SAPD running the show in RS5

[Dillon]

Out of my absolute curiosity and nothing more how are cop and working in RS5? I would have imagined it has changed somehow has it?

 Cop bans* ipad won't let me edit my message easily

[Jimmy_Bowling]

All I can say on this topic is the following. I've been in the SAPD for a little over 2 years I've gone from Officer all the way to Captian and SWAT Command id still be there if I didnt make the choices I did in my life and take the time off to fufil my dreams. As anyone can say there is bad and good in the SAPD I've been privy to the best and worst of it. However when it comes to RS5 I can understand the reasoning behind this. If you decide to be a cop your a cop.. plain and simple Im not going to be the head of a gang and decide hey I wanna chase suspects today.. Many people complain about the lack of roleplay and how its chasing orange dots!! Well thats because you make it that, everytime im in the server I like to do traffic stops, assisting fire/medical with traffic, and just patroling pulling over and talking to a random group of people. Not that I think they are upto something bad (Not all the time) but just to be a regular cop on the streets. Back to the main point you can see a clear discrimination between Light blue names and Dark Blue names.. and if you want to fight this your wrong. I came back to the server as a freecop when I am on a call I can feel some people who do not know me from the past how they act like I am stupid or do not qualify to arrest them or give a good rp because being a "Freecop" is sometimes reffered to as being new to the server. The most suprising thing is when I see a new SAPD Officer and we are on a call and I'm trying to assist him with the planning of breaching a building or how to tactically surround suspects and he takes over the situation. Now I know for a fact I posess 100 X the expirence of that man but because my name is light blue and my rank isnt higher than his thats how it goes.

Basically all Im saying is if we have a more united police department which we will have in RS5 it will be better for roleplay. I was recently told by the Deputy Chief that the academy is not the same as it was when I was leading it. If any of you recieved training from me you know that I emphised on three things  Traffic Stops, How to conduct yourself in combat, and Proper situation handeling. The fact of the matter is its more important on how you conduct yourself with the general poupulation than knowing a police code.

Overall I must agree its better to have it this way. Although the SAPD will have to do something about the Activity checks due to the fact that I know Im not the only player that can not be active for more than 8 hours a week and currently (Atleast to my knolage - Dont quote me on this) The SAPD demands more than that.

If you have a problem with how the SAPD is being lead then get yourself in a position where you can change it. Took me a year but I got there and I guarantee you that anyone of you can do it if you put your mind to it.



Sorry went way off topic but some of that just had to be said.... in my opinion hope I don't piss anyone off too badly. However if I do remember these are my views and if you dont share the same thats your right but please dont try to correct my opinion because at the end of the day thats all it is.


P.S. Sorry for spelling and grammer  no time to edit this.

[Nexus_Riggs]

As Cpt. James Bowling stated, discrimination against ARPD Officer still exists, but from all the meetings I have attended so far I can conclude that SAPD's is focused on fixing this issue, it is our priority. Without ARPD Officers it would be impossible to lower the crime statistics to where it is today, we all should be thankful for their service. Few ARPD Officers asked several questions regarding the hierarchy that exist in the police force. I want to make it clear, that SAPD is a branch of ARPD, our slogan from first and last "To Serve and Protect". ARPD Officers are our colleagues when on duty, we respect their service as much as they appreciate ours. We encourage them, train them, expect them to cooperate with us, nothing more and nothing less. However people who support this topic clearly does not understand that we are one police force, where ARPD Officers were never separated from the system, neither were SAPD. People who complain about taking orders from the SAPD higher ranks, still have to take them as ARPD Commissioner authorized it to them, as he can't be online 24/7. It's quite reasonable because without SAPD overseeing it'd create two different police police, and that is not the vision of ARPD.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Yes, I would like to bring this case to the discussion table.
 http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=31167.0

So what rules have I broken in that case?

[Pingster]

As long as I'm not getting copbanned for clearly ignoring SAPD regulations when everyone's clearly having fun and no one's getting upset, and it's all done for the sake of having fun, then I don't mind stepping back from my iron stance of "Noany SAPD for everyone" (even though that stance has no power anyway .. ).

There's one thing I learned from Jcs (probably unbeknownst of him) and one thing that affected my every following roleplay in a major way.

As long as everyone is having fun, as long as no one's purposefully getting hurt (not their IG character, they themselves), as long as you have some fucking awesome roleplay going on, then nothing can touch you. Police regulations, procedures, preconceptions, hell, even some server rules, all should and usually do bow down to the power of creativity, roleplay and awesomeness. And when all of these conditions have been met, you realise just how fucking awesome Argonath is.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't expect no one to react negatively to what you're doing, quite the opposite, if they do, that only adds to it. A corrupt-ass police officer creating scenes that are just epic should get investigated by FBI, SAPD Chief, ARPD Commissioner and President himself, all at the same time if you please. But copbanning for all of this would just be too lame. If the corrupt-ass policeman manages to achieve all this, then the able parties should find alternative punishment instead. And this is what I mean when I say regulations should and usually do bow down to roleplay.

