Some thing need to be done.

[Devin]

What does Corleone have to do with me? So are you now going to say "OMG ADMIN HE CORLEONE HE IS AGAINST LUCIANO, ITS ALL A SETUP" and scream like a toddler? Get over it.

So are you trying to say because I was in Corleone it means I am favoured? Have you ever considered there's more than what is ticking inside your skull that is happening within the server and community? No not every change is done to harm your group.

No we the HQ members do not care about some so called conspiracy to close your group.
Hell we do not even care enough to try make some "plot" to close any group, why would we waste time to try and get "information" on a group?

[Cyril]

Since when I'm Corleone? 

[Julio.]

I might add, we all have different reasons for being inactive.

Me? I got a job, motorbike, pilots licence, and a life 

[Acika]

Since when I'm Corleone? 

Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic)

@Devin

I don't know, maybe you want to tell me who is MadBoi_Corleone ?

For example: When i come on the hill to rape Corleone and when i kill Alonso, 3 admins pop up above my head. Cyril, you and Alonso (but Alonso re-logs onto his admin account -> Midget.)

That's it, but it's not anything bad, im just pointing out how it works.

[Devin]

You should look in the mirror before pointing fingers at those deciding on your fate within this server, the ice is thin this time of year and you wouldn't want to fall through.

I have had enough of the nonsense being spewed by you tonight alone to ensure the key is lost for a very long time.

[Andy.]

How about we drop this pointless arguement. We're waay off topic.

[Acika]

I'm not here to argue with anyone. It's not my problem some of you find yourself in the things i state.

I came here to say my opinions and to say what i think that should change. I'm just saying that for the common good.

Cheers.

[Omar Aly]

"Something needs to be done" about this topic, seriously the guy asked a fuckin' question and he'll be getting noble prize for most viewed topic, post hunters go back to your games section and leave this topic alone!!

[Emre]

Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic)

@Devin

I don't know, maybe you want to tell me who is MadBoi_Corleone ?

For example: When i come on the hill to rape Corleone and when i kill Alonso, 3 admins pop up above my head. Cyril, you and Alonso (but Alonso re-logs onto his admin account -> Midget.)

That's it, but it's not anything bad, im just pointing out how it works.

are you dumb fam

[Pandalink]

I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray,

Frankly these are the two worst things about RS5. The forced jurisdiction thing will get removed from the script eventually anyway, because it's not realistic whatsoever (though it's a lovely idea in theory), and the PnS thing is just damn inconvenient and confusing for new players.

Anyway, please don't take that as me badmouthing RS5. I'm giving feedback on specific features that I think are terrible and ruin the script.

I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned

Don't worry man, I'm worried about that a lot too. I have to moderate everything I say heavily because I know my opinion is probably unwelcome.

What surprises me is that a fellow R* member believes that breaking rules is required for having a criminal attitude

What he said is true, long term criminal players can never get high up into the administration, because frankly they are not welcome. As a result, there are no criminal admins to moderate the bias of the cop ones. For awhile it was looking good, but then all of the criminal admins were kicked. Even if one accepts all of the various reasons given, the fact remains that all of the admins that were criminals were among those kicked.
This is something I hope to see rectified throughout RS5's lifespan. That's what would solve a lot of the problems.


I like the look of RS5. I can see great potential in RS5 for criminal groups, with the group system and the funded HQs and stuff, it all sounds great.
But as someone who's been here for as long as I have, I don't know if I can shake the impression that we're seen as untrustworthy and just outright bad for the server by the higher ups.

No offense but this foolish thinking of how everything is against you and what you stand for(criminals) is what keeps these arguments going for years.

It's absolutely the case and if you can't see that even after over 4 years then I'm sorry but you're damn blind, man.

Wrong, try counting again. Actively or not, they were all cops before they became admins, mostly joining WS and Rstar to get the moderator rank. You know that very well.

Dude, you can't just come right out and say that. People don't like to hear it.

A manager that is neither cop or Rstar says no aswell.

True, but in all fairness you're a good scripter. Being a dev overrides other things.


Anyway, Acika, just stop. What you're trying to point out has been said over and over again for literally years. I know this because I was one of the people talking to the brick wall - you don't get anywhere, you just turn people against you. It's not worth it, dude.
People aren't going to change, and they aren't going to be able to notice the truth in what you're saying. They never do.

[Jones]

Anyway, please don't take that as me badmouthing RS5. I'm giving feedback on specific features that I think are terrible and ruin the script.

Not even close. The feedback I've seen you give is the type that we want to see as you actually explain why rather than just bitch about it and don't offer solutions / explain why it's bad.

