Some thing need to be done.

[Teddy]

What we're saying is we'd change literally nothing in RS4; maybe just a little thing here and there but nothing else.

and many others have demanded changes. See, now we need to compromise to find the best suit for everyone. Something, you still... haven't done.

[Mario_Alfonso]

and many others have demanded changes. See, now we need to compromise to find the best suit for everyone. Something, you still... haven't done.

I believe we have? We've come here saying we believe the best thing for everyone is to have both servers opened?

Surely that's an easy option?

Those who love RS5 get RS5

Those who love RS4 guess what? they get RS4..

It actually gives us an option instead of being forced into liking something we don't :/

[Vitoo]

and many others have demanded changes. See, now we need to compromise to find the best suit for everyone. Something, you still... haven't done.

This is always gonna follow the same path - some people 'moan' for a full reset and a complete change; some people, like me for instance, 'moan' for no changes at all. For me the best solution would be hosting both server but I highly doubt that's possible.

[Teddy]

That isn't practical, we need a solution that suits all with 1 server.

[Kostas]

Let me get this straight

YOU the PLAYERS complain for changes that NEED to take place in RS4.

We, the DEVELOPERS put our time (for FREE) to make those changes YOU asked for.

We FINISH and NOW RS4 DOESNT need improvements?

Teddy has a huge point here . I have not read the whole topic but here is what I think.

RS4 is indeed a very nice script which has ran for years and therefore is now on something more than a simple script . At this point I would like to point out that Argonath is not the only SA:MP RPG server I have played on . In the past I have tried many different servers with also differend RP levels . Some were indeed much better than Argonath still at somepoints pretty overdone which turned them into borring .

I myself like the "life" I've build on the RS4 server . What do I specially like?
First of all the fact that I know almost ever single part of the script therefor I can both enjoy myself easily but also share my knowledge with the others.
Secondly I like the fact that I no longer need to actually care about money . I have been playing since 2011 , tried many things lost and won a lot of money . But now I simply got enough to almost fullfill all of my dreams , this gives me more time to focus on the good parts of Argonath . Roleplay - Groups . At this period I am pretty much open to join any group as I can give to it 100% of my IG time.
Thirdly the knowledge of some "standarts" that exist . Such as : Drug Spots , Famous Drug Dealers , Famous Police Officer - Drugs Busters , Pretty much all the HQ (both police and civilian(and criminal).) , etc.
Fourth. Good Knowledge on the forum based things which will probably kindof change (Court System , ARPD staff , etc.)

Now when we go to RS5 , I will have lost all of those comforts . I will be in a totally new script which will hopefully be better. Turning me into a newbie I will no longer be abled to easily enjoy myself on the server as it will take some time to re-learn the new commands . Taking this to the money side : I will need to work for some time to be abled to chill and relax just like I am right now . Also I will need to slowly re-learn the standarts and for sure try and find my old friends . And yeah hopefully I won't need to learn much new about the forum based things.

Let me note out that I am not totally against RS5 , as I myself am looking forward to its full release . Still I hate the fact that the activity on the SA:MP RPG Server has greatly fallen , and I do understand that this is a decision the players made still would love if a solution was found . So yeah , pretty much I am saying that I understand both sides and that both sides are right and the same time kindof abused :
1. The Scripters : Spented their time for people the practicly don't know and at the end they get told that people don't like their work.
2. The Players : Have created a life and know their way arround on the RS4 and they will now all become newbies to a "new server".

[Gandalf]

We can't, what we can say is that there is nothing else we want more than RS4, RS4 was perfect, there is no improvement or server that could compare when it comes to SA-MP in our eyes.

We cannot say, RS5's complete bollocks and we want RS4, We can say we respect RS5 yet are only interested in RS4.

You're the community owner, surely it's your job to listen to the community and make the right decision? being to keep RS4 open in our eyes.

RS4 is far from perfect. It has lag with a player count over 150. It has several exploits that are not closed. It does not have several new features of SA:MP.
So from an owner point of view it would need a lot of work.

What does it need ?
- change the account system from flat files to MySQL
- close several exploits used by hackers
- add things like drug market and other ideas long overdue

What do you get when you do that ?

RS5.

[Kostas]

This is always gonna follow the same path; some people 'moan' for a full reset and a complete chat, some people, like me for instance, 'moan' for no changes at all. For me the best solution would be hosting both server but I highly doubt that's possible.

I think splitting the players of one server into two is the worst we can do . Like it or not the most players that play in a server the most fun they have . Two people cannot have the same fun as 100 people . Why? Because from 100 people 10-20 different "scenarios"/games can happen and everyone choose which one he will join . With two people they either choose to play together the same game or to play to different ones alone .

Numbers totally count...

[Stivi]

I love RS5, yes, that buggy little mixed up server. Ya'll rich and complaining about money ? I finally got my hands into my first million, now a reset comes up. I don't give a f**k, as-long as I'll have my friends there, and not some "/em sry, buzy now, no time for RP" - yet keeps gambling. So, please, don't talk crap if you haven't seen something that finished. And I hope RS5 is more strict, as they said it would be.

Developers worked their asses off, for FREE, and they get some of you moaning. Seriously ? Instead, thank them. You haven't seen the full product yet.

[Mario_Alfonso]

RS4 is far from perfect. It has lag with a player count over 150. It has several exploits that are not closed. It does not have several new features of SA:MP.
So from an owner point of view it would need a lot of work.

What does it need ?
- change the account system from flat files to MySQL
- close several exploits used by hackers
- add things like drug market and other ideas long overdue

What do you get when you do that ?

RS5.

Within those features you listed I don't see anything such as.

Complex fireman systems.
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.

And a bunch more?

Yes, RS5 IS GOOD! But we want RS4...

[Kostas]

Within those features you listed I don't see anything such as.

Complex fireman systems.
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.

And a bunch more?

Well you actually just spoke for RS5 . Coz in most peoples minds Complex is equal to : More posibilies-more fun...

Yes, RS5 IS GOOD! But we want RS4...

[Teddy]

How can we make them easier?

Would you see the feature cut down, or more help provided? Maybe a video series introducing the features? Live streams of us explaining everything?

How can we help. We want to make this work out for everyone who wants it to work out for them. We can only help those who want the help.

[Petarda]

How can we help. We want to make this work out for everyone who wants it to work out for them. We can only help those who want the help.

A short intro before someone registers.

[Teddy]

A short intro before someone registers.

What about an optional "walk through" when a player registers, you think this'll help? It'll need to be optional, and players able to opt out.

[Stivi]

Complex fireman systems.

how the fuck you call that complex ? Only /ladder and /pager has been added. It keep firmen on their station, waiting for something, as they should do. They can also RP, CBF(?) mapped their interior, nicely, now.

Complex money systems.

You should read more.

a completely different and more complex chat.

/chatmode babe, it's there for everyone to use. And how is /city "complex"

'Complex' drug markets.

Collect drugs, sell to a group leader, prices don't change. What's bad and complex about it ?

More Complex Families and groups system.

It is just "re-structured". It will work the same way.

A more Complex police system.

Never go full retard.

List a few more, please.

[Zaila]

Within those features you listed I don't see anything such as.

Complex fireman systems.
Complex money systems.
a completely different and more complex chat.
'Complex' drug markets.
More Complex Families and groups system.
A more Complex police system.

And a bunch more?

Yes, RS5 IS GOOD! But we want RS4...

I honestly are out of words and dont know what i should write to respond to you..