Why is oppression being enforced on unofficial groups?

[Huntsman]

Good afternoon everyone. I'm currently here to rise an issue to the global level which has been bothering me for years.

After seeing the topic "SAPD running the show in RS5", I have decided to open one myself, though discussing a different problem rather than spilling crap on SAPD...
The problem is that certain ARPD officials have decided to no longer allow unofficial ARPD divisions to prosper, by applying various sanctions to them and disallowing them to recruit SAPD personel. I see it as a discrimination and fear of competition, bu the fact is, that unofficial divisions do not give any competition at all. In fact, if an unofficial division is working better than the official force, the leaders of it could learn from it instead of trying to shut it down in all possible ways.

When I joined Argonath, I remember when unofficial divisions prospered and worked with SAPD like they were brothers. I, myself, have been leading Argonath Traffic Police, which has built itself a good name and focused on less important violations such as traffic, while allowing SAPD to focus on high risk operations. We cooperated with SAPD and FBI just fine. Then, when I reformed it into BCSD, it became a great group who kept cooperating with other law enforcement groups, since a lot of crimianls would escape to Bone County or Tiera, as these areas were big and it was hard to find the suspects there, our deputies would in seconds locate the suspects and help SAPD bringing them down, we also assisted LVPD, which at the time was expierencing an activity flaw. However, when ARPD officials started enforcing the ridicullous rule of no longer allowing SAPD members to join unofficial divisions, it has became a fuzz. IT was impossible to recruit any officers. There were a lot who would be interested in ARTP, bu they couldnt join, because most of them were SAPD applicants. In my opinion, SAPD shouldnt restrict unofficial divisions like that but instead, they should give them grounds to prosper so roleplay possibilites would expand and would allow people to join the division which suits their needs. Especially under RS5, where EVERYONE will become an SAPD Officer, such block is no longer needed. There are a lot of examples of great ARPD groups that were brought down by opressive manners: ARTP (recruitment hurt because of "SAPD CANT JOIN" rule), Five-O (Bringed down as it was seen as a competitor to SWAT), DEA (Even though I myself witnessed them breaching constitution, they still were a great group, focusing on something that SAPD didnt have interest in anymore, it was shut down and their leaders were arrested with no probable cause.. The reason for it was never released..), ESU (It had so much potential and recruited ARPD officers who wanted to roleplay, once again, brought down since it was seen as a competitor by SAPD).. I could go on and go on...

I really hope that respectable president of the United States of Argonath, ARPD Commissioner CBFasi and SAPD Chief Paul Hernandez will look into my concerns and hopefully they will lift such restrictions to ARPD groups.

Respectfully yours,

Alfred Monroe
EX. ARTP and BCSD leader
Resigned from unofficial groups due to restrictions.

[Gandalf]

If you look at the history you will see that we have had a couple of groups that were formed as non-SAPD division which started to compete. Without exception they started to ignore SAPD ranks and instructions, creatingtheir own system to confuse players.
Once requested to remain within the limits of a single police force, in most cases this lead to a group leaving, often with a lot of noise.
Because of this, we are not exactly fond of new attempts to create competition in law enforcement.

[Mario_Rinna]

Could you please explain why it is adequate to have more than one police force?  What are the benefits? Or maybe you could name a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and open an "unofficial police division?"

[Huntsman]

Could you please explain why it is adequate to have more than one police force?  What are the benefits? Or maybe you could name a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and open an "unofficial police division?"

Lithuania has:

Public Safety Police
Traffic Police
Criminal Investigations Police

They all are part of the police department, but they're different branches, let by different Chiefs and by one Comissioner.

Russia itself has:

DPS
VSD
GAI

Nobody's saying that the groups have to be served as official departments. Therefore why i'm using the term unofficial divisions.

If you look at the history you will see that we have had a couple of groups that were formed as non-SAPD division which started to compete. Without exception they started to ignore SAPD ranks and instructions, creatingtheir own system to confuse players.
Once requested to remain within the limits of a single police force, in most cases this lead to a group leaving, often with a lot of noise.
Because of this, we are not exactly fond of new attempts to create competition in law enforcement.

These groups would be shut down. This is the problem in Argonath - few people cause trouble - lets completely disable it instead of punishing those who did or looking for solutions to prvent that.

[Kirgiz]

Or maybe you could name a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and open an "unofficial police division?"

Lets begin with the standard mantra of this server "This isn't real life". Or maybe you could name me a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and become an officer with a gun and arresting rights?


Why an unofficial division of police force is considered as "another, unofficial police force"?

[Huntsman]

Lets begin with the standard mantra of this server "This isn't real life". Or maybe you could name me a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and become an officer with a gun and arresting rights?