[Gandalf]

I said that cause that's the situation i get in daily in front of Luciano HQ. If admins asks the attackers what's the reason, they get this answer: "We're in a war".

And that is exactly what will no longer work in RS5.
If you want to have a war, it needs to have a purpose and something to fight over. Shooting others because you want to fight for nothing will be punished as DM.

[Reece]

80% admins are HR cops ( I won't even bother counting those)
18,5% admins are Corleones (Devin, Cyril, Charlie, Midget, Hyuga etc.)
1,5% others (Exception like Dellstorm, iMarkz, Murt)

You think these are facts? Alright then, lets have a little maths lesson. I will ignore your completely rubbish justifications and only go on admins current positions, not past ones (FYI iMarkz was high ranked in SAPD, Murt was a criminal, Pancher was a criminal and a cop etc...)

Division Leader
Murt - Civilian

Managers
Cutt3r - Civilian
Cyril  - Civilian
Devin - Civilian
Pancher - Low rank cop
Paul - High rank cop
Tandtrollet - Civilian
Zaila - Civilian

Administrators
Bass - High rank cop
Boozman - Civilian
Edge - Civilian
EliteTerm - Civlian
FlameMan - Low rank cop
Janek - Low rank cop
Leon_Arallian - Low rank cop
Mikro - Low rank cop
Monkey - Civlian
Plam_Knight - High rank cop
Reece - Civlian
Rusty - High rank cop
Sushi - Low rank cop
Duel - Civilian
Trane_Kiedis - High rank cop

Moderators
Charlie_Corleone - Corleone
Conroy - High rank cop
Hyuga - Civilian
Janar - Low rank cop
Jones - High rank cop
Leonardo - Low rank cop
Megamidget - High rank cop
Mike - High rank cop
Teddy - High rank cop
Pazienza - High rank cop
Slavik - Civilian
Skalleper - Criminal, not Corleone
Spikmun - Low rank cop

So;

9 Low rank cops - 25%
12 High rank cops - 33%
14 Civilians - 38%
2 Criminals - 5%

Oh dear, it looks like you were pretty darn wrong. Because even low + high rank cops together only equals 58%

Today's lesson? Do a little research before you make up random shit and call it a fact.

Were a lot of admins cops at one time or another? Yes, sure they were. Are they still? No not really. Were a lot of them high ranked? No.

Oh no 22% of the admin team are in WS! It's a conspiracy!!!!!! And FYI... a lot of people are expected into Rstar after they become admins, not before.

[Gandalf]

No Gandalf.. there where no instructions like that.... The rules are like that, of course, a /crimeban isnt really something that could be used, why don't you punish cops the admin way, instead of giving them a temporary RP punishment. I've been copbanned before. Do you know what happened? "Meh.."
A RP punishment isn't enough to get some cops on the right track.

No don't label me as a troll. I talked about cophunting, is that not in the rules?

Your distorting what I'm saying. Lustigkurre understands what I mean. Why dont you assume what I said and just tell me why you prefer issuing RP punishment to cops instead of punishing them the standard way? I mean for the cases where the cops intent is to deathmatch and not RP, or when they abuse suspect to Deathmatch or get money? And how would you know if the cops intent is deathmatch? Maybe try checking the logs on cops, instead doing like a UC manager I've seen who tought it was a rightfull use of his admin commands to state in the public chat a PM a former admin sent me. Ah, the content of this PM was "Interesting gun fight" incase you are wondering.

Very simple answer. A copban was an admin punishment long before some people started using it for RP.

As for the reason why, it is also clear. When you enter the cop role you are given weapons, which means that new players can make the mistake of using them incorrect.
On the other hand if you bought weapons you are pretty clearly using them intentionally. The command /disarm was initailly used for trigger happy people, however as cops do not suffer any monetary loss the command would not actually punish misuse of weapons, there for banning them from the cop role would be a clear warning of their fault.

You may think you are clever by reversing the order, but this is the reality of howthe command was thought of.

[Gandalf]

If you didn't notice im always talking with facts. It's a fact that you're a highranked cop (LT) and that you was in Rstar. It's a fact that you're an admin. It's a fact the most of the admins on the server are cops and it's a fact that it's natural that they will be on their own side (cops side).

It's very easy to follow rules when u're actually not playing a game, but only specing other people and shouting: "/gu or i shoot" around the map.
For sure, the ones who can understand me are the guys who actually led a criminal group for a long time and who confronted other groups of players in many different situations and who are really playing the game.

Are you aware that the current SA:MP Division Leader haas been a criminal? Now tell me again that criminals are not given any chance.