Criminal / family group support

[Frank_Hawk]

Hint hint, i'm not DHR.Mike But yes, you formulated the problem very clearly. We can build upon the basic idea that i posted earlier. What should be extended and improved upon that?

Providing we have 'buy in' from the leadership/management - the next steps will be to suggest methods of introducing cash into the economy that is evenly spread across different tiers of players. We need to avoid being a in predicament similar to RS4 where inflation was too high and cash was meaningless. We need to spur short term growth and ensure that proper cash is reaching individuals who are capable of retaining and attracting talent both internally and externally - this is not favoritism, it is about realising and capitalising on our strengths. We need to put aside the egos of both the leadership/management/players too because ultimately we have one objective, which is to ensure the prosperity of our community.

We need to leverage on our strong points as a community and stop focusing on our weaknesses.

[stormeus]

the next steps will be to suggest methods of introducing cash into the economy that is evenly spread across different tiers of players

Define "tiers" before this becomes a rehashed "'official' groups v. everyone else" idea. Also:

We need to spur short term growth and ensure that proper cash is reaching individuals who are capable of retaining and attracting talent both internally and externally - this is not favoritism, it is about realising and capitalising on our strengths.

How do you suggest we find these individuals and define talent? How will we incentivize such players? Until a basic idea for how that would work is at least brought up to be refined, the idea isn't much better than saying "money is broken, we should fix it."

[Frank_Hawk]

I give up.

There is no point continuing, especially since my posts are being deleted. Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.

I'm through with this - good luck resolving the issue at hand.

Wake me up when Kojak or Gandalf is back.

[Abraham]

We need to leverage on our strong points as a community and stop focusing on our weaknesses.

Our strongest point as a community is that we have members willing to spend several hours a day working with broken scripts and unfinished features to make their fortune, these are the people you need not neglect, these are the people who deserve functioning scripts, and if there were ever to be funds or support given to anyone, it should be to these people, no one else.

One of our weaknesses are uninspiring group leaders and community members who are unwilling to put in the hard work to earn their own money or encourage others to do it for them, and blame everyone but themselves.

I'm not rich, but I'm aware of why I am not rich, and I can guarantee you that if I was to truly dedicate my time to expanding my wealth, it would've expanded far beyond what it is now.

What 'we' need to focus on right now as a community is coming up with ideas on how to improve the server game mode, not inflating the economy.
Nor should we focus on coming up with hat tricks to disguise an economic stimulus.

The only stimulus I'd like to see in RS5 is the kind that comes through scripts being adapted to server activity levels rather than the wanted server activity, which is actively happening as time passes; we've seen it happening with the drug scripts and we're still seeing adjustments being made to compensate for the activity levels (which has increased highly these past months as well (guess why... hint: not because of economic stimulus)).
There's a state bank and there's paydays for those who actually play on the server, it's all the stimulus we need.

Spoiler for Hiden:

As far as this "What is Argonath?" bullshit that's been going on for f**king ages, Argonath's been defined as an RPG, get over it and stop trying to over-complicate it, let the game mode develop the server rather than forcing your own disgusting beliefs.

I have my own beliefs of how the server 'should' be and how I want it to function, the big difference here is that I don't try to shove it down your throat and guess what's happening?; My ideals and beliefs are slowly but steadily becoming reality (thank god).

I've desperately tried to stay out of this topic cause I have a tenacity for sounding aggressive and rude, I mean no ill will.

But I do have every right not to agree with this idea and share my opinions on it.
You may now continue plotting the inevitable destruction of the server.

[Pingster]

How do you suggest we find these individuals and define talent? How will we incentivize such players? Until a basic idea for how that would work is at least brought up to be refined, the idea isn't much better than saying "money is broken, we should fix it."

Cherry pick them on a case by case basis, instead of creating arbitrary regulations to being eligible for getting money. Much like picking moderators and such.

While focus should be on individuals within groups (since a group of people can achieve more than one person), unaffiliated individuals should not be ignored in this selection if it ever came to it. JCstodds achieved a shitton because he had the funds to motivate people to join him in his crusade for insane roleplay, where otherwise they might not. Everyone knew that it's worth interacting with him in one way or another, either for the fun of it or just the money. Regardless of reasons, end result was more than obvious.

Now I'm not going to hold my breath for his reincarnation to be found easily, but there are still players out there who hold same ideals as he did, but who've maybe lost faith because people just don't want to roleplay, since it's not worth it maybe. So I'm with Frank on that one.

[Kessu]

While focus should be on individuals within groups (since a group of people can achieve more than one person)

Depends of the situation.


The moment you say it isn't worth to roleplay on a roleplay server, you're there for the wrong reasons.

[Pingster]

The moment you say it isn't worth to roleplay on a roleplay server, you're there for the wrong reasons.

And while I would love for that to be a widespread truth around here, practice proves the opposite.

