Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: RafaDK on September 08, 2013, 02:32:10 pm
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Hello, I'm sure everyone knows me as the criminal Rafael Stracci, and the old SRU member Eric Wolfe.
I've been away from the server for a long period, and now that I'm back I've noticed some changes that consumes my f**king soul. I'm currently playing as a criminal, back into Stracci, and what I've come across is all the major leaders of the official groups went inactive, I tried to figure out what's going wrong and apparently the difference between both the major factions (Police as in SAPD and Criminals as all the groups) is the answer.
I remember when being part of SRU, that all SAPD higher members that were not part part of SRU used to whine about SRU using buffalos and combats, everyone used to say that SRU was a DM team for that, when we simply would go after criminals that were wanted for murders or major crimes; yet, now, I see SAPD high ranks patrolling in Bullets / NRGs, using M4 drive-by against vehicles that are clearly slower than theirs, and regardless the fact if you whether do or don't have a DB'er with you. They will just DB the living shit out of your vehicle, other things I've came across is that regardless if you have a major or a minor crime you will receive the same exact treatment, which is, getting chased by 4 cruisers since they're in TS, M4 drive-by and of course, combat on your ass, regardless the fact if you're a criminal for killing someone, or for some random bullshit as speeding.
Reviewing everything this is what we come to:
Criminals have:
- Lack of communication since we're split in different groups and factions, while SWAT/FBI/SAPD share a whole channel for communication where they can organize themselves in a perfect way, basically I support a place where we could exchange information with other criminals, if you're suspect you get to communicate in a whole new chat.
- We can run in high speed vehicles.
- We use combats.
- We're not allowed to return after dying.
Cops:
- Full chat for self-organization;
- Use heavy weaponry regardless if you're inside SAPD or you're a freecop, and regardless if you're chasing a minor/major criminal, everyone gets their ass combat'ed by SAPD officers +;
- They also use vehicles as fast as criminals;
- In major situations, like in yesterday where there was a barricaded situation where SWAT was equipping freecops with armour and god knows what other weapons;
- Cops get to return if they die, even if these days they use the same weapons as us, the same type of vehicles, and they are way more numbered than criminals.
All the major players from the criminals side Antonio, Daniel, Cofiliano, Romeo, Violet, NitrOx, Flash, either quit or reduced their gaming time drastically due all the advantages that cops have.
What I'm trying to ask here is, if can we get some equal rights between criminals and cops. I know RS5 is coming out soon, but it's not coming this week nor the next one. So criminals keep getting literally DM'd by the current SAPD members with the following excuse - 'If you use combats we also can', 'if you use buffalos we also can use fast vehicles as bullet', 'if you're significantly better driver than us, we can drive-by because it's like your vehicle is faster than ours, even tho it isn't.'
Just not to mention that the whole SRU team and some criminals ended up banned for cbug and nowadays the majority of the cops do it and it feels like the a-team either fails to see it, or closes their eyes.
Even for the new players this is insane, a new player joins, they tend to attack due the lack of knowledge about the rules, they get suspected, and they usually manage to evade in the car, how will this end? Five cruisers rolling up to them, drive-by the living shit out of him, and when he tries to bunny-hop way he will end up getting sprayed by a combat? - I seriously appeal to the good sense of the community leaders to remain neutral and check what's wrong in the cop side instead of just looking at the criminals.
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I agree with this, it's unfair.
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I agree with this, it's unfair.
Life its unfair, police always have more advantages from crimminals and i think that the system is really realistic and should not be changed.
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Before you tell us to not commit crimes, think about abuses, today I did Roleplay punching someone without doing it script-wise the cop suspected my friend, not even me and we instantly got sprayed by 3 combats. Also, you can't really enforce following the 50km inside of city boundaries, because that would be insane. Some cops nowadays don't even bother pulling you over.
And please, don't encourage players to move from this server to another just because you decide to literally DM criminals.
Life its unfair, police always have more advantages from crimminals and i think that the system is really realistic and should not be changed.
