Some Idea to Help Newcomers Learning The Rules

[Talya_taya]

Somehow this idea came up with the /giveweapon idea of mine and /getout aka /thawme commands.

I was thinking if we can do something like... /rules which will launch theirself automatically when for the first time they will be used on. And actually first I was thinking about making it GUI but since GUIs wont be healthy, we could actually use the normal chat too. It will be like when you first time register to a forum, "Do you accept terms and agreements" question...

Like:

A player registers and logins. Lots of state cars around, he gotta use them, he has no idea about what he should do, and what he shouldnt do...

The player enters to a car for the first time, he is getting frozen and the rules about car usage like: No carkill/no carram etc rules are being counted automatically; then with it at the bottom, a question appears:
"Do you accept the rules to drive a vehicle?" Commands: /yes /no
If yes, player is getting unfrozen, and he ll no more will be asked to answer this question anymore.
If no, player is getting unfrozen, getting removed from the vehicle, and whenever (s)he wants to drive a
vehicle again, (s)he ll be asked again if they accept the rules..

Same thing could be done for /buyweapon also. Or anyother thing which is/can be abused. 

Someone may not be interested or can remember where the rules will be used in /rules form, but if we give it that on the time they have to respect, it can help and lead players to read and obey to rules more.

Please share your ideas and thoughts about this, and maybe if this is a nice idea in your opinion, we can make it better with more brains working together. 
 

[Void]

The player enters to a car for the first time, he is getting frozen and the rules about car usage like: No carkill/no carram etc rules are being counted automatically; then with it at the bottom, a question appears:
"Do you accept the rules to drive a vehicle?" Commands: /yes /no
If yes, player is getting unfrozen, and he ll no more will be asked to answer this question anymore.
If no, player is getting unfrozen, getting removed from the vehicle, and whenever (s)he wants to drive a
vehicle again, (s)he ll be asked again if they accept the rules..

Same thing could be done for /buyweapon also. Or anyother thing which is/can be abused. 

Do you believe there will be anyone, not counting those who do not/refuse to speak English, that will type "/no"? Maybe one newcomer every second year. Do you believe even if he types in /yes, he will read the rules and/or respect them?

I agree that rules should be launched upon logging in and of course a sign of welcoming below, but the quoted part is borderline sadistic and unnecessary.

[Talya_taya]

Do you believe there will be anyone, not counting those who do not/refuse to speak English, that will type "/no"? Maybe one newcomer every second year. Do you believe even if he types in /yes, he will read the rules and/or respect them?

I agree that rules should be launched upon logging in and of course a sign of welcoming below, but the quoted part is borderline sadistic and unnecessary.

Today: +Why did you carkill that guy? -I didnt know that.
A day with this idea scripted: +Why did you carkill that guy? -I didnt kn... wait a min, I should have known that..   +Exactly 

[tBKwtWS]

When you get an EULA, however small. Do you read it or click yes in a annoyed fashion?
I am admin on a server where we had a system like this. We took it out again.
People were typing in mainchat /acceptrules along with foreign remarks. Clearly people were accepting them without understanding.
Later player still claimed they never agreed to the rules and asked the crew if they ever read an EULA of another service then their own.

The idea but I think it needs some work. I suggest to generate a random number, and make some different /acceprules commands. So you actualy have to read your own chat warning when you join and understand it to accept it.

[Talya_taya]

When you get an EULA, however small. Do you read it or click yes in a annoyed fashion?
I am admin on a server where we had a system like this. We took it out again.
People were typing in mainchat /acceptrules along with foreign remarks. Clearly people were accepting them without understanding.
Later player still claimed they never agreed to the rules and asked the crew if they ever read an EULA of another service then their own.

The idea but I think it needs some work. I suggest to generate a random number, and make some different /acceprules commands. So you actualy have to read your own chat warning when you join and understand it to accept it.

Im pretty sure that %95 of the players who joins to server doesnt check /rules , and actually making him accept wont let him deny that he accepted otherwise scripts wont make him be able to abuse the thing he is using... And I would definitely read an EULA which has only 4 5 lanes only, its the problem of the person that wont spend their 20 sec to read something. Since disobeying rules always make you have problems and chats taking more than 20 sec, I think also some other people other than me would read it too...

Its better to display it one time, than doing it never...

[tBKwtWS]

Its better to display it one time, than doing it never...

