Lets get real.

[eymas]

My view on this:
The problem does not lie in the server nor the script, there; I said what you expected me to.

Why? The players are free to make their choice, If they leave/left the server then it's either:
1. They lost their assets/money, and do not wish to gain it back.
2. They dislike the new features/systems.
3. RS5 did not meet their expectations.
4. They moved on to another server
5. They gained a job/educational course.
6. Banned(Depending on the ban of course)

Those points are the most common reasons about why players left, in no way can you blame RS5 nor the administration team since we have done nothing wrong.


Despite that, we do listen. Most people enjoyed RS4 due to various reasons; the simplicity and their assets for instance.
However, eventually we do need to move on; and as time passes, new features, new developments and new opportunities arise to make use of, to incorporate all the new features an update would have to be made.
As such, RS5 was made.

People who still wish to have RS4 back had received a message from Gandalf explaining how they can get it back; By either donating $400 and having the server up for one week with the playercount at 200; the cap. An alternative to this was to rewrite it yourself; but you saw what that led to.


TL;DR edition; The players who left did it out of their own, no one cannot be blamed for it and neither can you blame the server/us for it since we have not done anything wrong. If you wish to raise an objection you can do this by presenting evidence to support your claim. RS4 will not return either; unless you accept the conditions Gandalf had made.

STL;DR:* RS5's not the problem, Those who left did it out of themselves.
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[Mikal]

You can't follow the rules.. that's why you're banned. We want quality members in our community. How you're still here is honestly beyond me. But you do bring up a somewhat decent point in saying:

I can follow rules, I just can't be made to shut up by administration when I feel I'm making valid points.

this is true, RS5 isn't what everyone expected because everyone expected something different. We had the lid sealed quite well on RS5. While also speaking not everyone is going to enjoy every part; most of the people complaining hardly even played or took any effort to learn. I'll be honest I only worked on one part of RS5 and I didn't know/understand the rest of it at first. I don't like all of it myself; we were told to write something a certain way and there was no if, ands, or buts. Obviously some disagreements would take place.

Well maybe thats the problem, sounds like RS5 had no community input.

Except for you Mikal, you can go off somewhere else.

No no, fairly sure I'll be back in May, unless I decide to remove all traces of myself and start over, in which case I wouldn't be able to say hi to you in-game Teddy.

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Ugh, too big to read.

[JDC]

I've seen you in-game so many times as well, man!

Not sure about that, but now I've earned enough to fulfill my dream of buying 30 mountain bikes.


Leon (eymas) and Teddy summed it up pretty much nicely.

Most of these people who are moaning about the loss of RS4 are forgetting that the devs also chose to release RS5 as a measure to ensure that players lose assets only once, instead of losing twice. As the servers were wiped of 4 months' of information, players would be playing with 4 months' loss, only to be swamped again with another loss when RS5 was "fully" released.

Ingratitude is prevalent, sadly.

I can follow rules, I just can't be made to shut up by administration when I feel I'm making valid points.

Sometimes, your judgment on "valid rules" is exactly the reason why you can't follow rules. You've put yourself in the same class as Monte.

[Teddy]

I can follow rules,

well...

I just can't be made to shut up by administration when I feel I'm making valid points.

Clearly you don't know the rules then. You don't argue with admins; if they tell you to do something you do it. If you feel its wrong; you do it anyways and report it to samp@argona.....

Well maybe thats the problem, sounds like RS5 had no community input.

RS5 is based mostly on user input; doesn't mean we agree with ALL the input that was selected

No no, fairly sure I'll be back in May, unless I decide to remove all traces of myself and start over, in which case I wouldn't be able to say hi to you in-game Teddy.

Hopefully you're learn.

[Mr. Goobii]

People are NOT here because RS5 is not finished. It lack a lot of required gameplay. We cannot even buy buildings yet nor vehicles.. !

If groups cannot buy things, they wont be active. If people cannot be in groups, people will not be active!

GROUPS = PLAYERS.

[Stivi]

Well if RS5 is the problem what is the point in keeping it?

It's not and by a bit* of help from the community, the devs can improve it.

And you're in a mafia?

What I was trying to point out was: There's no money circulation for the mafias now, so drugs are a choice, other one is fireman.

If groups cannot buy things, they wont be active. If people cannot be in groups, people will not be active!