Explain to me how a criminal that is suspected for speeding, or for punching someone, getting sprayed by four combats, getting drive-by in a significantly slower vehicle than the cop's, is a realistic system?
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Explain to me how a criminal that is suspected for speeding, or for punching someone, getting sprayed by four combats, getting drive-by in a significantly slower vehicle than the cop's, is a realistic system?
If a crimminal feels abused he can always /gu and ask for an investigation.
Or if he choose to run away, of course there will be consequences
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If a crimminal feels abused he can always /gu and ask for an investigation.
Or if he choose to run away, of course there will be consequences
And your answer to a suspected that evaded to a pulling over, is based on drive-by with M4s and spraying with combats when he is out of the vehicle? Everything seems extremely realistic indeed. Me and the other 50 active criminals must be the wrong ones.
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100% agreed.
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100% agreed.
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I even have to agree with this, I am usually a LEO (cop) but now and then I also am a Taxi-Driver, or a medic. So a few days ago, I was on medic duty, in C3, when I got suspected for reckless driving, I was slowing down my vehicle to stop it and I already got shot by 3 M4's. Its getting rather annoying that this keeps happening. I wont say I never directly shoot at a suspect that is in a slower vehicle then me, but most of the time that person is either suspected for murder or shooting. I have to agree, it sometimes can and will get annoying.
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And your answer to a suspected that evaded to a pulling over, is based on drive-by with M4s and spraying with combats when he is out of the vehicle? Everything seems extremely realistic indeed. Me and the other 50 active criminals must be the wrong ones.
Mr.RafaDK i never said that police brutality is good.
I said that if a suspect choose to run away there will be consequences like a pursuit ends to a car accident with officer or suspect dead.
I dont support the DB on slowest vehicles or on unarmed suspects.
I dont support the police abuse on idle and unarmed suspects with pepper spray and combats.
I clearly said that Police will always have advantages more than crimminals and this will never change trust me.
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Totally agree...
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Mr.RafaDK i never said that police brutality is good.
I said that if a suspect choose to run away there will be consequences like a pursuit ends to a car accident with officer or suspect dead.
I dont support the DB on slowest vehicles or on unarmed suspects.
I dont support the police abuse on idle and unarmed suspects with pepper spray and combats.
I clearly said that Police will always have advantages more than crimminals and this will never change trust me.
The thing is, it used to be like that, but it isn't anymore.
I even have to agree with this, I am usually a LEO (cop) but now and then I also am a Taxi-Driver, or a medic. So a few days ago, I was on medic duty, in C3, when I got suspected for reckless driving, I was slowing down my vehicle to stop it and I already got shot by 3 M4's. Its getting rather annoying that this keeps happening. I wont say I never directly shoot at a suspect that is in a slower vehicle then me, but most of the time that person is either suspected for murder or shooting. I have to agree, it sometimes can and will get annoying.
Glad to see a neutral opinion other than a cop vs criminal fight in the thread, thank your for staying neutral.
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Criminals do have their way to interact, it's called CB radio, RP it as a walkie talkie frequency what ever.
Heavy weapons can be bought, so there's equality.
Although this isn't regular, I have to agree with some points.
Now I have been sensing abusive use of firearms towards criminals nowadays even by SAPD staff. In my time using a buffalo was held in many regulations. Now seeing a SAPD member in a bullet is more usual than in a regular cruiser. Some of them take an ARPD officer with them to DB any vehicle, so later they can allege that "They're ARPD , they don't have DB regulations".
But oh well. It depends on the SAPD higher command to start creating in the new officers the joy of a good pursuit without firearms involved.
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100% agreed.
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Hey.
I produced a number of detailed ideas to make some unrealistic things, realistic.
What I see is, that the problem you've mentioned, can be solved by my ideas.
Before I begin, Argonath is not a Team DM. Cops will have advantages and cops will kill the living shit out of you, be cause you're breaking the law.
Now, I've been FBI, SAPD, and been doing cop stuff since I joined. Recently I've been doing crimes.
I'm roleplaying a poor thug, drive a tahoma and rob people while simply carrying deagle.