I totally agree. But would it not be better to act proactively and make the accept command a bit randomized?

[Void]

I totally agree. But would it not be better to act proactively and make the accept command a bit randomized?

Its better to display it one time, than doing it never...

That's why rules must be displayed on the very start, every time you log in. Accepting or declining them will change the current behavior trend very little if none.

[Talya_taya]

I totally agree. But would it not be better to act proactively and make the accept command a bit randomized?

By randomizing accept command, what do you mean, I didnt get it. Could you be more exact?

Please share your ideas and thoughts about this, and maybe if this is a nice idea in your opinion, we can make it better with more brains working together. 

Well, there is a reason I write this sentence, to find out the best form of this idea and if/when it is accepted, could give good results. 

That's why rules must be displayed on the very start, every time you log in. Accepting or declining them will change the current behavior trend very little if none.

Well, there is no such thing like that, and unless something actually freeze someone, some ppl deny to read something, [Example: Every single usage of "Freeze Command" by Administration] 

By making players accept something, also the problem "Sorry, didnt know" excuse wont be available anymore. Since someone who ignores even the server's automatic messages which aim to help that person, it is that person's problem and wont care about rules in anyway.

[Void]

By making players accept something, also the problem "Sorry, didnt know" excuse wont be available anymore. Since someone who ignores even the server's automatic messages which aim to help that person, it is that person's problem and wont care about rules in anyway.

The question should not be "Did you read the rules?" but "Why didn't you read the rules?", and that's why rules upon entering the server is something that's more appealing (and if there is a misunderstanding, there is the staff to clear them). If you wish to register and log in, you have to look at the top left corner of the monitor, and if you look at the top left corner of the monitor you will also see rules, which you can in turn read. Simply by placing your eyes/attention on that corner when logging in and seeing the rules, you are bound to respect them. No contracts, no silly bounds of treaties or accepting/declining. I hope you understand now.

[Talya_taya]

The question should not be "Did you read the rules?" but "Why didn't you read the rules?", and that's why rules upon entering the server is something that's more appealing. If you wish to register and log in, you have to look at the top left corner of the monitor, and if you look at the top left corner of the monitor you will also see rules, which you can in turn read. Simply by placing your eyes/attention on that corner when logging in and seeing the rules, you are bound to respect them. No contracts, no silly bounds of treaties or accepting/declining. I hope you understand now.

I dont say IM against to it, but there is nothing that display rules, and IM saying, rules where are used can be displayed to make sure of it. A player might still not be able to look at chat, when they get in... and I didnt get why are you against to this idea, as it will make sure, players will check them, %100... and then they can still choose to play by rules, or not to play by rules... It will be their decision, though the server displayed everything. I hope you understand me now too..

[Void]

I dont say IM against to it, but there is nothing that display rules, and IM saying, rules where are used can be displayed to make sure of it. A player might still not be able to look at chat, when they get in... and I didnt get why are you against to this idea, as it will make sure, players will check them, %100... and then they can still choose to play by rules, or not to play by rules... It will be their decision, though the server displayed everything. I hope you understand me now too..

I don't see why we need to repeat ourselves and go in circles. I understand we currently don't have rules displaying, I'm aware of it and that's what I support at the moment. I used your template and scrapped off the "/yes" and "/no" principles on the logic that a player, when he sees the rules upon entering, automatically agrees to them. For the rest, there are administrators to clear it up.

[Talya_taya]

I don't see why we need to repeat ourselves and go in circles. I understand we currently don't have rules displaying, I'm aware of it and that's what I support at the moment. I used your template and scrapped off the "/yes" and "/no" principles on the logic that a player, when he sees the rules upon entering, automatically agrees to them. For the rest, there are administrators to clear up.

You do understand that these rules and the way to accept/deny wont be showed when the player will come in for the first time, right?

[Void]

You do understand that these rules and the way to accept/deny wont be showed when the player will come in for the first time, right?

I understand and it still doesn't change anything.

[Talya_taya]

For some, it may not; but for some, it may. And there is always someone who doesnt accept something.

[Void]

For some, it may not; but for some, it may. And there is always someone who doesnt accept something.

We are not discussing "something" or particles/aspects here. Rules. A set of written lines that ensure certain equality among players. Basics/Roots that define game play and environment. For those who do not accept "something" within these rules, take it to the management or if you wish, the owners. No virtual agreements will solve this.