Lets get real.

[jannik852]

Uhu, I guess the administration headbanged aswell. When they warned me for over 60 percent for 'advertising drugs' for having an avatar that included the text "smoke weed", I mean noooo it is not like it is advertised all the way through drug dealing, in the RS scripts. And they even have a weed emoticon on forums   
Ye GG, just saying "lets get real".

[Ted]

How come every known server I know of still have around +400 players and we lost almost all players because the game "turned old" over a month (which included the loss of RS4 and launch of RS5)?

Stop being so god damn stubborn.

Many a SA-MP server have died recently and over the years. One of those were quite popular at one point an RPG server I take a look at that server now? 2 players currently online. The amount of players over time has been dropping 2009/2010 we were topping 150 - 180. Start of 2013 around 80.

[Jack Rosso]

Yeah, indeed looks like great entertainment, however good luck trying to make a video like that in the current state of Argonath RPG SA:MP. (Atleast they got the ability to add bots to SA:MP servers these days )

[Rusty]

Are those who aren't playing online anymore because;

A reset happened which resulted in loss of possessions plus you feel mis-treated for the way RS5 came about? (would have been inevitable anyway)
The server currently is still in need of bug fixing and you are waiting till the game-breaking bugs are patched?
You feel RS5 didn't live up to expectations in terms of taking Argonath to a whole new level but keeping simplicity?
You just all around dislike RS5 without even bothering to give it a shot?
None of the above, if so state your reason.

SA:MP server may have changed for better for worse, fact is some alot of us here have been playing for year's and all of a sudden a script change come's along and we're up in arms about how it's done more harm than good.  Ranting on the forums about the current state isn't going to change anything, the community needs to bond together and do something to make change happen.

[Jack Rosso]

What are gonna do? Try to re-script RS4? I think discussing these matters over a topic like this actually does change a lot, especially the view of the members of our community. Over the last pages I myself have pointed out many reasons why RS5 does not fit Argonath, and Argonath doesn't fit RS5.. Looking at the responses, i seem to actually have quite some people agreeing with me.. Being able to voice your opinion in a topic is one of the most important things of a community, because a community does not exist only out of the view from leadership (Funny we got a Argonath vision for that, infact) - it exists out of all the members who are apart of this community, no matter which server or character they're playing on.

Why did people leave RS5?

It's funny to see how people like you, JDC, and community staff thought and probably still thinks that the RS5 release was only gonna be a positive improvement and that the current player-base and community members were just gonna follow along. Even with scripts which would drasticly change the way of playing, making it much harder or even unable for some of the current players to continue with what they are doing right now on RS4 (think about all the disadvantages of criminals in RS5). It's also obvious that these scripts were implented with the intention to keep some type of players or groups away from the community, aka the DM groups. However, a script or gamemode isn't gonna change the mentality and way-of-playing for many community members. That means they'll dislike it, and leave.. and that's exactly the case right now. As predicted many people left because they are fed up with the new implentations and no longer can / may continue with the way they used to play on the server for years.

[SugarD]

Yeah, indeed looks like great entertainment, however good luck trying to make a video like that in the current state of Argonath RPG SA:MP. (Atleast they got the ability to add bots to SA:MP servers these days )

Just found one already!

[Jack Rosso]

Just found one already!

I appreciate you pointing out that you're really ignorant, I dont even need to prove it, you're doing it yourself. Cannot win an argument so just blows it off with a ''funny'' YouTube video. I think you've pretty much shown the whole community now you're not able to properly discuss a matter, again thanks for proving that.

[SugarD]

I appreciate you pointing out that you're really ignorant, I dont even need to prove it, you're doing it yourself. Cannot win an argument so just blows it off with a ''funny'' YouTube video. I think you've pretty much shown the whole community now you're not able to properly discuss a matter, again thanks for proving that.

Actually I just prefer to have positive conversations instead of ****ting on the community, but that is just me.

[Jack Rosso]

In that case this probably isn't the right topic for you looking at your last couple of posts. Sure you can point out all the positive things about RS5, thats not a problem at all, infact its what the topic is about. Its also about the negative side, we're here to share our opinion to discuss how we feel about RS5.

All you're doing currently is spamming random non-related video's, theres a different board for that. (You should especially know that as a board moderator).

[TheRock]

As already mentioned, the player count dropping is not what we worry about.

Sorry to the break up the party here Gandalf, however how do you really expect for the players to keep supporting the community when the community does not support the actual players? You said that most new things from RS5 (aka ideas) and scripts were on your own request. Well for once, why don't you look out after players request? SA:MP Ideas forum is there, but barely is there anything going through because of the 'JUST RP IT', well.. Surely we can roleplay, everyone can.. I did not say change the server to Freeroam because there are a thousand, I know of the vision.. I know that we try to keep away from the rest servers, but really.. It's sad to see this going on for long.. I am not of those who care about virtual money or possesions, but seeing as majority of the community wants RS4 back, why don't you make a public poll for every user to add in his choice? Surely, RS5 is new and needs few things fixed, but as you see most of the people do not get along with it.. I haven't popped in game since RS4 was on, though I've seen RS5 couple of times when it was beta for admins and later public one.. and I am sure I'll have a hard time to get used to it (But I wont go against it, because I like exploring new things..)

I am not in anyway trying to go against your views or choices, but I believe it's the time you, the HQ should consider your players too?..

[KhornateMonkey]

Actually I just prefer to have positive conversations instead of ****ting on the community, but that is just me.

I've seen no shitting from Jack

[Jack Rosso]

Totally agree with you Rock, the community members all have their own opinion and have the ability to voice it in a topic such as these, its a right everyone should make use of as it's of great importance.

[=AV=Rob]

Actually I just prefer to have positive conversations instead of ****ting on the community, but that is just me.

Maybe you should arrest him.

[Pandalink]

Actually I just prefer to have positive conversations instead of ****ting on the community, but that is just me.

If you prefer to have positive conversations then why are you so aggressive and negative to everybody on the forum?

[TonySforza]

Lets just make it clear that many other Argonath servers are booming (an example of this would be the GTA IV server, which is the most popular server on IV:MP right now reaching the player limit everyday).

Thank you for informing me, gotta try it later on.