Server equality - Criminals / Cops.

[RafaDK]

Eh, let me make some points clear.
1. SWAT does not equip freecops or any other people without a very good reason.
2. If the cops would stop using high speed vehicles and heavy weapons it will be like the old days criminals saying shit about SAPD that SAPD suck balls and all of them suck at shooting and unskilled, and that will actually increase the DM since more and more criminals will enjoy killing cops.
3. High speed vehicles are not allowed to be used by SAPD members unless you have permission from a lieutenant+ and a good reason.
4. Same goes about heavy weapons, if you use combat we are allowed to use combat, if you use deagle there is no reason for us to use heavy weapon and we must shoot back with deagle.
5. Argonath is not a TDM server, cops are soppused to have communication and teamwork and it does not matter if you are wanted for reckless driving, you are still wanted and have to be stopped so I don't see a reason why can't we teamwork and get you dealt with.
6. I'm not saying cops are angels, and I am not saying criminals are, both of the sides make mistakes and if you see some cop rulebreaking you are free to report him at the arpd forums.
7. Why bringing up SRU members getting banned for cbug? I can't recall any of us getting banned for cbug and how is it related to this case?


Anything I forgot?

Then why am getting sprayed with combat even when I use deagle? Why when I drive my bullet you and some of your claimed SWAT friends came on bullets and still DB'd me with M4? Why yesterday when we were at the bridge with deagles we got M4'd by Pazienza? Why yesterday when there were 3 barricaded suspects at East LS, freecops were getting armours from SWAT members? (You were not even online). I brough SRU members because it's the easiest situation to sum up, SRU was hated instantly banned, SAPD doing it is ok? And you weren't part of SRU when that happened. That's why you can't recall it. Yes you forgot your real opinion.

ikr man
swat job is to arrest high priority suspects
arpd officers and sapd officers do it swell when swat isn't 10-7

Rings you a bell?

[Orel]

Teamwork is the key. I caught endless NRGs and Infernus with good teamwork and Roadblocks.

Teamwork is unfortunately not always available.

Yes you forgot your real opinion.

I didn't forget my opinion, it just changed. You have to understand that's a game and you are here to have fun instead of getting punished 24/7 and arguing with people 24/7. Try to use more sense and you will see what I mean.
@Rafa, i'm going out of this topic, we can discuss on skype if you wish.

[.Mario.]

Life its unfair, police always have more advantages from crimminals and i think that the system is really realistic and should not be changed.

Realistic? Holy shit.
And why cops should have more advantages than criminals?

[TiMoN]

You shouldn't only blame the PD, the criminals are also being and acting stupid. Including their tiny DM fests bank robberies, bomb threats, shark bait kidnaps and other stupid crap. I don't see a reason why should you try and fix the PD before fixing the Criminals, they should show an example of good concept to the cops.

[Gmail]

okay , everyone saying "I agree" isn't helping the discussion, tell us the things you agree with
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.

[Pablo Escobar]

Realistic? Holy shit.
And why cops should have more advantages than criminals?

Its okay to be organized better than Criminals its an government duty must be organized but returning after deaths and using a lot of different vehicles as a cop duty and criminals cannot drive PD cars also they getting weps from free and if you're new in game you can go on duty in 1 minute.

So,dont tell me about realistic. I agree Mario.

[Mario_Rinna]

All the major players from the criminals side Antonio, Daniel, Cofiliano, Romeo, Violet, NitrOx, Flash, either quit or reduced their gaming time drastically due all the advantages that cops have.

LOL

[RizzE.]

4. right... oh yeah i never been mowed down by 5 SAPD with heavy weapons when i was unarmed.
5. You are orange that's all that matters right? I get suspected for a minor pity crime and i try to escape in my greenwood. The speed of the vehicle doesn't stop either arpd or sapd from dbing but the funny thing is when a sapd use a arpd to db to get pass that rule.

And yeah some people just want to have a good car chase, but that is rare in Argonath even though you have the blips on the minimap.

[TiMoN]

okay , everyone saying "I agree" isn't helping the discussion, tell us the things you agree with
About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.

Combat Shotguns are OP, you are fucked in the butt if you are shot while not moving. A single clip from the Combat is capable of penetrating a $2,000 armor and kill the guy behind it. They should be restricted to SAPD Upper Command or SWAT Officers. The only way to a Combat Shotgun on the criminals side to get it smuggled from a corrupt SAPD/SWAT, which is less likely to happen.

[MrTrane]

SWAT does not equip others unless it's totally necessary or it's ordered by the situation leader or Command, other than that if you got any complaints with actual evidence you are free to PM me and I can ensure you that I will take action with it, but keep in mind that such topics where only moaning is taking part with no actual evidence shown or even specific situations stated and correctly explained are usually ignored by me.

[Acika]

Being a cop is a mayor excuse to DM around.
Currently i can't even name 1 high ranked cop in Law Organisation (i.e. SWAT and FBI) that can do a full, proper RP.
SWAT's RP - *takes papper spray and sprays you to death*, such animations as /hide or /hurt to start a normal RP are pointless because they continue spraying till you die or /gu.
FBI's RP - *has 5 guns pointed in his head and he does what ever he wants*
The above proves that they can't even make a basic RP. If high ranks are doing that, of course that freecops will do the same too.

Cops should be limited with using only patrol cars if they use teamwork and communication, as Orel stated.
Shamal is NOT a PATROL VEHICLE.
Cops should be able to come back in a normal chase, but not in a massive RP scenario.