Now the problem is, cops are armed like military. Combats M4 and what not. Same goes for criminals. Its fkin crazy. My idea is, increase weapon prices by 10x. It will control the guns like a charm. No criminal with crazy guns, and no cop like that either.
Another suggestion. Vehicle prices are unrealistic. Why are cars so cheap!? It takes so much cash to buy a sports car like bullet, banshee or infernus. The prices of such cars should be 500k+. A shamal should be 2M+. People should buy a sentinel, sabre or cars like these man. And every time our car blows up, the /sell car price should reduce by 5%. So if you blow up your car 16 times, it completely vanishes. People will take care of cars then. Don't take for granted.
These ideas are needed imo to fix some things and shift the server towards the roleplay side instead of the DM side. Believe it or not, I went to a DM server and you could chose class in the beginning, buy cars if you save cash, and buy guns from ammu. Main classes were cops and criminals. And it at some ocassions, looked no different than Argonath RPG. :/
Rafa is somewhat right. Since criminal is an official faction, maybe we can have a faction script for criminals. Only accessible to official groups and they can add/remove players. Just like cop ranks.
With faction script, maybe enable criminals to buy guns at 7x the price instead of 10x, and create a weapon dealing system. They will go sell for slightly cheaper than ammu and people will buy guns illegally. Maybe enable a special radio chat for them. Mafias use radios even in real life because it isn't the 90s anymore.
This will give the criminal factions a big advancement.
You see, in some way he's right. I see cops shooting my car until it blows up and killing a criminal on sight, with high grade military weapons. There needs to be restriction on using guns. Cops should not shoot unless the suspect shoots, simple. No driveby or no shooting unless he's shot. And cops should make sure they drive by to get the tire and make the suspect surrender, instead of shooting him continuously and blowing g up the car and then killing him. I believe such restrictions should be enforced since sometimes because of these, I can't roleplay.
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Just not to mention that the whole SRU team and some criminals ended up banned for cbug and nowadays the majority of the cops do it and it feels like the a-team either fails to see it, or closes their eyes.
If the majority of them is doing it, why you only reported one individual once for c-bugging the last 8 days?
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I agree with this, it's unfair.
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If the majority of them is doing it, why you only reported one individual once for c-bugging the last 8 days?
I either die while /report or I /gu to report, either way they will stop shooting.
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I get where you're coming from, but you gotta understand that cops and criminals can't be even. Cops will ALWAYS have the advantage, that's how it HAS to be. When you become a criminal, you have to understand the police will do whatever it takes you arrest or kill you. Although I do disagree with cops using non police vehicles and non standard weapons(deagle, pepper spray, baton, and SMG), those are usually SAPD rules.(except the guns part.) Cops have the advantage anywhere you go, whether it's another server or real life.
Like I said, I don't support the DBing of vehicles at all, especially slow ones. I believe according to policy SAPD can't DB anything slower than 177, nor can they patrol in non-patrol vehicles such as a Bullet or Infernus. These rule are generally unenforced, however. If SAPD can begin to enforce those two rules, it will become a little better for criminals, but it will NEVER be even.
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This is the most ridicullous question i came across so far.
I mean, come on - Police works for the government and is funded by it with weapons and other gear, while criminals are well.. just criminals, making peoples lives worse..?
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I gotta agree with it, the thing is, cops "hate". You kill him, he comes back shooting at one person, who is the one killing him earlier. The new badge ID is not working well. A timer should be placed there, in order for cops not to return after death, instead, improve RPing by placing tickets and having no access on guns. This will bring more /report's though.
