Lets get real.

[eymas]

And no, I'm not going to start all over again and help the server build up again since the server itself does not help me to do so. Consider our insistence as a way to show that we care about the server.

That quote shows you do not want to contribute at all unless it gets handed to you on a silver platter. It shows that you are lazy rather than caring.

[Mr. Goobii]

People are NOT here because RS5 is not finished. It lack a lot of required gameplay. We cannot even buy buildings yet nor vehicles.. !

If groups cannot buy things, they wont be active. If people cannot be in groups, people will not be active!

GROUPS = PLAYERS.

Groups has always been important for new servers. To get mafioso running and local gangs that rule the city. When these abilities comes in game, you will see the server smocked with people!

[AK47]

Groups has always been important for new servers. To get mafioso running and local gangs that rule the city. When these abilities comes in game, you will see the server smocked with people!

Don't forget about us, the peacefull farmers! 

[Devin]

Don't forget about us, the peacefull farmers! 

Peaceful is not the word I would associate with Svensson farmers. 

[Lustigkurre]

I think he meant pissfull

svensson are dmers and we cant rp 

[eymas]

Peaceful is not the word I would associate with Svensson farmers. 

I would, with the "All but" prefix.

[Sawyer]

That quote shows you do not want to contribute at all unless it gets handed to you on a silver platter. It shows that you are lazy rather than caring.

I would be having no fun starting with $5,000. I've been through the money making already. How clear can that get..

[Stivi]

I would be having no fun starting with $5,000. I've been through the money making already. How clear can that get..

Could you define "care" for me, as I fail to understand how you played/tested/explored RS5.

[JDC]

I would be having no fun starting with $5,000. I've been through the money making already. How clear can that get..

So has every RS5 player who has been in RS4 and earlier, but unlike you we're actually working to take advantage of the new opportunities, and some of us have houses already.

Groups has always been important for new servers. To get mafioso running and local gangs that rule the city. When these abilities comes in game, you will see the server smocked with people!

The irony is that when I am on cop duty, I can see the simple "DMer gangs" who just use a gangsta skin and copbait cops half of the day while pretending not to the other half, as being more "criminals" than these "veteran mobsters" who complain on the forum when they have not played in RS5.

We have these groups of self-proclaimed criminal veterans and such who are demanding for their HQ and assets to be set, when they themselves are not ingame. From all angles, it is more logical for the HQ to leave those unowned and let the new gangs take over, rather than to give assets to players who are not even here contributing to the server. Maybe perhaps these old groups would actually get what they wanted if they made a group effort to contribute, no?

Remember, opportunities and promises from the HQ are a two-way street. In exchange for a reward, there has to be some effort.

[Mr. Goobii]

The irony is that when I am on cop duty, I can see the simple "DMer gangs" who just use a gangsta skin and copbait cops half of the day while pretending not to the other half, as being more "criminals" than these "veteran mobsters" who complain on the forum when they have not played in RS5.

We have these groups of self-proclaimed criminal veterans and such who are demanding for their HQ and assets to be set, when they themselves are not ingame. From all angles, it is more logical for the HQ to leave those unowned and let the new gangs take over, rather than to give assets to players who are not even here contributing to the server. Maybe perhaps these old groups would actually get what they wanted if they made a group effort to contribute, no?

Remember, opportunities and promises from the HQ are a two-way street. In exchange for a reward, there has to be some effort.

I'd say, don't care about those groups we had in RS4, there is a new era now. But still we need to have a functional script that can offer new groups to be established. Therefor the RS5 need to be working in a such matter that it can give these new groups that functionality.

Groups that once were in RS4 should work as much as these new that presumably getting up soon enough when the server is ready for it.

[Mario_Rinna]

How about some solutions instead of problems?

Anybody wish to contribute?

Proposed solutions to address the issues above:

-   Frequent but proportionate economic stimulus
-   Funding to official and key unofficial groups to spur recruitment activity
-   Assessing the removal and reintroduction of functionality from RS4

-   Use latest available backups of RS4 to bring back people's beloved stuff they seem to care about very much.

Given the circumstances, this seems like a decent option.

[Aca]

Peaceful is not the word I would associate with Svensson farmers. 

pwnd

[SugarD]

I keep seeing the same story. "Provide solutions.. Not willing to help.. Keep moaning". Is this the answer from you people to the players who feel free to say their own opinions?

And no, I'm not going to start all over again and help the server build up again since the server itself does not help me to do so. Consider our insistence as a way to show that we care about the server.

So far I've yet to see actual specific suggestions that say how to solve these issues everyone is moaning about. Instead, all I see is more moaning and people demanding change...but without saying how.

-   Use latest available backups of RS4 to bring back people's beloved stuff they seem to care about very much.
Given the circumstances, this seems like a decent option.

That is four months or so behind the actual outage of SA:MP RS4 itself. You're talking about outdated information that will put newer players at a huge disadvantage, and will just lead to more regulars moaning about how they want their stuff they earned after that back. Then you'll also get those who will complain about losing their RS5 data. That doesn't seem very decent at all. That is why SA:MP RS5 was rushed to begin with...

[AK47]

RS5 sucks according to the 100 players that left - end of story.

[Khm]

RS5 sucks according to the 100 players that left - end of story.

I left but not because of RS5, it's because of my studies.