Some thing need to be done.

[Mario_Alfonso]

May I just say, I'm a user who's recently gone extremely inactive due to the RS5 Update.

The whole reason the RS4 Server is inactive is because they are both two different types of games, RS5 Is a completely different experience to RS4, And many of us "Old players" or "Regulars" do not wish to play on RS5 as we dislike the script (Not saying we don't respect those who like it or those who spent time coding it)

I'm completely aware that RS4 Is still up, the whole reason many of us are inactive is plainly down to the fact, what's the point? We'll spend two months playing, is there any point earning cash if the server's closing?

I would like to propose that we keep the RS4 Server online, as well as the RS5 Server, Considering it's a completely new script, they should be counted as two different SA-MP Servers.

That's just my opinion though.

[Devin]

Keep in mind not everything on the server is about making money, it's also about interacting with others and roleplaying.
But most of all having fun while playing on the server.

[Mario_Alfonso]

Keep in mind not everything on the server is about making money, it's also about interacting with others and roleplaying.
But most of all having fun while playing on the server.

That may be true, But it still narrows down to money and assets, Roleplay is a virtual life that you perform in-game, Some of us work our asses off on RS4, Alot of our Roleplay characters are based around money, the same as our RP'S, Families such as my own take part in Roleplay's so we can get rich ingame, Meaning most people do revolve around money yet use Roleplay and Interaction to get it.

[Devin]

So then why not make the most of the time you have left to play on RS4 and have a great time while doing so instead of just giving up? It makes no sense to just give up and throw it into the corner.

[Mario_Alfonso]

So then why not make the most of the time you have left to play on RS4 and have a great time while doing so instead of just giving up? It makes no sense to just give up and throw it into the corner.

Because we know that everything we work for in our Roleplay will go to waste :/

I don't see any reason RS4 Can't stay open completely.

[IMVINCIBILUL]

I tottaly agree with Mario because most of us spend years to achieve something and now,a new script is coming with a reset which will make us lose our progress achieved in that time.
RS5 is not Argo.You tried to make it more complexe but we like the classic server.
That's my point of view.

[Gandalf]

So if we keep RS4 and remvoe all accounts and assets that is ok with you?

[Mario_Alfonso]

So if we keep RS4 and remvoe all accounts and assets that is ok with you?

Actually Yes, I'm not worried about what I have earnt, I would love a reset, It's just the plain fact that this script on RS4 is one the majority of us enjoy, Some may dislike the reset, but I can almost guarantee you the inactive players would return to RS4 Giving us all an option.

this means that we would be able to start again with the RS4 Script as-well as having the option of the RS5, They are both completely different, and i just see it unfair to remove one that we all love and replace it with a new one, It's like saying to us "Either you like it or you GTFO"

[Gandalf]

So we made:
- training for cops so they do not run in and play C&R
- more possibilities for crime families
- more possibiites for civilians
- more jobs
- people can own more cars, houses, business
- some democratic possibilities

And now that we put over 70% of all ideas ever suggested you say you do not like it ?

there is nothing that stops you from playing in RS5 as you did in RS4 with the exception that we try to make less killings.

[Mario_Alfonso]

So we made:
- training for cops so they do not run in and play C&R
- more possibilities for crime families
- more possibiites for civilians
- more jobs
- people can own more cars, houses, business
- some democratic possibilities

And now that we put over 70% of all ideas ever suggested you say you do not like it ?

there is nothing that stops you from playing in RS5 as you did in RS4 with the exception that we try to make less killings.

We appreciate everything you have made, We haven't once said we don't appreciate it, From a coders point of view I can say you did a brilliant job creating such scripts.

The thing is it's all down to preference, RS4 like IMVINCIBILUL is a classic script, and I am sure you can understand that many people will find RS5 To complex and just too much, We all know RS5 Will get alot of players throughout 2014, but then what happens to those veterans who enjoy RS4 yet dislike RS5? There's hundreds of us and if Argonath is how I think it is, and the Community is the most important thing, then you'd want us all to be happy and keep RS4 Running?

Two seperate forum sections could easily be made, a category for RS4, Groups/Families/General, and a category for RS5.

If I needed to I'd even be willing to donate to keep it running if money is the problem, We just wish for RS4 To stay..

[Gandalf]

How about positive input and tell what exactly you would like to see changed in RS5 to make it good to play?
As I made the layout I can tell you exactly if what you did not like or had trouble with is designed or still to be adjusted.
Input from veterans is important and while there are some things we simply want to see how they work out in general we can still respond to it.
Together we can make it work.

