Censorship

[Gimli]

[21:15:19] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p Did you know in the real 'business world' the term developer is rather different from the term dev
[21:15:49] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p In fact, a developer has no decision making power whatsoever in the real business world - his acti
[21:16:00] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p Business stakeholders who own a particular business function.
[21:16:18] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p In fact, the lifecycle of project management gives no power of decision making to developers in th

This is not always true though Perhaps in banks and large corporations yes, but if you look at the way most tech companies/start-ups operate, you'll see very different methodologies and a lot more freedom compared to large corporations / financial institutions. E.g. Google, GitHub, Facebook, Valve...

GitHub have a culture of 0% management and work on whatever they want. http://zachholman.com/posts/scaling-github-employees/
Google have a rule in which you can spend 20% of your time on whatever you want, from which things like Gmail were born
etc

[Exterminator]

[21:15:19] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p Did you know in the real 'business world' the term developer is rather different from the term dev
[21:15:49] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p In fact, a developer has no decision making power whatsoever in the real business world - his acti
[21:16:00] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p Business stakeholders who own a particular business function.
[21:16:18] CMD -> Frank_Hawk (48) : /p In fact, the lifecycle of project management gives no power of decision making to developers in th

This is not always true though Perhaps in banks and large corporations yes, but if you look at the way most tech companies/start-ups operate, you'll see very different methodologies and a lot more freedom compared to large corporations / financial institutions. E.g. Google, GitHub, Facebook, Valve...

Not to mention people who work as freelancers (Like me <3), From my experience usually devs have a very large say in the matter, only exception are mainly the giant 'consultancy' firms who like to go strictly by the book.

[Mario_Rinna]

The poster above has not posted for nearly a month and has announced his 'leaving' in the beginning of September, which means he is obvioulsy eslewhere in a place where people fabricate all sorts of lies after being banned for their own behaviour.

He may be role-playing a dissident.

You're not banned, Frank, and you're not in GuLag; this topic wasn't removed and is still here. Doesn't sound like censorship, unfortunately.

[Gomes]

If you are talking about product-based companies like microsoft, google, github and so on, you are talking about exceptions. While it's true those companies processes are characterized by some freedom, they would never hire an IT outsourcing firm with a CMMI level 1 or 2 / no ISO certification. Most tech companies have strict and well-defined processes.


Great job pointing things out, Frank.  And remember: 28 of december is the day of revenge, war Anderson! 

[Gimli]

If you are talking about product-based companies like microsoft, google, github and so on, you are talking about exceptions. While it's true those companies processes are characterized by some freedom, they would never hire an IT outsourcing firm with a CMMI level 1 or 2 / no ISO certification. Most tech companies have strict and well-defined processes.

There are a lot of exceptions then

IT outsourcing firms are irrelevant, as we have nothing in common

[Shorty.]

In my opinion this topic is very important , as a "Normal" player..
i dont think that i'm allowed to discuss things about either developers or Admins ,which lead us to this topic , instead of banning people for flaming , why dont you just check if the admin has made anything wrong or something ?
I actually guess that admins or developers can not be blamed , you always make them in the right position , and pretend that they never make a mistake!

BUT, this server will be more entertainment when admins and developers be fair with players.

[Leon.]

In my opinion this topic is very important , as a "Normal" player..
i dont think that i'm allowed to discuss things about either developers or Admins ,which lead us to this topic , instead of banning people for flaming , why dont you just check if the admin has made anything wrong or something ?
I actually guess that admins or developers can not be blamed , you always make them in the right position , and pretend that they never make a mistake!

BUT, this server will be more entertainment when admins and developers be fair with players.

Now you've done it.

[Ben.]

As discussed ingame...

In RL, Developers (and Testers) do have a large say in projects - the introduction of various "agile" life-cycles allowed this to happen. In fact, that was a large part of the logic behind Agile.
The traditional waterfall approach appears to have many shortfalls (both the V and W Models) - mainly being that every stage should be completed before moving on i.e Requirements, Dev, Test etc...this results in a gnerally long wait between a plan being made, and anything at all being output.

Agile brings Dev and Test in as soon as possible, completing work as per roughly shaped Requirements in short sprints, incrementally (or iteratively) increasing the total output, eventually reaching a full system.
This offers flexibility to the client - changes can be easily requested before the product is fully created, which is much more appealing.

Deviated slightly, but the point is that I'm not making it up - Dev clearly get involved early in the process, and have a say in what happens...

[Duel]

People see admins not being 'fair' very BLINDLY.

If there are two players, player 1 insults player 2 over /p, and player 2 insults back, and both players get a banana, then player 1 comes and PMs the admins, "What about him? where is his punishment?" You guys MUST realise, just because you cannot see a red damn text saying this person was warned etc, does not mean nothing was done. There are more means and ways of dealing with things other than a command.

If one player is constantly rulebreaking and is of clear knowledge of the rules, then expect to be warned, but when a total new player has come into the community, and breaking those rules, then he will be obviously taught by the admin team, or spoken to, telling him what is and what is not allowed.


Just because you cannot see the punishment, does not mean nothing is done.

Why must it always be a tit-4-tat thing on the server? "i got a warning he must get one too" - That is totally immature.. I mean come on, seriously, most 12 year olds playing on the server are more well behaved than players that are actually in their 20's and late teens.

[Cyril]

In my opinion this topic is very important , as a "Normal" player..
i dont think that i'm allowed to discuss things about either developers or Admins ,which lead us to this topic , instead of banning people for flaming , why dont you just check if the admin has made anything wrong or something ?
I actually guess that admins or developers can not be blamed , you always make them in the right position , and pretend that they never make a mistake!

BUT, this server will be more entertainment when admins and developers be fair with players.

Coming from someone who is been banned since June 2013.. 

[Ben.]

Coming from someone who is been banned since June 2013.. 

There's a pattern building in this topic then 

[Gandalf]

In my opinion this topic is very important , as a "Normal" player..
i dont think that i'm allowed to discuss things about either developers or Admins ,which lead us to this topic , instead of banning people for flaming , why dont you just check if the admin has made anything wrong or something ?
I actually guess that admins or developers can not be blamed , you always make them in the right position , and pretend that they never make a mistake!

BUT, this server will be more entertainment when admins and developers be fair with players.

I think that if you would see the internal discussions you will find that we certainly do not feel everyone is free of making mistakes.
That includes my, as today I issued a forum ban by mistake and had to reverse it.

The key here is that there is a time and place for everything.
If you wish to ask about an admin handling you unfair, all you have to do is to send an e-mail with the time and date. That mail is read by 8 people, and at least three of them will check the logs within a week.
This is not some story, it is the truth of what happens.

To discuss it on forums or in game has no use, as people involved in the discussion rarely have knowledge of the situation. Just like you are banned since June but would pretend to know what is happening in game now.

[Petarda]

Coming from someone who is been banned since June 2013.. 

Haha, so funny!!

[Gandalf]

Haha, so funny!!

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[Ben.]

Last Seen Online
June 21st 2013