Any plans to change this in your vision of unified SAPD where it will be more obvious that we have to follow all regulations n stuff?



And I'm sorry if it seems like a bunch of rumbling, it all makes sense in my head and I'm a bit too tired to effectively get my point across. Main point is, roleplay should overrule everything else. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise should be hung off one of the flags at LSCH, 'cause that's what we're all here for. As long as the roleplay isn't causing anyone real discomfort and making anyone upset. When you manage to kill someone and have them go "Shit, that was fun", you know you got it.

[Ben.]

Yes, I would like to bring this case to the discussion table.
 http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=31167.0

So what rules have I broken in that case?

Curious. - off-topic, but curious anyway!

First thing I'd have wanted to know is how the notifications work - do firefighters get warned of an impeding fire before police officers?

Second point - You were killed. Question would be, what is the scenario of this? A police officers priority should be life before death...so should he have opened fire when you were so close by?

Third one - Why did you interfere with this? The correct procedure is to go in for investigation, and discuss the issue like grown-ups. Not saying whether this is right or wrong, but that's the rules.

Fourth one - What's going on in the background? The two witnesses were just temp-banned...are they reliable witnesses? Maybe it's worth contacting the administrator involved with that.

Fifth one - Why is Ronald under the impression you shouldn't be at a fire situation? You had the right to be there, and declared your intentions.

Sixth one - Why would Ronald discharge a firearm at them? Were they attacking him?

Not saying you're right or wrong, as you can see some questions are raised on you, and some are raised on him
P.S. Don't have to answer, just saying that's what I'd want to know.

[Brian]

As long as I'm not getting copbanned for clearly ignoring SAPD regulations when everyone's clearly having fun and no one's getting upset, and it's all done for the sake of having fun, then I don't mind stepping back from my iron stance of "Noany SAPD for everyone" (even though that stance has no power anyway .. ).

There's one thing I learned from Jcs (probably unbeknownst of him) and one thing that affected my every following roleplay in a major way.

As long as everyone is having fun, as long as no one's purposefully getting hurt (not their IG character, they themselves), as long as you have some f**king awesome roleplay going on, then nothing can touch you. Police regulations, procedures, preconceptions, hell, even some server rules, all should and usually do bow down to the power of creativity, roleplay and awesomeness. And when all of these conditions have been met, you realise just how f**king awesome Argonath is.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't expect no one to react negatively to what you're doing, quite the opposite, if they do, that only adds to it. A corrupt-ass police officer creating scenes that are just epic should get investigated by FBI, SAPD Chief, ARPD Commissioner and President himself, all at the same time if you please. But copbanning for all of this would just be too lame. If the corrupt-ass policeman manages to achieve all this, then the able parties should find alternative punishment instead. And this is what I mean when I say regulations should and usually do bow down to roleplay.

Any plans to change this in your vision of unified SAPD where it will be more obvious that we have to follow all regulations n stuff?



And I'm sorry if it seems like a bunch of rumbling, it all makes sense in my head and I'm a bit too tired to effectively get my point across. Main point is, roleplay should overrule everything else. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise should be hung off one of the flags at LSCH, 'cause that's what we're all here for. As long as the roleplay isn't causing anyone real discomfort and making anyone upset. When you manage to kill someone and have them go "Shit, that was fun", you know you got it.

Amen, can't agree more with Pingster. (seeya tomorrow evening, bring your beer!)

[Pingster]

I will.

Anyway, my hope is that the police force won't turn into a serious organisation where everyone is serious about being a police officer and everyone has to stay serious as long as they can, and honestly, please follow this guide on how to properly and seriously apprehend every single situation, because we have to be serious about being a police officer, it's serious business. If you don't want to be serious, you shouldn't be ruining the image of the rest of us, so please be serious.


Aka, just have a regulation in there somewhere that says anything along the lines of "Have some fun and relax once in a while. You don't need to be a model cop, whatever misconceptions of a model cop you may have.". I've never regretted not making it into FBI just for this reason alone. And I've always seen ARPD as something that has this unwritten, but agreed to follow by everyone, regulation. Don't change that. For crying out loud, don't change that. 

[Rusty]

I will.

Anyway, my hope is that the police force won't turn into a serious organisation where everyone is serious about being a police officer and everyone has to stay serious as long as they can, and honestly, please follow this guide on how to properly and seriously apprehend every single situation, because we have to be serious about being a police officer, it's serious business. If you don't want to be serious, you shouldn't be ruining the image of the rest of us, so please be serious.

We won't be overly-serious, but we do wish to maintain a decent standard.

