. if posting a shit load is the way to get some attention, well ..
People can be heard without saying fuck 24/7. People can be heard without being offensive, or aggressive towards others.
You cannot know what happens in the private boards and I cannot share it, but I will say this we tried.
This is our last resort to try to get the attention turned to VCMP so we can finally go back to playing.
I understand you, but read above. I wish the best of luck to this journey but let's try to make it more civilized.
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People can be heard without saying f**k 24/7. People can be heard without being offensive, or aggressive towards others.
I understand you, but read above. I wish the best of luck to this journey but let's try to make it more civilized.
We tried civilizied topic. We tried civilizied PMs. The situation called for straightout voicing the opinions of VCMP Administration and requlars to try to get the attention of the owner(s) that we want the server back and we want it now. It's been _5 months_ that we've battled this. 5 months without the server you love to play on.
Enough is enough.
Just wanna voice my opinion here, feel free to reply with whatever the f**k you want
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We tried civilizied topic. We tried civilizied PMs. The situation called for straightout voicing the opinions of VCMP Administration and requlars to try to get the attention of the owner(s) that we want the server back and we want it now. It's been _5 months_ that we've battled this. 5 months without the server you love to play on.
Enough is enough.
I couldn't put it better myself ..
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the f**king pakistani retards who ddos servers for their own pathetic amusement
Are you sure only Pakistani ddos the server?
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We get it - bad summer. Topic locked to clean out and punish.
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After some spring cleaning, I have cleaned out the posts which warranted the forum bans, warns and other punishments (mostly by administrators and old players).
We understand your frustration - we are all experiencing the same issues here. As you keep saying, we are one community.
There's been problems with SA:MP and all the other servers whose managers didn't move the server host until the problem was resolved. Indeed, now there are still access problems. We've all tried to contact Gandalf and those needed, and we're all waiting for a reply. So once again, it's not just you who's experiencing the problems.
TeamSpeak, Radio, Stunt and Flight Simulator have all moved to external hosts. You may ask "Why should we host the server if this is Argonath?". Those asking that question do not have the first idea about the community. We are a community and we do what we do because of a love of the community, even to the point of paying for a server. To be able to serve the vast number of players we do together every second, minute and hour of the day is something that is worth it.
While it's frustrating that your server is temporarily unavailable, resorting to the behaviour in this topic is not acceptable. I don't care if you were "provoked" or not. The simple way is to report and ignore. The worst fact about the whole thing is the number of staff members punished. Frustration is not a 'get out of jail free card' to do whatever you like without punishment. Continued behaviour will see temp-bans made permanent and warnings escalated.
Air your opinions, but know that flaming and other similar behaviour will not be tolerated.
Unlocked.
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Klaus, i'd love to see the VC:MP server back online. Drop me a PM and we can talk about moving VC:MP to the external host i run where Stunt is also hosted.
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f**k other servers, its our time.
As a community leader I am disgusted at this one comment alone.
This may of got you attention but its the wrong type of attention. You need help, not inflaming all the other servers against you..
All of Argonath has been suffering over the last few months from DDOS, not just VC:MP, SA:MP maybe appear to be running but its far from right, access is still NOT possible for scripters to fix anything..
In time Gandalf will get things sorted but its his choice and his alone as to what gets fixed when, angering him will not help.
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If you are offended by that mere comment then sorry about that but you need to fucking man up.
This topic doesn't even concern other servers, this is posted in vcmp section for a reason, and personally I couldn't give a shit about other servers anyway, so why I would I waste my time flaming them. I'm just aware that people have been able to play on SAMP over the summer and thats why I mentioned it, since they've obviously been a lot fucking better off than we have been the last months.
Maybe I was a bit too direct in my statement but it echos how I feel about the shitty situation and that was the point of this topic and not flaming other servers or angering the owners.
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So has the things changed? I mean can you now host Argonath server without the need of a permission if the server's offline for way too long, or is it still considered 'illegal'?
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Kessu, try contacting a community leader, they may be able to help you out.
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Kessu, try contacting a community leader, they may be able to help you out.
Brian, it has to be higher than a CL.
And Klaus...
As a manager you should have far more respect for the others servers.
And I am not the one that brought in the other servers, that's how you started this off ..
So if it has nothing to do with other servers then WHY did you even bring them into this.