This is what happened today:
I own the Palomino Creek pizza-stack and I was RPing a pizza guy. I got an order from another friend of mine and we were RPing there, while being in the same CB having a laugh. At some moment he decides to take out some brass knuckles and I ran up to my car taking a pepper spray. I call 911 tellign them there's a robber, meanwhile my friend was actign like I was assaulting him. Two cops arrive, a maverick and a cruiser. They say hello and tell me to lose the pepper spray, I went on my car and came back. At the moment, Jericho(suspect) with a slow-ass vehicle passes by. A cop after him tries to take a shortcut and hits lots of poles and trees. The cruiser dealing my case leaves immediatly and the maverick turned his engine on in order to go after Jerricho. I was left there, after /wave 2'ing in the middle of the road, like four police cruisers pop by and the last one pushes me over. I was shouting for help in the mean time. After getting equiped, they go after a suspect with sirens on. Then Jerricho starts complaining in /p for getting DMed by SWAT. I hardly believe SWAT's vehicle was slower than a sentinel/admiral yet he got disabled from his vehicle and killed.
Seriously, cops are too money-hungry, but the fact that rules don't mean anything to them doesn't mean civilians/criminals should get their game disturbed. They buy shitlods of guns, and what I do is only waste their armors and they immediatly run away. If he makes any damage to me I shoot them to death, yes, I'm the one following a cop. Yet, the guy comes just in order for us not to escape and stays on the very last corner of the minimap. Admins tend to redirect you to ARPD forums, and if the cop is an ARPD, he'll sure do it again. He has nothing to lose.
SAPD has some limitations to DBing, who follows them ? Jason Bridges is always on a bullet, DBing.
SWAT DB's immediatly on sight.
FBI is mostly for RP scenes, and to be honest, I like FBI and have nothing against them.
Let's not start with hunter/hydra, yes we have shamals, but so does AirDiv. Yet, cops use a hunter without any "warning-shots" on a suspected guy, for killing his own family member while being on ESC. Spam the chat all you want for it, you won't get unsuspected.
Yes, we can use jetpacks, but so can cops.
Yes, we can take a Dodo to land up on a roof, AirDiv(and the whole ARPD) can take a beagle and DB from it.
What I'm thinking of suggesting is that cops can't use state vehicles. "realistic" - yes it is. Argonath is no RL:Rp but since you mentioned being realistic...
it will NEVER be even.
It won't but maybe enforcing the rules won't ruin the gameplay that much.
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I either die while /report or I /gu to report, either way they will stop shooting.
Then do not throw false accusations towards the admin team by saying they close their eyes while you do not even report the rulebreakers.
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Life its unfair, police always have more advantages from crimminals and i think that the system is really realistic and should not be changed.
No, not at all. Many Organized Crime Groups are capable of overpowering the PD and their divisions.
This is the most ridicullous question i came across so far.
I mean, come on - Police works for the government and is funded by it with weapons and other gear, while criminals are well.. just criminals, making peoples lives worse..?
This is partly correct, however, many people actually manage to join and get promotion in the Government, who work for Mafias, therefor, many Mafias are capable of exploiting the Government weaponry supply and use it to supply their "making people's lives worse" business.
Top Tier:
Mobsters
Mafias
Wait wait wait, you would now say that Mobsters and Mafias are the same, no, absolutely not. In many countries, Mobs way more secret and possibly "somehow" leading the Country itself, possibily being a "Government Official" or from the underground. They have the access to weapons and confiscated drugs, or information about them. Most mafias tend to recruit Mobs, or invite them for a payment, in order to get access to such information. Therefor, a Mobster is higher ranked than Mafias on the "fear list".
Med Tier:
Police Departments(And their divisions/sub-divisions)
Why is the PD not above the Mafias/Mobs? It is because that the Top Tier does not fear the PD, due to their Governmental access, as well as Police rules and regulations. If the PD wouldn't be following the laws, they would be even more powerful than mafias and maybe mobsters - but now they are not.
Low Tier:
Gangs
Bikers
Gangs are often a bunch of "friends/mates" that are quite poor, or has no education to use, therefor, they stick with illegal things, such as drug deals. They are not really educated and more of an unorganized crime group. They are above Bikers as many bikers tend to stay legal while having fun riding their motorcycle with their friends. Due the PD having upper weaponry access, they do overpower Gangs and Bikers.
Lowest Tier:
Civilians
Really basic, these guys got no illegal connections, they do their job, they are capable of being murdered by any of the above.