GROUPS = PLAYERS.

[Mikal]

Not sure about that, but now I've earned enough to fulfill my dream of buying 30 mountain bikes.

Must have one big ass if you need to sit on 30 mountain bikes when you ride.

Most of these people who are moaning about the loss of RS4 are forgetting that the devs also chose to release RS5 as a measure to ensure that players lose assets only once, instead of losing twice. As the servers were wiped of 4 months' of information, players would be playing with 4 months' loss, only to be swamped again with another loss when RS5 was "fully" released.

Not if there is never an RS5 but an RS4.1..

Sometimes, your judgment on "valid rules" is exactly the reason why you can't follow rules. You've put yourself in the same class as Monte.

Thats just your opinion, and what 'class' am I in now?

Clearly you don't know the rules then. You don't argue with admins; if they tell you to do something you do it. If you feel its wrong; you do it anyways and report it to samp@argona.....

Or maybe the admins I argue with should accept the fact that I'm right and be silenced so that the argument doesn't have to continue and everyone can play in peace? Besides, I love a good argument.

RS5 is based mostly on user input; doesn't mean we agree with ALL the input that was selected

Please name the things in RS5 that were player suggested, the only thing I can think of is the police training course, which RS4 should have had.

Hopefully you're learn.

Hopefully no admins will start an argument with me..

[Lustigkurre]

5. They gained a job/educational course.

Ha! these kind of opinions are funny.
"oh crap, RS4 is gone, well, im finally gonna get a job now, cause argonath was what was stopping me earlier."

Argonath losing players has nothing to do with their private life.

[Stivi]

Please name the things in RS5 that were player suggested, the only thing I can think of is the police training course, which RS4 should have had.

Here's what I know:

SAPD Test
Mechanics
Infinite cars
Infinite properties
Ability to store things in trunks - /container
Trucker job
Disabling /p
/cbmission !!
To be updated.

[Devin]

I can not be bothered to get into a back and forth argument as most of the time nothing productive is created.

To those that are willing to put up with the issues and help find the issues while also listing then, we appreciate the time you have put in to helping with RS5.

To those that walked off because they don't like a server that isn't completely finished or because they didn't get something from a server which is still in development and instead decide to duck, good on you.

It shows the difference between those that care about helping and others that are just here to sit around doing nothing productive.
Those that actually bother helping will have the favor returned in one way or another in due time.

[Lustigkurre]

Here's what I know:

SAPD Test
Mechanics
Infinite cars
Infinite properties
Ability to store things in trunks - /container
To be updated.

These are kinda small things and they are not the ones causing "moaning". They are actually good.
Now, spawningsystem, moneysystem, copsystem are things that has been totally changed to its worse according to many of us.

Lets wait for the update to come and hope that these things has been worked on.

[Rusty]

Cop system hasn't changed dramatically, the only large add-on was the jurisdictions which for some isn't a issue as they don't play as cops do it doesn't effect them.  SAPD have provided a possible solution to change the system so allows the player to choose rather than the script assigning you automatically.  As for other cop features easily worked with.

More money making options are needed as there is limited choice, that is where players should be suggesting ideas.
Spawning is fine, got used to it mainly on duty anyway so I can spawn back at any Police Department.  Be glad Argonath didn't adopt a waiting time to re-spawn, you'd have a reason to be upset about it then.

[Lustigkurre]

SAPD have provided a possible solution to change the system so allows the player to choose rather than the script assigning you automatically.

Good

Spawning is fine, got used to it mainly on duty anyway so I can spawn back at any Police Department.  Be glad Argonath didn't adopt a waiting time to re-spawn, you'd have a reason to be upset about it then.

No, spawning is fine according to you and a few other admins. But the rest of us are agreeing on that its not fine and we want AT LEAST to spawn at closest hospital and not at random hospitals all over the map. Is it supposed that we are going to populate other towns by this or what is it for? Anyway, there's a topic about it with a poll where you can see what the players want.

[Stivi]

I want cops in sf as well, it's boring. As for the hospitals, I agree with you..

[Sawyer]

I keep seeing the same story. "Provide solutions.. Not willing to help.. Keep moaning". Is this the answer from you people to the players who feel free to say their own opinions?

And no, I'm not going to start all over again and help the server build up again since the server itself does not help me to do so. Consider our insistence as a way to show that we care about the server.