I suspect but cannot be certain but the SAMP server may have got priority due to the fact it has much higher number of active players ..
I will see what I can do for.
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If you are offended by that mere comment then sorry about that but you need to f**king man up.
This topic doesn't even concern other servers, this is posted in vcmp section for a reason, and personally I couldn't give a shit about other servers anyway, so why I would I waste my time flaming them. I'm just aware that people have been able to play on SAMP over the summer and thats why I mentioned it, since they've obviously been a lot f**king better off than we have been the last months.
Maybe I was a bit too direct in my statement but it echos how I feel about the shitty situation and that was the point of this topic and not flaming other servers or angering the owners.
Klaus, can you please lower your attitude, and relax a bit?, you're flaming pakistan, Flaming other servers, i understand you very good klaus, but relax and don't let the anger take control man..
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As a manager you should have far more respect for the others servers.
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Most of the people aren't home in summer most of the time anyway :P
And yeah I feel what you mean.
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Well, I'd like to have a say.
Klaus, please do not become offended, but it's the truth how it is. I personally got scared away from VCMP and I know a lot of other people who also were because of your policies towards people who used to rival you in any ways, challenged you and so on, also because of the radical policies towards SAMP players of the VCMP community. I feel discriminated and hated by the EAF members and anyone associated with them, as any time I get in the server I receive various slanders, insults, and get insulted in direct or indirect way and even provoked. And the worst thing is that you, as a manager, side with people who do that, and usually support such actions or even go together with them. The funny thing is that when I was a criminal and was in a group that was allied with yours, you never insulted me and you would always support me, however, when I was no longer part of it and founded my own group, you started hating on me and usually even confuse administrational matters with the personal and roleplay ones.
Simply put it feels like EAF and other of yours friends are free to provoke, insult and attack in many other ways members who are in the way of their interests, and it looks like you're supporting it. There have been quite a lot of chats regarding VCMP in SAMP , and a lot of players addressed that you are the reason why they dont or no longer play VCMP, they're scared of you and your clan.
This is not an insult or an attack against you, this is a letter of concern that I hope you will pay attention to and will change certain policies of your admin work that might finally attract more people of the Argonath community into VCMP server.
Also, as the member of the Provisional Parliament of Argonath, i'll try to rise awareness of the Argonath leadership and everyone associated of it about the situation of VCMP and that it has been inaccesable for god knows how long, because after all, this is the server that I started playing Argonath on and despite many disputes, spent a lot of nice time in.
Regards
Hitman
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Well, I'd like to have a say.
Klaus, please do not become offended, but it's the truth how it is. I personally got scared away from VCMP and I know a lot of other people who also were because of your policies towards people who used to rival you in any ways, challenged you and so on, also because of the radical policies towards SAMP players of the VCMP community. I feel discriminated and hated by the EAF members and anyone associated with them, as any time I get in the server I receive various slanders, insults, and get insulted in direct or indirect way and even provoked. And the worst thing is that you, as a manager, side with people who do that, and usually support such actions or even go together with them. The funny thing is that when I was a criminal and was in a group that was allied with yours, you never insulted me and you would always support me, however, when I was no longer part of it and founded my own group, you started hating on me and usually even confuse administrational matters with the personal and roleplay ones.
Simply put it feels like EAF and other of yours friends are free to provoke, insult and attack in many other ways members who are in the way of their interests, and it looks like you're supporting it. There have been quite a lot of chats regarding VCMP in SAMP , and a lot of players addressed that you are the reason why they dont or no longer play VCMP, they're scared of you and your clan.
This is not an insult or an attack against you, this is a letter of concern that I hope you will pay attention to and will change certain policies of your admin work that might finally attract more people of the Argonath community into VCMP server.
Also, as the member of the Provisional Parliament of Argonath, i'll try to rise awareness of the Argonath leadership and everyone associated of it about the situation of VCMP and that it has been inaccesable for god knows how long, because after all, this is the server that I started playing Argonath on and despite many disputes, spent a lot of nice time in.
Regards
Hitman
Im sorry, who are you ?
I am pretty sure, the other community cannot begin to understand how stressful and boring it have become, not being able to play in a server that your began to love. How summer is generally when Argonath server numbers peak, when people have the whole day off to play. I don't think other server members can fully have a say in this matter because yall have been playing all the other servers. Relax ? we could relax when VCMP server is back up and running
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Im sorry, who are you ?