This is a simple explanation to the "fear list" tiers, which should somehow be taken into consideration, feel free to argue over anything that seems wrong here.
Don't blame the Police Force for their acts, blame the stupid "badazz mafia apllai nao bank robbary /call 911 gimme 1 mil or i bomb ur bank" mafias and their stupid repetitive roleplay.
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This is the most ridicullous question i came across so far.
I mean, come on - Police works for the government and is funded by it with weapons and other gear, while criminals are well.. just criminals, making peoples lives worse..?
The thing is, this is a game, you're here to have fun, not to be generally upset, about getting sprayed with combat when you use a deagle nor to get M4'd the living shit out of you by SAPD who take APRD members just to the end give the excuse. Plus if argonath wanted to PD to use bullets they would provide them the bullets just as they provided them with Buffalos. Your point is invalid.
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Then do not throw false accusations towards the admin team by saying they close their eyes while you do not even report the rulebreakers.
I gave two possibilities you either miss it, or you either close your eyes, I never said you did any of them both. Possibility =/= saying it's the reality and it's happening.
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Eh, let me make some points clear.
1. SWAT does not equip freecops or any other people without a very good reason.
2. If the cops would stop using high speed vehicles and heavy weapons it will be like the old days criminals saying shit about SAPD that SAPD suck balls and all of them suck at shooting and unskilled, and that will actually increase the DM since more and more criminals will enjoy killing cops.
3. High speed vehicles are not allowed to be used by SAPD members unless you have permission from a lieutenant+ and a good reason.
4. Same goes about heavy weapons, if you use combat we are allowed to use combat, if you use deagle there is no reason for us to use heavy weapon and we must shoot back with deagle.
5. Argonath is not a TDM server, cops are soppused to have communication and teamwork and it does not matter if you are wanted for reckless driving, you are still wanted and have to be stopped so I don't see a reason why can't we teamwork and get you dealt with.
6. I'm not saying cops are angels, and I am not saying criminals are, both of the sides make mistakes and if you see some cop rulebreaking you are free to report him at the arpd forums.
7. Why bringing up SRU members getting banned for cbug? I can't recall any of us getting banned for cbug and how is it related to this case?
Anything I forgot?
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Totally agree
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Totally agree
i also agree
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2. If the cops would stop using high speed vehicles and heavy weapons it will be like the old days criminals saying shit about SAPD that SAPD suck balls and all of them suck at shooting and unskilled, and that will actually increase the DM since more and more criminals will enjoy killing cops.
Teamwork is the key. I caught endless NRGs and Infernus with good teamwork and Roadblocks.
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You blame cops for a lot of wrondoings, yet I don't see you reporting them on the ARPD Forum http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0
I can conclude you like to complain but you don't use the tools you have to report the people who are not following the rules or the regulations...
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Eh, let me make some points clear.
1. SWAT does not equip freecops or any other people without a very good reason.
2. If the cops would stop using high speed vehicles and heavy weapons it will be like the old days criminals saying shit about SAPD that SAPD suck balls and all of them suck at shooting and unskilled, and that will actually increase the DM since more and more criminals will enjoy killing cops.
3. High speed vehicles are not allowed to be used by SAPD members unless you have permission from a lieutenant+ and a good reason.
4. Same goes about heavy weapons, if you use combat we are allowed to use combat, if you use deagle there is no reason for us to use heavy weapon and we must shoot back with deagle.
5. Argonath is not a TDM server, cops are soppused to have communication and teamwork and it does not matter if you are wanted for reckless driving, you are still wanted and have to be stopped so I don't see a reason why can't we teamwork and get you dealt with.
6. I'm not saying cops are angels, and I am not saying criminals are, both of the sides make mistakes and if you see some cop rulebreaking you are free to report him at the arpd forums.
7. Why bringing up SRU members getting banned for cbug? I can't recall any of us getting banned for cbug and how is it related to this case?
Anything I forgot?
