Some thing need to be done.

[[Rstar]Razor]

Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.

              Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.

 It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do not want to see it fall.

 It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)

 Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
 
      Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.

 I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.


       Thanks for hearing me.

      PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.

[Exterminator]

I haven't posted till now but now i just cant resist

I'm one of the few guys who are actually gunning for a reset (Mainly because of the fact that almost anything considerable is held by a 'elite' few who bother to grace us with their presence once or twice a month[Cough' Gvardia]).The only people posting here (Players, not admins) are mostly the ones opposing the reset and rs5 overall, but i can name dozens of people from skype alone who favor it. (Comrey, Romeo, Jacob just to name a few..).

RS5 has it's ups and downs (I HATE the portion of the shooting training for example. I lagg and had to lagg shoot my way through it [Not sure if that is supposed to be simulated or i just lagg too much]. New players who dont know about it and lagg like me are screwed).

But RS5 also has it's ups. I love how the group system and drug system sounds. I got to try the group system [Next day it was randomly gone tho 0.0] but there was barely any documentation on how to use it. /grouphelp barely helped and scripters referred me to each other(Not intended as a insult to scripters). There is a clear lack of documentation for the new features and i doubt it can be solved with giant pages of /help.

To be honest, most people are either afraid of change, or to lose the giant pile of pretty looking bits. YouTube changes every year, i'm pretty sure even antonio would prefer the current UI over the original (Or even a 3 year prior one)
Though I'll admit, i'm afraid of it too. I haven't got the chance to try it out fully, but for the most part, i believe change is good. Beta != RS5, the bad parts can still be removed. We should atleast give the staff a fair chance to listen to our problems, instead of just screaming that it's bad and should be scrapped.

[Kirgiz]

I'm sorry, but people who shit on RS5 are sorta being dumb. No offense, really, but what the f**k were you thinking when there was a lot of talk about RS5 release?

Seriously, if you hate it that much, might as well this server be much better without you.

And the reset part? Best thing about this server. I could go as far as to ask reset once every 3 years.

[Gandalf]

Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.

              Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.

 It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do want to see it fall.

 It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)

 Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
 
      Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.

 I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.


       Thanks for hearing me.

      PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.

Can you be specific in what we are taking away?

What surprises me is that a fellow R* member believes that breaking rules is required for having a criminal attitude and obviously has bought in to propaganda.

I guess that while you remember the having fun part, you forgot about the respect each other.

[Rusty]

@Razor.
There isn't many changes to the police side, the major thing we have is the group system (which everyone can use) instead of having scripters add ranks and permissions we can do that all in-game now.  The whole training thing before you can become a cop is another addition but nothing major, it was bound to come even without anyone suggesting it.  The criminal side of thing's was more thought of this time round which wasn't the case in previous versions.

[[Rstar]Razor]

Can you be specific in what we are taking away?

What surprises me is that a fellow R* member believes that breaking rules is required for having a criminal attitude and obviously has bought in to propaganda.

I guess that while you remember the having fun part, you forgot about the respect each other.

Gandalf. There is no way I'm going to discuss about this with you... you have far more information avaliable to you, not to mention you are way older and smart enough to find a corner through my statements.

Well, specific in what you are taking away, well, I would be, but even in the help menu in the new script, there was plenty of help avaliable for cop commands as if you were trying to test the civilian/criminal commands you'd have to ask in the main chat.

I didn't fail to respect anyone in this topic now have I? When did I fail to respect someone?
Sorry but disagreeing and not changing my mind even after severall attempts to drill into my head that other people are wrong and you are right is not failing to respect anyone...

That's exactly the problem. Criminals are natural born rulebreakers.

[Antonio.]

I'm one of the few guys who are actually gunning for a reset (Mainly because of the fact that almost anything considerable is held by a 'elite' few who bother to grace us with their presence once or twice a month[Cough' Gvardia]).

You only see a group once or twice when you're logging in that much. Accept the fact that Ancelotti died when Romeo left and that you have no idea with what's going on, nor is anyone in Ancelotti right now able to main the status Ancelotti had a couple of years ago. Just like for others, the fact that we have the best empire in-game is a personal problem for you and you're just jealous, and no I'm not being arrogant, it's the truth considering how you and others whine about it.