That just prooves my point even further.
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That just prooves my point even further.
Proves that he doesn't know you.
I wonder who approved your rant, that seems more of a report to me than a opinion post. If you feel Klaus or any VCMP Administration/ it's players have abused you, feel free to report it to the email ([email protected]).
Forums aren't the place.
@First post of Rytuklis
All I see that post doing is provoking yet another blowout, which isn't needed. If someone could please remove the post before anything happens it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
To the mod approving that post; I have no idea what you're up to. Approving a post that clearly would only provoke a further blowout is just... nah, not gonna go there.
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That just prooves my point even further.
would of been nice if you gave us your ingame name
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The amount of hate showed towards fellow community servers and players is just non sense. You're all acting immature for the positions you hold.
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The amount of hate showed towards fellow community servers and players is just non sense. You're all acting immature for the positions you hold.
If you were in their position you would probably feel like they do.
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If you were in their position you would probably feel like they do.
Nothing justifies their attitude towards others.
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Nothing justifies their attitude towards others.
Like seriously, stop posting. I guess because you're new you wont have a patriotic feeling towards Argonath
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Enough is Enough the max i have EVER seen SA-MP down is 1-2 months but VC:MP is getting 0% attention at all and this has gone too far either bring back VC:MP Or Declare it closed forever. this is all i have to say
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But still, behind 'what you defined as' Flaming, is the core: Why everything is centered on SA:MP, IV:MP?
Yes, they are new, but why is the VC:MP server neglected? because it is old, not many players? i don't think so,
I joined the server a couple of times, in my beginning in argonath, and i liked the server, but never joined as i started playing SA:MP again, crashing PC, etc blabla.
Still we return to the core, Klaus, you noticed that this summer, the server did not peaked, nor worked perfect, Do not judge me for my reply, i am not directing any hate or anger onto any member of the community, and also not in this post.
Try having a convo with Gandalf, over what you can do with the server? Getting it online, having a 2nd server with backup up scripts from the 1st server etc.
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Enough is Enough the max i have EVER seen SA-MP down is 1-2 months but VC:MP is getting 0% attention at all and this has gone too far either bring back VC:MP Or Declare it closed forever. this is all i have to say
IMO, the community members and the HQ should finally sit behind a round table and sort things out, not only regarding the downtime, but also the things I have wrote before should be bringed to attention.
Hostilities on other communities and the HQ wont help in this situation, the only way to solve this is cooperation and mutual understanding.
I'll try to help you as much as I can and as much as my position in this community allows me to, we should rise the awareness of the current VCMP situation, being ignored for five months is unbearable, but instead of making a rant insulting pretty much everyone , you should have made something that wouldn't contain as much hostilities as this post, would get you a lot more sympathy from other communities.
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Still we return to the core, Klaus, you noticed that this summer, the server did not peaked, nor worked perfect, Do not judge me for my reply, i am not directing any hate or anger onto any member of the community, and also not in this post.
The server did not peak because it has been offline since May.
Try having a convo with Gandalf, over what you can do with the server? Getting it online, having a 2nd server with backup up scripts from the 1st server etc.
We have tried _everything_ to get in contact with Gandalf. I asked him if it's ok to host the server on another location until the main host is fixed, but I was told it was not needed, that the server was online and working. So I went to play in there, after couple of hours, the server had a fatal script failure, which was reported to both gandalf and scripters, but scripters told they do not have any ability to access the current server to fix it. Gandalf did not respond.
Which is when I tried to contact Gandalf about FTP access to the server so we could atleast upload the newest scripts to get it working properly with stable scripts, and I was asked who to send the information to. I of course told to the manager of VCMP which is Klaus. Nothing happened.
Two weeks of sending PMs after, still nothing happened and no answer was received in either private admin section, forum PM, skype nor MSN discussion.
We have done our utmost to get the server back alive, but received nothing in return.
That is why this topic was created. That is why we have heated feelings. That is why we feel that we have been ignored. That is why multiple members of VCMP server are banned from the forums, why multiple administration got warned for our words to defend what we love.
EDIT: That above text has been going on since May, since then I have received a response twice.
That's all there is to this topic, and whether this post gets approved or not, I have nothing more to say.
Locked until further notice. -Traser