We can either keep telling people to get lost until we are left with the few that do believe in that, or adjust the strategy and encourage RP with other means. And if those who do believe in that truth have a good, long think about it, at the end of the day you're giving meaningless bits of data and pixels in return for more people having fun. Put those two on scales, have a good think about what the goals here are, and depending on what you decide, see which way the scales tip. Will also put an end to this discussion once and for all.

[Axison]

Do we have to create a realistic economy in an unrealistic game?

[Stivi]

HQ, please think. You don't give a damn about player count, but you should, as much as the rest of us does. If we're one, we should think as one and care as one.

I was a new player in rs5 and now i dont feel like playing anymore... Most people feel/felt the same. The player count is increasing,and I'll give few reasons why I think it is:

Trucking script. Gave short term ways to make cash and I had fun for as long as it lasted.. People raging for trailers being lost, people laughing at trailers stuck in tunnels and poor guys trying to pish them back out, people laughing at people calling argonah names, etc. It was a good time, but now script is fucked up.

A certain active group provoking gang wars and brawls with another inactive group, and so dragging this group in game to fight back. Two groups fighting brought more cops and so player interactivity increased. Think about it.

[Murt]

Not really. The active groups are in-game working their way up, not on the forum begging for random things.

Most Active Groups This Month
SAA 6774 minutes
CIA 2945 minutes
Kolta 2772 minutes
Sforza 2346 minutes
RockStar 1338 minutes

The group activity is bugged hugely. Svensson, NBA, Corleone and Luciano are not listed there, yet I've looked up my personal activity together with Lustig's. I've counted it to 10922 minutes solely and that is more than all those groups listed there. If we'd take bigger and active groups by numbers, NBA or Luciano would top that list with 3-5x more activity.

Sorry lad, just gotta contradict this, even if it's two days after your post.


As of group support I'm satisfied what we have got from HQ. A recognised status, four group vehicles and an HQ, that suffices.

[Mikal]

Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.

I 100% agree as someone put under permanent moderation, I was given a final chance in SA:MP Argonath, but not on the petty forums, it makes so much sense.

Wake me up when Kojak or Gandalf is back.

You're going to be sleeping for a very long time then.

[Cofiliano]

I give up.

There is no point continuing, especially since my posts are being deleted. Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.

I'm through with this - good luck resolving the issue at hand.

Wake me up when Kojak or Gandalf is back.

Bro you gotta realize, that you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen. Even for the basic things. Its not their fault, you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility.

They are like bots, here to strictly follow what they were told long time ago, in a completely different server in a completely different situation, so tomorrow their ass wont be raped cause they did it somehow otherwise. And it doesn't matter that five year old kids see that everything went to hell, that those 'guides' and actions are way outdated and does not apply to the situation in the server anymore(on a contrary they are making completely counter-effects), that day by day those decisions are making the server more and more dead. They see and know that very well. They also know, just like you and me know, that if Gandalf is around, he would do a massive change in all of that, cause a dead server means nothing to no one and has no point, but until he comes back and announce it first, they're still bots running on outdated instruction.

There's also some complex issues and ego problems around here, some people are ready to sacrifice the server's existence cause of it,  but thats a whole new story, which isn't the time nor place to talk about.

[Pandalink]

You should already be happy that we are giving out HQ and free vehicles. Instead you just want more and more.
That's not the way it works.

Why not?
Just getting those things took seven years.
Surely you can see why people still want more.

Do we have to create a realistic economy in an unrealistic game?

The economy is not realistic, a real economy has inflation.

[Devin]

Bro you gotta realize, that you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen. Even for the basic things. Its not their fault, you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility.

They are like bots, here to strictly follow what they were told long time ago, in a completely different server in a completely different situation, so tomorrow their ass wont be raped cause they did it somehow otherwise. And it doesn't matter that five year old kids see that everything went to hell, that those 'guides' and actions are way outdated and does not apply to the situation in the server anymore(on a contrary they are making completely counter-effects), that day by day those decisions are making the server more and more dead. They see and know that very well. They also know, just like you and me know, that if Gandalf is around, he would do a massive change in all of that, cause a dead server means nothing to no one and has no point, but until he comes back and announce it first, they're still bots running on outdated instruction.

There's also some complex issues and ego problems around here, some people are ready to sacrifice the server's existence cause of it,  but thats a whole new story, which isn't the time nor place to talk about.

As usual, still full of yourself.

[stormeus]

The economy is not realistic, a real economy has inflation.

You heard it here first, guys: RS4 had the most realistic SA:MP economy of all time.

There is no point continuing, especially since my posts are being deleted. Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.

I saw your Part II thread get merged into this thread but I don't remember (or see) anything being deleted outright. I will say, though, that HQ does seem to have a serious problem with any pessimistic or negative views about the server being dismissed as "shitting" and handling the situation by banning anyone that does so.

you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen

you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility

There's also some complex issues and ego problems around here,

The irony here is just fantastic. I thought for sure you were satirizing your own point.