Then why am getting sprayed with combat even when I use deagle? Why when I drive my bullet you and some of your claimed SWAT friends came on bullets and still DB'd me with M4? Why yesterday when we were at the bridge with deagles we got M4'd by Pazienza? Why yesterday when there were 3 barricaded suspects at East LS, freecops were getting armours from SWAT members? (You were not even online). I brough SRU members because it's the easiest situation to sum up, SRU was hated instantly banned, SAPD doing it is ok? And you weren't part of SRU when that happened. That's why you can't recall it. Yes you forgot your real opinion.
ikr man
swat job is to arrest high priority suspects
arpd officers and sapd officers do it swell when swat isn't 10-7
Rings you a bell?
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Teamwork is the key. I caught endless NRGs and Infernus with good teamwork and Roadblocks.
Teamwork is unfortunately not always available.
Yes you forgot your real opinion.
I didn't forget my opinion, it just changed. You have to understand that's a game and you are here to have fun instead of getting punished 24/7 and arguing with people 24/7. Try to use more sense and you will see what I mean.
@Rafa, i'm going out of this topic, we can discuss on skype if you wish.
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Life its unfair, police always have more advantages from crimminals and i think that the system is really realistic and should not be changed.
Realistic? Holy shit.
And why cops should have more advantages than criminals?
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You shouldn't only blame the PD, the criminals are also being and acting stupid. Including their tiny DM fests bank robberies, bomb threats, shark bait kidnaps and other stupid crap. I don't see a reason why should you try and fix the PD before fixing the Criminals, they should show an example of good concept to the cops.
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okay , everyone saying "I agree" isn't helping the discussion, tell us the things you agree with
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.
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Realistic? Holy shit.
And why cops should have more advantages than criminals?
Its okay to be organized better than Criminals its an government duty must be organized but returning after deaths and using a lot of different vehicles as a cop duty and criminals cannot drive PD cars also they getting weps from free and if you're new in game you can go on duty in 1 minute.
So,dont tell me about realistic. I agree Mario.
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All the major players from the criminals side Antonio, Daniel, Cofiliano, Romeo, Violet, NitrOx, Flash, either quit or reduced their gaming time drastically due all the advantages that cops have.
LOL
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4. right... oh yeah i never been mowed down by 5 SAPD with heavy weapons when i was unarmed.
5. You are orange that's all that matters right? I get suspected for a minor pity crime and i try to escape in my greenwood. The speed of the vehicle doesn't stop either arpd or sapd from dbing but the funny thing is when a sapd use a arpd to db to get pass that rule.
And yeah some people just want to have a good car chase, but that is rare in Argonath even though you have the blips on the minimap.
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okay , everyone saying "I agree" isn't helping the discussion, tell us the things you agree with
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.
Combat Shotguns are OP, you are fucked in the butt if you are shot while not moving. A single clip from the Combat is capable of penetrating a $2,000 armor and kill the guy behind it. They should be restricted to SAPD Upper Command or SWAT Officers. The only way to a Combat Shotgun on the criminals side to get it smuggled from a corrupt SAPD/SWAT, which is less likely to happen.
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SWAT does not equip others unless it's totally necessary or it's ordered by the situation leader or Command, other than that if you got any complaints with actual evidence you are free to PM me and I can ensure you that I will take action with it, but keep in mind that such topics where only moaning is taking part with no actual evidence shown or even specific situations stated and correctly explained are usually ignored by me.
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Being a cop is a mayor excuse to DM around.
Currently i can't even name 1 high ranked cop in Law Organisation (i.e. SWAT and FBI) that can do a full, proper RP.
SWAT's RP - *takes papper spray and sprays you to death*, such animations as /hide or /hurt to start a normal RP are pointless because they continue spraying till you die or /gu.
FBI's RP - *has 5 guns pointed in his head and he does what ever he wants*
The above proves that they can't even make a basic RP. If high ranks are doing that, of course that freecops will do the same too.
Cops should be limited with using only patrol cars if they use teamwork and communication, as Orel stated.
Shamal is NOT a PATROL VEHICLE.
Cops should be able to come back in a normal chase, but not in a massive RP scenario.
