Lets get real.

[AK47]

No hate towards the developers (me myself think RS5 is ok), but why can't you just accept the fact that most people think RS5 is a big failure and therefor left the server instead of hiding behind "Oh you know, exams, they grew up", cause as said before, I have a hard time believing 100 people got exams and grew up.

[Lustigkurre]

lets hope one of those things being worked on is the random hospital spawn thing. and tab. and pns. and sprunkmachine.

[JDC]

No hate towards the developers (me myself think RS5 is ok), but why can't you just accept the fact that most people think RS5 is a big failure and therefor left the server instead of hiding behind "Oh you know, exams, they grew up", cause as said before, I have a hard time believing 100 people got exams and grew up.

And where is your substantiation for "fact"?

Apparently, you have failed to consider the following:

- GTA:SA is an old game, and not many people play it now as several years ago, despite being easy to run.
- SA:MP is in itself an old platform, with the number of servers now far below what it was several years ago.
- Argo MTA:SA has released a new gamemode that took its own player base to unprecedented heights.
- Some players left the server because their minds cannot see beyond the loss of some virtual money, or they can but are just too lazy to work for it again, and as such, do not deserve it.
- Developers had to resort to releasing RS5 ahead of schedule, instead of continuing RS4 with 4 months' worth of "reset", only to have players lose a SECOND time when they release RS5 after months of an RS4 with months of its own loss.

Read up on the facts before making false allegations.

[[ATL]Antonio]

i miss so much RS4 days

[Devin]

Discussions are underway with regards to changes for the better with regards to the players and communities response to RS5.

[Jack Rosso]

It's funny to see how people like you, JDC, and community staff thought and probably still thinks that the RS5 release was only gonna be a positive improvement and that the current player-base and community members were just gonna follow along. Even with scripts which would drasticly change the way of playing, making it much harder or even unable for some of the current players to continue with what they are doing right now on RS4 (think about all the disadvantages of criminals in RS5). It's also obvious that these scripts were implented with the intention to keep some type of players or groups away from the community, aka the DM groups. However, a script or gamemode isn't gonna change the mentality and way-of-playing for many community members. That means they'll dislike it, and leave.. and that's exactly the case right now. As predicted many people left because they are fed up with the new implentations and no longer can / may continue with the way they used to play on the server.

Now from a Administration POV, it could be great, finally you got rid of those people in the community who only wanted to DM and play Cops and Robbers on the server. Sadly enough that's the majority of the playerbase, which again caused the current mass-loss of players (they cannot longer do it on RS5). I guess the staff wanted quality over quantity, but does a new player want so aswell? Will a low playerbase just keep away new players and members of the community? Why would someone join a server with 15 people online? Especially with the current other roleplay communities which are massively visited, it appears Argonath might even dissapear in the big mass of less-visited RP servers, which are thousands and thousands today in the SAMP community. Again most of the players / staff expected RS5 to be a great release with only major improvements, but will it be with such little players around? Will these advanced new scripts actually get a good use with the amount of players the server will have? Will Argonath slowly fade away and eventually die due to the lack of interest by (former) players? These are questions which you can now call realistic, as everyone sees its taking place.. Argonath loses and loses players.

You can keep on defending Argonath JDC, saying it won't die, but the player count doesn't lie, the many voices and opinons which are spread on the forum by the many community members who complained are not just to be seen as moaning and ignored. Thats exactly your way to do so, but believe me it won't improve Argonath. People are complaining for a reason, and knowing argonath staff it will take a long period of time before changes are made.. and that exactly fits the conservative style you wish to stick to JDC, so yeah you do have something to defend here.. the majority of the community members do not agree so, it appears.

[Mopreme]

I do wonder how much the player count will increase if RS4 would arrive, with a full reset. That reset is one of the few things that was brilliant with RS5. The number of players will for sure increase, but apparently that doesn't matter anymore since the stubbornness with the belief of RS5 being the future is too high. RS5 can easily be the future by its presence you know, but obviously that does not mean it will be any better than the past (RS4).
We know that the future of the server is in your hands but keep in mind; you determine the greatness of it as well. Quite frankly, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the path the server is on now isn't exactly moving it towards the upper scale of excellency

[Jack Rosso]

I do wonder how much the player count will increase if RS4 would arrive, with a full reset. That reset is one of the few things that was brilliant with RS5. The number of players will for sure increase, but apparently that doesn't matter anymore since the stubbornness with the belief of RS5 being the future is too high. RS5 can easily be the future by its presence you know, but obviously that does not mean it will be any better than the past (RS4).
We know that the future of the server is in your hands but keep in mind; you determine the greatness of it as well. Quite frankly, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the path the server is on now isn't exactly moving it towards the upper scale of excellency

For some it's still to much of a big deal to agree and work out another solution.

[Acika]

Instead to lie to urself when you say that the server player-base is growing when it's actually lowering, listen to Jack Rosso.


PS: I will never understand how SA:MP wasnt an old game 2 months ago before RS5 got released, but 1 month later with it's official release its an old game

[Gandalf]

As already mentioned, the player count dropping is not what we worry about.

[Jack Rosso]

As already mentioned, the player count dropping is not what we worry about.

It is what keeps the other players away who might've been even a bit interested in RS5, because without a decent playercount they see no reason to join the game, afterall theres literally nothing going on. From the community leadership POV there might be no issue, afterall you got your server the latest updated scripts.. the gaming experience for the current community members? That is a issue, as obviously it has been adressed by many in the many topics which have been posted throughout the last months.

Atleast you lost your DMer-group problem right ?

[Lustigkurre]

For how long will you wait before you get worried about the player count?

[Mopreme]

If I may ask.. Since there have been so many discussions which are yet alive about RS5, what is the purpose of these discussions? To convince you, that RS4 is in fact superior to RS5 and that RS5 was a total failure? Well, both player count and comments reflects that. 90% of those saying that RS4 was better were daily players in RS4. The other 10% who find RS5 better, are mostly admins, retired staff members or people who left the server ages ago, all whom you can't really call real users. Of course, it is up to you who you chose to listen to.
But let's say if, at some time, you are convinced that RS5 is a failure, I assume you will shut down Argo SAMP completely instead of bringing RS4 back as you will, in your own words, "move towards other projects"?

[KhornateMonkey]

Lets just make it clear that many other Argonath servers are booming (an example of this would be the GTA IV server, which is the most popular server on IV:MP right now reaching the player limit everyday). Yes, SA:MP may have lost a considerable amount of players from RS5, but that does not mean the death of Argonath which many of you are talking like it is.

[Mopreme]

Lets just make it clear that many other Argonath servers are booming (an example of this would be the GTA IV server, which is the most popular server on IV:MP right now reaching the player limit everyday). Yes, SA:MP may have lost a considerable amount of players from RS5, but that does not mean the death of Argonath which many of you are talking like it is.

That is good for IV:MP, great job there.
We can quickly agree, Argo is not dieng, but the server on SA:MP does seem like it will if it stays in this condition. However, it can be saved, if only mistakes are to be recognized.
Question remains if the upper crew allows it to die or if they are willing to save it.

Edit: For details, refer to the post below by Jack Rosso.