[Antonio.]

I do recall you stressing to do more for crime and crime family groups, and when we do it stating we are doing it wrong.

When things like drugs being able to be sold by criminal group leaders was requested (years ago), it was pretty much ignored and not supported. Adding some things that have been requested for a long time now and then just removing everything that criminal groups have at the moment isn't really the kind of benefits we were looking for.

Until now, the only reason I've understood for a possible reset is so that "others can have a chance at getting some properties". In two years or so you're just going to reset everything again so that "everyone gets a chance"? It may seem fair to those who want these properties, but it's not fair to those who have dedicated years of work on your server and made a great impact on it. I could only imagine how bad the server would be if the current major groups weren't on the server.

[Gandalf]

When things like drugs being able to be sold by criminal group leaders was requested (years ago), it was pretty much ignored and not supported.

That is a lie. It has always been supported.

Adding some things that have been requested for a long time now and then just removing everything that criminal groups have at the moment isn't really the kind of benefits we were looking for.

What you state is incorrect. I suggest you to keep reading the 'life in RS5 series' and you will find out for yourself.

Until now, the only reason I've understood for a possible reset is so that "others can have a chance at getting some properties". In two years or so you're just going to reset everything again so that "everyone gets a chance"? It may seem fair to those who want these properties, but it's not fair to those who have dedicated years of work on your server and made a great impact on it. I could only imagine how bad the server would be if the current major groups weren't on the server.

First of all the last reset was in 2007, so we do not resetevery two years.
That some people who come in just once a month to see their name on a property will not play will not influence anything except the availability, and in return the active players and groups will be able to hold things more easily. However that is not the main reason for a reset.
The main reason is that not having a reset is all or nothing. That means we have to import all 150k accounts including those made for ban evading and multi accounting. As the account structure is very different that would be a hell of a job and mean we would have to close the server for a couple of weeks. Because while you play the data is updated so bringing it over can only be done when the server is down.

[Mario_Alfonso]

I might sound like a c*nt here but I'm not one for caring, I don't see what took RS5 so long, it's like RS4 with some upgrades and a few new mapped buildings, I don't see why RS4 just didn't get a few monthly upgrades, such as moving the RS5 police script over when that was complete, then start changing a new script such as the registration system, then add the new delivery jobs and so on, I completely do not know what took so long, everyone was all excited, and then they got onto the RS5 server it was like 'What the hell is this?' - From my experience anyway. Don't get me wrong RS5 is good, but I still don't see the need spending all that time making a completely new script when RS4 could have just been upgraded, because that's all RS5 feels like, an upgraded RS4.

Everyone hopes RS5 will change how the community roleplays, well, if anyone does roleplay that is, but it really won't, all it will do is make everyone strive to get the assets they had in RS4, cops will still kill any criminal, and criminals will still run round stealing drugs and killing cops, it's not going to change a single thing, you can say it's the players that need to change which is the thing that's constantly said, but I don't see any role models, most the time when I've seen a manager online they are either driving round crazy, sticking random objects on people, or doing some other random crap with their commands other than roleplaying, it's the people in managerial positions and so on that people look up to, and it's them that need to set the example, the personality of this community is screwed if you ask me, theres no hope.

P.S: I don't know why my input got removed.

That's mainly not your fault, Most members would see it like that, but people with experience in coding really do appreciate the time and effort this would have taken, It's advanced scripting and I can see why it took so long.

How about positive input and tell what exactly you would like to see changed in RS5 to make it good to play?
As I made the layout I can tell you exactly if what you did not like or had trouble with is designed or still to be adjusted.
Input from veterans is important and while there are some things we simply want to see how they work out in general we can still respond to it.
Together we can make it work.

I can see what you're saying, but there's still a difference, It's basically like for example..

You have an older technology, Everyone lives in that old technology, Then a new one comes out, New people will come along and enjoy the new technology, but for those who prefer the old and dislike the new, Is it fair to completely destroy the old and only leave the choice of new?

The choice we're given is a forced one, That's a reason we are unhappy, Sure, RS5 Is a brilliant server, the scripting's good, there's nothing we wish to improve, the problem is we don't enjoy playing that TYPE of server, we'd much rather play our fun, classic RS4 that has some minor updates every now and then, and allow the new argonath members to have a choice of RS4 or RS5.

[Gandalf]

You are talking about it being new, different, a different type.
And that iswhere I disagree.
There for I want you to state explicitly what it is that you dislke or find so changed about it.