Cops dont have more mayor advantages than criminals. They have guns, cars, planes, choppers, so do criminals.
Actually the only mayor advantages are that they can come back in a same RP scenario as zombies and that they can /resetspawn in front of a building (where is the RP scenario) and then get re-armed by FBI/SWAT Rancher which is ridiculous.
As always, this topic won't change anything, but it's always nice to hear different opinions.
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4. right... oh yeah i never been mowed down by 5 SAPD with heavy weapons when i was unarmed.
5. You are orange that's all that matters right? I get suspected for a minor pity crime and i try to escape in my greenwood. The speed of the vehicle doesn't stop either arpd or sapd from dbing but the funny thing is when a sapd use a arpd to db to get pass that rule.
And yeah some people just want to have a good car chase, but that is rare in Argonath even though you have the blips on the minimap.
There are ARPD officers that you can't force them to follow the SAPD regulations. they are allowed to drive what ever they want and use a combat even if you use deagle and are allowed to DB even if you use a kart.
Last, if you have problem with the SAPD you are more then welcome to report it in the arpd forums like I already said.
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Top Tier:
Mobsters
Mafias
Wait wait wait, you would now say that Mobsters and Mafias are the same, no, absolutely not. In many countries, Mobs way more secret and possibly "somehow" leading the Country itself, possibily being a "Government Official" or from the underground. They have the access to weapons and confiscated drugs, or information about them. Most mafias tend to recruit Mobs, or invite them for a payment, in order to get access to such information. Therefor, a Mobster is higher ranked than Mafias on the "fear list".
Med Tier:
Police Departments(And their divisions/sub-divisions)
Why is the PD not above the Mafias/Mobs? It is because that the Top Tier does not fear the PD, due to their Governmental access, as well as Police rules and regulations. If the PD wouldn't be following the laws, they would be even more powerful than mafias and maybe mobsters - but now they are not.
Low Tier:
Gangs
Bikers
Gangs are often a bunch of "friends/mates" that are quite poor, or has no education to use, therefor, they stick with illegal things, such as drug deals. They are not really educated and more of an unorganized crime group. They are above Bikers as many bikers tend to stay legal while having fun riding their motorcycle with their friends. Due the PD having upper weaponry access, they do overpower Gangs and Bikers.
Lowest Tier:
Civilians
Really basic, these guys got no illegal connections, they do their job, they are capable of being murdered by any of the above.
This is a simple explanation to the "fear list" tiers, which should somehow be taken into consideration, feel free to argue over anything that seems wrong here.
Don't blame the Police Force for their acts, blame the stupid "badazz mafia apllai nao bank robbary /call 911 gimme 1 mil or i bomb ur bank" mafias and their stupid repetitive roleplay.
This is quite what I have in mind, Mafias and Mobs can seriously effect the balance/war between the Police and Criminals.
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Currently i can't even name 1 high ranked cop in Law Organisation (i.e. SWAT and FBI) that can do a full, proper RP.
SWAT's RP - *takes papper spray and sprays you to death*, such animations as /hide or /hurt to start a normal RP are pointless because they continue spraying till you die or /gu.
FBI's RP - *has 5 guns pointed in his head and he does what ever he wants*
The above proves that they can't even make a basic RP. If high ranks are doing that, of course that freecops will do the same too.
Roleplay works both ways.
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You shouldn't only blame the PD, the criminals are also being and acting stupid. Including their tiny DM fests bank robberies, bomb threats, shark bait kidnaps and other stupid crap. I don't see a reason why should you try and fix the PD before fixing the Criminals, they should show an example of good concept to the cops.
Criminals don't do those kind of RPs anymore because they know how it will end, if it isn't FBI you wouldn't even bother with the negotiations. So you can't really use that as excuse for major groups RPs. Last time I did a kidnap was about three days ago, and I kidnapped to create RP with other family more accurate, it was with Corleone, and we worked that fine with no shooting at all, I even went unarmed to that meeting. We also were trying to RP with Sforza when we realized there were at least 20 cops with armour and combats around us, prepared to unleash hell, ended up in a DM fest because someone decided to /su one of us for 'failure to comply', when we just tried to ignore the cops. I believe both sides need a fix, but this combat/db whatever on every criminal with no distinction has to stop.
