RS4-RS5

[Servius]

The players left not because of RS4 scripts, It's because the easy way how they get money. Everything is about money that's all, else everyone would like RS5 easily.

Not at all. Easy way how they got money? It's really stupid to say that, you're either "liking" the RS5 because you will get the admin or whatsoever faster than player who dislikes RS5 commenting on topics like this. It's really bullcrap.
Your implying is like you'd imply something where only you stand against 100 people's opinion and claim you're right.

[Devin]

Don't like the RS5? Me neither, so I left. Lead by example.

So then why are you still here if you left?

[Khm]

Not at all. Easy way how they got money? It's really stupid to say that, you're either "liking" the RS5 because you will get the admin or whatsoever faster than player who dislikes RS5 commenting on topics like this. It's really bullcrap.
Your implying is like you'd imply something where only you stand against 100 people's opinion and claim you're right.

And who actually said that i want to be admin, if you're mentioning about my application then i suggest you to see when i created it.
Who are the 100 people, show them to me, and i will show you that 99.9% of them want it back for the money.
Players wanted RS5 game-mode and there what you wanted, players suggested the most of the scripts and features, and there what they want.
When the rummer of the reset of the accounts in RS5 started, everyone raged, made topics and moaned about that, because *they lost their money and they can't make it anymore* or *im lazy i cant do that again* seriously stop begging for money, money isn't everything in the life.

[Jaka_Lah]

So then why are you still here if you left?

Do you think SAMP is the only thing in this comunity? he might just be visiting the forum like me or play MTA, GTA 4, if he left he can still be here as he is expressing that he left RS5, not the whole comunity.

[Devin]

What's the point of passing judgement on why other players leave if you class yourself as one of those that left because you don't like change?

[Servius]

whatever

[Huntsman]

What's the point of passing judgement on why other players leave if you class yourself as one of those that left because you don't like change?

As much as I support RS5, I can't do anything but respond negatively to this comment. This is what's wrong with Argonath and why I really hate it sometimes.. Argonath managment, especially the one who develops SAMP, tends to think that Argonath RPG is completely SA:MP, that everything Argonath related is SA:MP and that SA:MP is the most important of all. Few words: big - pile - of - bull... . Argonath RPG includes VC:MP, MTA:SA, IV:MP, LU, MTA:VC and soon to include Mafia II. You might say SA:MP server is the most important, but in my eyes, Argonath would be better off moving to MTA:SA and closing off SA:MP server, as MTA:SA is more advanced, has more possibilities and doesn't force players to suffer from unbearable lag and terrible sync. He could have left SA:MP, but Argonath =/=  SA:MP, SA:MP is only part of Argonath, but it is NOT ARGONATH ITSELF. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD SA:MP ADMIN TEAM, PLEASE!!

[Devin]

No single server within Argonath is better than the other in regards to being the only important server.
When I made that remark about people leaving primarily because this topic is about SA:MP and the scripts of SA:MP.

This is about SA:MP and not the other servers what's so difficult about that?

[Jaka_Lah]

No single server within Argonath is better than the other in regards to being the only important server.
When I made that remark about people leaving primarily because this topic is about SA:MP and the scripts of SA:MP.

This is about SA:MP and not the other servers what's so difficult about that?

A forum is where people can publicly express their opinion, this isn't a SAMP server.

[Cyril]

This is SA:MP Board.

[TonySforza]

A forum is where people can publicly express their opinion

People need to learn to accept criticism without felling personally offended, yeah sure, the scripters might have had a hard job, but working hard does not mean the outcome will be the best thing ever, not for everyone at least. If someone here says that he left because of RS5, that's criticism, and I'm sure he's very well in his right to do so without having people trying to kindle an arguement about it.

Regarding the "property moan" issue, this game is an old game, and most of the regulars are slightly older players that started when they were younger, that no longer have the time to build their empire as they had when this game was the hype.
So, I'm not defending anyone, I'm just saying that before bashing onto people like Antonio for example, you should all think that maybe he still wishes to play as he did in the past, with the fruits of his hard work, but no longer can because of responsibilities brought to him with age that reduce is gaming time to rebuild everything.

It's easy to label everything as a solution, wether it being calling someone greedy, or a player as a hater, but getting on a person's shoes and try and understand, that's hard, and that's why this arguement is going on and on.

[Zaila]

This is a simple BS. Ever seen people like Antonio who were one of richest in the server moan that they don't want full restart? I don't think so, and yes, there is a high percent of people who left due to RS5 only because they missed RS4 and it's scripts. Along all other players who left, I play now on the other server and I won't brag about it now. I'm just telling why people left and why they won't come back.

You're acting like that's new news.

We knew some players would leave when we introduced RS5. I also agree that it could have gone smoother between the transition between RS4 and RS5 but what shouldn't happend did happend and we had to deal with it. We know it contributed to some players leaving aswell.

Players will always leave the server for various reasons. But we are always gaining new players for various reasons aswell.

If you have left the server then fun for you. There's no need for you to come here and boast about it and try to stir up drama because of it. If you do, you will be forced to leave the forum aswell.

Lets get back on topic. I'm still waiting on the list of how RS4 is better than RS5 in 10000 ways.

[Pandalink]

RS4 functioned really well from its very beginning.

I don't mean to antagonise anyone with this, but RS3 was totally broken as f**k when it was released.
At least in RS5 you don't crash every 10 minutes, you know?

most of the regulars are slightly older players that started when they were younger, that no longer have the time to build their empire as they had when this game was the hype.

feels bad man

[Mopreme]

When you get a new cellphone, you don't immediately start saying it sucks because you don't understand it;
You take time to learn how to use the new features and learn to change the way you use the phone accordingly.

Okay, let's stick to the example with cellphones then, you brought it up yourself so you asked for it. Ever heard of the saying: Old is gold?
You see, I've had the same phone for 2+ years now, a phone that was the very first on the market with dual core. I bought a brand new phone the other month, one with qual core, used it for a month or so and sold it as it turned out my old phone was superior to the new one. Frankly, I earned a few bucks on it anyway but the point is, new stuff doesn't necessarily make things better.
The reason to this is, that this 2+ year old phone has just been improved a hell of a lot over time. I'm tell you, all the tests proved that dual core beat quad core because of these improvements. Not in benchmarks, but through usage. Benchmarks are just numbers and they mean jack. I've read the HQ saying they made RS5 to make the server more "unique" etc. etc. etc. With daily usage, this don't mean jack to the users either. So, what had been done with this old phone could have been done with RS4; been improved. What has been done here instead is completely reformed the entire thing just for the sake of doing something.

[Zaila]

RS4 functioned really well from its very beginning.

There is one flaw with this argument which makes it invalid. RS4 was built upon RS3 (and not built from scratch) and RS5 was built from scratch which will obviously make it more unstable for a period of time. RS4 also had been worked on for over 5 years (considering it was built upon RS3) which obviously makes it more stable. Still, there was loads and loads of bugs in it which most players couldn't see but HQ / developers could.

Besides, RS3 was even more broke and buggy than RS5 when it was released. If i remember correctly, RS3 had to be completly rewritten as it was so unstable as it was unplayable? Or was that RS2?