Cops dont have more mayor advantages than criminals. They have guns, cars, planes, choppers, so do criminals.
Actually the only mayor advantages are that they can come back in a same RP scenario as zombies and that they can /resetspawn in front of a building (where is the RP scenario) and then get re-armed by FBI/SWAT Rancher which is ridiculous.

As always, this topic won't change anything, but it's always nice to hear different opinions.

[Orel]

4. right... oh yeah i never been mowed down by 5 SAPD with heavy weapons when i was unarmed.
5. You are orange that's all that matters right? I get suspected for a minor pity crime and i try to escape in my greenwood. The speed of the vehicle doesn't stop either arpd or sapd from dbing but the funny thing is when a sapd use a arpd to db to get pass that rule.

And yeah some people just want to have a good car chase, but that is rare in Argonath even though you have the blips on the minimap.

There are ARPD officers that you can't force them to follow the SAPD regulations. they are allowed to drive what ever they want and use a combat even if you use deagle and are allowed to DB even if you use a kart.
Last, if you have problem with the SAPD you are more then welcome to report it in the arpd forums like I already said.

[PulseEffect]

Top Tier:
Mobsters
Mafias

Wait wait wait, you would now say that Mobsters and Mafias are the same, no, absolutely not. In many countries, Mobs way more secret and possibly "somehow" leading the Country itself, possibily being a "Government Official" or from the underground. They have the access to weapons and confiscated drugs, or information about them. Most mafias tend to recruit Mobs, or invite them for a payment, in order to get access to such information. Therefor, a Mobster is higher ranked than Mafias on the "fear list".

Med Tier:
Police Departments(And their divisions/sub-divisions)
Why is the PD not above the Mafias/Mobs? It is because that the Top Tier does not fear the PD, due to their Governmental access, as well as Police rules and regulations. If the PD wouldn't be following the laws, they would be even more powerful than mafias and maybe mobsters - but now they are not.

Low Tier:
Gangs
Bikers

Gangs are often a bunch of "friends/mates" that are quite poor, or has no education to use, therefor, they stick with illegal things, such as drug deals.  They are not really educated and more of an unorganized crime group. They are above Bikers as many bikers tend to stay legal while having fun riding their motorcycle with their friends. Due the PD having upper weaponry access, they do overpower Gangs and Bikers.

Lowest Tier:
Civilians
Really basic, these guys got no illegal connections, they do their job, they are capable of being murdered by any of the above.
This is a simple explanation to the "fear list" tiers, which should somehow be taken into consideration, feel free to argue over anything that seems wrong here.


Don't blame the Police Force for their acts, blame the stupid "badazz mafia apllai nao bank robbary /call 911 gimme 1 mil or i bomb ur bank" mafias and their stupid repetitive roleplay.

This is quite what I have in mind, Mafias and Mobs can seriously effect the balance/war between the Police and Criminals.

[[WS]Jacob]

Currently i can't even name 1 high ranked cop in Law Organisation (i.e. SWAT and FBI) that can do a full, proper RP.
SWAT's RP - *takes papper spray and sprays you to death*, such animations as /hide or /hurt to start a normal RP are pointless because they continue spraying till you die or /gu.
FBI's RP - *has 5 guns pointed in his head and he does what ever he wants*
The above proves that they can't even make a basic RP. If high ranks are doing that, of course that freecops will do the same too.

Roleplay works both ways.

[RafaDK]

You shouldn't only blame the PD, the criminals are also being and acting stupid. Including their tiny DM fests bank robberies, bomb threats, shark bait kidnaps and other stupid crap. I don't see a reason why should you try and fix the PD before fixing the Criminals, they should show an example of good concept to the cops.

Criminals don't do those kind of RPs anymore because they know how it will end, if it isn't FBI you wouldn't even bother with the negotiations. So you can't really use that as excuse for major groups RPs. Last time I did a kidnap was about three days ago, and I kidnapped to create RP with other family more accurate, it was with Corleone, and we worked that fine with no shooting at all, I even went unarmed to that meeting. We also were trying to RP with Sforza when we realized there were at least 20 cops with armour and combats around us, prepared to unleash hell, ended up in a DM fest because someone decided to /su one of us for 'failure to comply', when we just tried to ignore the cops. I believe both sides need a fix, but this combat/db whatever on every criminal with no distinction has to stop.

About SWAT equiping ARPD, if it's needed the ARPD gets heeavy weponary, I don't think a simple Freecop will go buy 20k worth of guns, I agree with combats though, but on both sides, Combats should be either banned or set to a higher price, no actually banned, seeing as they are OP and don't bring any RP to the server, High speed vehicles for SAPD? NO SAPD can't use high speed vehicles , only the SAPD Buffalo, and there are only 4 of them.
Returning after death- Because there are more cops than there are criminals IRL, as simple as that, and criminals can store guns in their houses and pick them out in bulks, cops need to always buy new weapons.
Oh and if you REALLY think someone is abusing their cop powers.. ARPD forum.. as simple as that.

You equip people from SAPD, not ARPD officers just for the sick of it. There were 3 criminals inside, atleast 7 SWAT members outside, what need was there to also equip freecops?
Add more buffalos, who knows? Using high speed vehicles is okay for me anyway, but if you're in a buffalo why should you drive-by a buffalo? That's where my point is, not the actual faster vehicle.
The server already has more cops than criminals at this very moment, so you should find another excuse to support the return after death cop rule.