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.
You equip people from SAPD, not ARPD officers just for the sick of it. There were 3 criminals inside, atleast 7 SWAT members outside, what need was there to also equip freecops?
Add more buffalos, who knows? Using high speed vehicles is okay for me anyway, but if you're in a buffalo why should you drive-by a buffalo? That's where my point is, not the actual faster vehicle.
The server already has more cops than criminals at this very moment, so you should find another excuse to support the return after death cop rule.
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okay , everyone saying "I agree" isn't helping the discussion, tell us the things you agree with
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k
SWAT-Special Weapons and Tactics
Got the point?
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SWAT-Special Weapons and Tactics
Got the point?
there are NO WAY enough of SWAT's to kill .. IDK.. 10 lucianos, 7 gvardia's 8 Sforza's and 10 Corleone's.. think about that.. WE need heavy weponary to kill, a deagle isn't enough for a luciano with combat shotgun and 2k armor
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As this is a complain topic with no actual evidences and no effort has been made by the author to use correct method to report the c-bugger and rulebreaking/regulation-breaking cop via /report function or ARPD forum, this topic is locked.
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50km inside of city boundaries, because that would be insane.
I agree its insane, that's why its 80km/h not 50km/h ... (and its been like that for years!)
Shamal is NOT a PATROL VEHICLE.
Would you rather have Air Division patrol in a Hydra ?
Actually the only mayor advantages are that they can come back in a same RP scenario as zombies and that they can /resetspawn in front of a building (where is the RP scenario) and then get re-armed by FBI/SWAT Rancher which is ridiculous.
Not all cops can return, at least one division operates a no-return rule ...
As for the /resetspawn, I think you will find criminals are doing the same ..s, and if no return got added you would have a server full of criminals who get BORED cos cops wont go near them.
As community leader and head of law enforcement I have had the mi-fortune of seeing all this from both close and far.
I understand the complaints, i also however see the complaints from Law enforcement.
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1. I actually wanted a no return rule for all law enforcement, I was told that criminals would just abuse it and the server would be full of them.
2. I actually tested no-return for about a week, back before RS4 got officially released. Main RS3 server had gone down and needed the owners, they where not available so I opened up the RS4 test server to the public.
After a week criminals did NOT want the cops to not-return, it got boring, kill all cops and nothing left to do ...
3. Police using civilian vehicles, yep, it's not on and its being looked into. Hopefully they will not get used for police duty, but only to return to a place of duty. There will be exceptions and also limitations to what you will be allowed to do if in a civilian vehicle (we wont stop it, there are times when there is no other choice).
4. The equipping of others from police mobile stores.. Well this one is tough cos most the the time when its done, there is a damn good reason, and mass DM with mass spawn killing is a typical example, barricade situations now days are more DM than RP .. enter to talk .. dead before the entry process is finished.
What we need is not so much a balance between cops and criminals but a more enjoyable way to play without resorting to killing. That way there would be less need for weapons.
Maybe its cos too many criminals will die rather than RP, maybe its cos many cops are indeed money hunters and don't give a shite about RP. Maybe its cos some cops that try to RP get shot and killed anyway, making RP a waste and discouraging future RP..
What we as players need to do is to encourage RP, make it beneficial in some form, either through friendship or other ways. It is not just criminals, it is not just cops, it is all over the server. Players now days seem to just want only one beneficial form.. money... well RP will not get you that, but it will get you friendship, and enjoyment.
Its the experienced players that are making this worse too, they have stopped the RP after so so much discouragement, time to try again, do not give up trying!
Also RP should flexible, do not give the other side only one option, they will not play as that not really RP but Forced RP, flexibility, multiple ways to go forward with a RP situation may even lead to something unexpected, but it should be fun, try to loose the seriousness, it is a game afterall