Why an unofficial division of police force is considered as "another, unofficial police force"?

I guess that's how it works with ARPD... If your division becomes better than SAPD, it's competing, therefore it's shut down.. So far I never saw anyone doing anything against SAPD, yet those groups were shut down.

[Mario_Rinna]

Russia itself has:

DPS
VSD
GAI

VSD is an abbreviation for an illness. GAI was renamed to GIBDD in '98; DPS is a part of GIBDD.

Or maybe you could name me a country in which you can just walk into your local police department and become an officer with a gun and arresting rights?

Russia, Estonia, some other post-soviet countries. You and me, of all people here, know it's true. 

The problem here is not real life this or real life that.

The ARPD is an organization with clear structure. And there are certain people in charge who have the authority to open divisions. You are not one of them, but you're always free to suggest that an official division is opened; you can also get the rank required to open divisions yourself. An unofficial division is always going to have less authority than an official one, do you really need this?

[Pazienza]

I guess that's how it works with ARPD... If your division becomes better than SAPD, it's competing, therefore it's shut down.. So far I never saw anyone doing anything against SAPD, yet those groups were shut down.

You are basing your assumption on a limited view of facts; whenever a group has been shut down from the police side, there's always been a solid reason.
SAPD has never limited competition; instead we appreciate it, since it motivates each member to show his best. Your guessing was wRONg

Many players have been given the responsibility to lead official divisions lately, but that may only happen once who is in charge of the whole department is sure you got what it takes to not screw up like it happened back in the days. If you are so keen to create a new and useful division, my personal tip would be to join the SAPD and work your way up the ladder - and you'll likely be given a chance too when your time will come 

[Huntsman]

You are basing your assumption on a limited view of facts; whenever a group has been shut down from the police side, there's always been a solid reason.
SAPD has never limited competition; instead we appreciate it, since it motivates each member to show his best. Your guessing was wRONg

Many players have been given the responsibility to lead official divisions lately, but that may only happen once who is in charge of the whole department is sure you got what it takes to not screw up like it happened back in the days. If you are so keen to create a new and useful division, my personal tip would be to join the SAPD and work your way up the ladder - and you'll likely be given a chance too when your time will come 

Well that's the point. I, personally, don't want to join SAPD. And there used to be no problem with it when such sanctions were not enforced on unofficial groups. Anyone who plays here long enough would know ARTP and the roleplay it brang to the community. I was forced to close it. Why? - Recruitment not possible, since everyone is SAPD applicant and cant join.

[Mario_Rinna]

Well that's the point. I, personally, don't want to join SAPD. And there used to be no problem with it when such sanctions were not enforced on unofficial groups. Anyone who plays here long enough would know ARTP and the roleplay it brang to the community. I was forced to close it. Why? - Recruitment not possible, since everyone is SAPD applicant and cant join.

But why you don't want to join the SAPD? What's wrong with it?

[Huntsman]

But why you don't want to join the SAPD? What's wrong with it?

My character traits. I'm a person who likes to express his opinion and hates hypocracy or asslicking. Usually when I see something that is wrong in my opinion, I say that is wrong, which SAPD command always fears like devil fears the cross. Due to my stubborness, so to say, I usually get accused of "shitting" and fired, even though my opinions usually are justified and constructive.. After few cases like that, I just gave up on SAPD.

[Bundy]

If your ARTP roleplay was really so great as you mentioned, people would prefer it over SAPD. You can't blame SAPD for not allowing people to join multiple groups at once.

[Huntsman]

If your ARTP roleplay was really so great as you mentioned, people would prefer it over SAPD. You can't blame SAPD for not allowing people to join multiple groups at once.

As I told you before, there were a lot of people who wanted to join, but they couldn't , because SAPD didn't allow unofficial divisions to recruit their members or applicants.

[Mario_Rinna]

My character traits. I'm a person who likes to express his opinion and hates hypocracy or asslicking. Usually when I see something that is wrong in my opinion, I say that is wrong, which SAPD command always fears like devil fears the cross. Due to my stubborness, so to say, I usually get accused of "shitting" and fired, even though my opinions usually are justified and constructive.. After few cases like that, I just gave up on SAPD.

Lol, I am quite surprised you want to co-operate with the SAPD and not walk around killing their members. Clearly, you're not a fan. :<

Perhaps, you should start a criminal organization instead?

[Seskom]

Russia, Estonia, some other post-soviet countries. You and me, of all people here, know it's true. 

Your point is invalid.
To become a police officer in Estonia you need to complete Estonian Academy of Security Sciences.