[Petarda]

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How about you try to do something about your group and not just to post around forum how Gvardia is inactive and how Ancelotti should own everything. Go in game, set up a meeting and solve everything.

[Mario_Alfonso]

May i just state, I have been constantly asking if RS4 Can stay online, or atleast if someone else can open it so we can enjoy it, Many counter arguments towards me are people claiming myself and others wishing for this are worried about loosing their gear?

In case this is how you feel, I'm pretty sure on RS4 i have like 2k and a shitty car.

We don't care about the bugs, we don't care about the lack of ability to catch up with SA-MP, So long as RS4 is there for us to enjoy we are happy.

I still keep my statement that in my view it's a little selfish to completely ignore us and say, No we have RS5 here now either get used to it or go away, We dedicate a lot of our time to this server without coming to you asking for favors, those who did were those who requested RS5, And when we come along (Those who had no interest in RS5) asking for one favor, we are basically told it's a waste of time and you won't do it..

[Ted]

May i just state, I have been constantly asking if RS4 Can stay online, or atleast if someone else can open it so we can enjoy it, Many counter arguments towards me are people claiming myself and others wishing for this are worried about loosing their gear?

In case this is how you feel, I'm pretty sure on RS4 i have like 2k and a shitty car.

We don't care about the bugs, we don't care about the lack of ability to catch up with SA-MP, So long as RS4 is there for us to enjoy we are happy.

I still keep my statement that in my view it's a little selfish to completely ignore us and say, No we have RS5 here now either get used to it or go away, We dedicate a lot of our time to this server without coming to you asking for favors, those who did were those who requested RS5, And when we come along (Those who had no interest in RS5) asking for one favor, we are basically told it's a waste of time and you won't do it..

There would not be much point in keeping another server open with older scripts. It comes down to time and money.

[Plam_Knight]

Gandalf. There is no way I'm going to discuss about this with you... you have far more information avaliable to you, not to mention you are way older and smart enough to find a corner through my statements.

Well, specific in what you are taking away, well, I would be, but even in the help menu in the new script, there was plenty of help avaliable for cop commands as if you were trying to test the civilian/criminal commands you'd have to ask in the main chat.

I didn't fail to respect anyone in this topic now have I? When did I fail to respect someone?
Sorry but disagreeing and not changing my mind even after severall attempts to drill into my head that other people are wrong and you are right is not failing to respect anyone...

That's exactly the problem. Criminals are natural born rulebreakers.

But criminals indeed are natural rulebreakers. And you might say bias or ask why, but the point is the police officers have a lot more rules on their head, which means except the basic server rules, they have to follow few more(ARPD Officers) and a lot more for the SAPD Officers. Which makes the case where police officers are far too much restricted, to be allowed to rulebreak and get punished. And in case of rulebreak, we punish them with what's worse for them, time off from their favourite role(Copban).

And to be honest with this new criminal system in RS5, I see a lot less punishments for criminals either, because simply they will punish themselv if they rulebreak.(You will understand what I mean, if you read the topics Gandalf made)

[Mario_Alfonso]

There would not be much point in keeping another server open with older scripts. It comes down to time and money.

So you're saying they choose time and money over their community members?

You have a bunch of people wanting to keep RS4, And you're basically telling me they don't give a shit so long as they have RS5 and their cash? Gandalf already told me they have massive space left to host RS4 easily.

Basically, we've given so much time and much, much more towards this server, we ask for one small favor and we're told to f*** off..

[IMVINCIBILUL]

That's exactly the problem. Criminals are natural born rulebreakers.

Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.


Nothing is right here.

p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.

[Devin]

Time and money as in money to keep a server hosted. Hosting isn't free and neither is time to maintain servers.

Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.


Nothing is right here.

p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.

How about provide actual evidence to those claims so that we can do something about it instead of running around pointing fingers over a forum.

[Plam_Knight]

Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.


Nothing is right here.

p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.

Oh and you think that when a cop reports a criminal, they don't get the same answer ?
No offense but this foolish thinking of how everything is against you and what you stand for(criminals) is what keeps these arguments going for years.