Everyone will learn to adapt to the change eventually, it's progress in the right direction in an attempt to rub out the issues that currently plague us.
This has happened to take away certain "freedom" from what you previously had, everyone can still have fun that is why we are all here isn't it?
It's us, the player's who can make a big difference we just need to work together to overcome, the image other's see cops as is something along the lines of "suspect > chase > kill" we aren't here to simply go about killing orange dots, we should be focusing on actual police work more often another issue we hope to resolve.

[Gandalf]

As far as I am aware there is nothing that will stop SAPD officers from engaging in any kind of roleplay scenario.
To make it clear, the main essence is that when you go on duty you are expected to behave as a LEO. Now as you may know there are very large varieties of LEO's in the world, and an English bobby is very different from an American SWAT or Russian Road Police officer. You can play any of them, or be the annoying meter maid that gave you a parking ticket today.

SAPD will not have the authority to read or obtain logs and hand out punishment by them, if they wish to make a case they will have to base it on roleplay evidence of 'catching you in the act'.

When you assume the cop role all that is required is that you act like one. Nothing more, nothing less. And it would be preferred if you actually attempt to interact with people instead of typing commands and pushing the trigger button.

[Ben.]

I suppose a cop-ban isn't all that bad then really - if you're corrupt, expect one! If an RP cop-ban, then it's not because you've broken server rules, and you won't be judged as a community member...all in the name of RP!

[Pingster]

I suppose a cop-ban isn't all that bad then really - if you're corrupt, expect one!

Negative, just be a good cop when there are unknown peers and don't do dumb stuff that'll get you caught! Besides that, if you can come up with an alternative, situation appropriate punishment for the corrupt cop, even better. Nothing should be black and white in this world, just because someone is corrupt doesn't instantly mean they receive a copban I can think of multiple other ways to deal with a corrupt cop, depending what it is they do!

Rusty, I understand your point, of the suspects > chase > kill, and I will hardly deny that I don't do it, 'cause I do at great efficiency, and there's no point denying for almost any other cop that they don't do it. While we all know it's not a CnR server, it's foolish to think it will not happen provided we are given tools to make it happen. What we can do, however, is balance it out with police roleplay.

And no offence, patrolling and pulling over everyone, followed by near scripted conversation? Yeah, that's not going to do that, in all honesty, it's just annoying. Be spontaneous and do stuff differently, you don't need to follow some book when pulling people over, get creative. Shit gets fun, not just for you, for the other person as well. You no longer feel like you're working as a police officer, you'll feel like your damn enjoying being a police officer, and you know what? People will enjoy the new you. Pull over a person for no reason whatsoever and turn it into something COMPLETELY unrelated to ANYTHING. Heck, an hour ago I tried to arrest Nexxt and Skalleper (a cop, much less) for being gay, which led to a purging at Palomino Church, where Nexxt turned into a mexican and Skalleper got purged, and then FBI took us (Skalleper anyway, I just wouldn't leave him :P) in, but because Sauron was guiding us, they couldn't do anything because religion is protected by civil rights. I probably broke several ARPD/SAPD regulations, as well as a server rule for calling him and Nexxt gay, but that made my evening and everyone had fun.

This is what I mean when I talk about freedom of ARPD. You're not taught by some academy on how to do anything "properly", you just do it and have fun. And I'm by no means advocating breaking server rules, anyone will tell you I'm a tight arse about those, but if you're able to bend them in a way that no one is hurt and everyone has fun, I reckon you should be free to do so - I mean, that's why they are there, isn't it? To protect the players and make sure they can have fun.


Cheers Gandalf, that's the kind of thing I like to hear. If we ignore the fact that trying to roleplay SWAT without being SWAT is probably going to land you in trouble, I get the idea and love it. Promotes playing your way, instead of a taught way. You get variety over police bots.

[Ben.]

Arrogant son of a ..
I've been a rogue police officer before you were a white smear, don't need the lecture on confiscation of badges boy'o!
My point is that if you're corrupt, don't complain about temporarily losing your badge...its to be expected as you're CORRUPT. Correct, there are ways and means other than that, but don't expect lenient treatment...

That said, I may enjoy dishing out some alternative punishments in the months to come...

[Pingster]

I'd complain about it now, but not on RS5, the system Gandalf's suggesting is just the kind of thing to promote such roleplay. As long as you're smart about it, there's no way in hell you end up getting copbanned, unless you're being stalked by undercover cops :p

[CBFasi]

Anyway, my hope is that the police force won't turn into a serious organisation where everyone is serious about being a police officer and everyone has to stay serious as long as they can, and honestly, please follow this guide on how to properly and seriously apprehend every single situation, because we have to be serious about being a police officer, it's serious business. If you don't want to be serious, you shouldn't be ruining the image of the rest of us, so please be serious.

Dare I say it.. but I hope the same...

We are here to have fun and enjoy the game, so as I put it on the entry of RS4... Stay within the decent realms of roleplay.
SAPD/ARPD is not there to control you, its there to provide a means to directed RP in the roles of law enforcement... 
The regulations are there to help guide and protect you and others from stupid actions that are outside the decent realms of roleplay.