Lets get real.

[Slavik]

You don't see many players in game? Log in anyway and do your thing! If everyone keeps this mentality, you will soon find Argonath with its former glory.

Well said, agree with you.

[SugarD]

You don't see many players in game? Log in anyway and do your thing!

This. People did it today, and the server went from 12 people to 60+.

[Jaka_Lah]

This. People did it today, and the server went from 12 people to 60+.

and it crashed and went to 28..

[SugarD]

and it crashed and went to 28..

When it crashes, less people always return.

[MikeSangelo]

and it crashed and went to 28..

I don't recall seeing you in-game.

After the crash, we only lost about 10 players, boo hoo.

[Jaka_Lah]

I don't recall seeing you in-game.

After the crash, we only lost about 10 players, boo hoo.

Ever heard of a thing called SAMP client, it allows you to see the player count .. and woah you won't believe it.. you use it to launch GTA_SA.exe modified to launch into a multiplayer server. I mean does it matter if you've seen me? and now there are 3 people online.. so yeah.

When it crashes, less people always return.

There is just a feeling of disappointment when a piece of technology crashes, I understand it, as I didn't return either. But I do want to know why it happened, as the moment when we reached some sort of success it just turned into dust again. I thought we were over DDoSing.. I'm so tired of children thinking they're fucking hacking geniuses when they DDoS a server, everyone can use google, it just.. I hope it was the server that fucked up, not another scumbag again.

[Rusty]

Player count is gone, so what we're still a community.
We had one surge of massive activity in-game, sure the SAPD Meeting along with Gandalf and his merry band of sheep appeared contributed to that fact, it still remains that the server was still fairly active for hours afterwards. 

Groups may have made up a fairly large portion of the activity, they have their own reason to not join RS5 and it's easily seen why.  SAPD had a chance to voice ideas and improve on Police features in RS5 (some of which got added/working on), now it's only fair groups were given the same courtesy.  Either through ARUN or a public topic within the RS5 board.

[Pandalink]

There is your mistake. You wish to misuse an existing system to get money you think you need to have fun, instead of just roleplaying it all out and having a good time doing the same, exact thing you wanted to do.

Money doesn't fall from the sky off the wings of angels, you need to actually go and get it.
This has been true for every single gamemode.

They are there to give a monetary incentive for roleplays that are successful, yes, but not just so you can walk up, accept the challenge, and walk away rich. That is not the point as to why they exist.

Given the way it's currently implemented - yes, actually it is.

Then they can do it properly. There is no need to abuse anything just to "jumpstart the server". They could easily roleplay out the scenarios like they are supposed to while earning the money.

No they couldn't, that's just totally outright incorrect. As I said above, money doesn't just fall from the fucking sky, you have to go and actually earn it, and then you can spend it on roleplay.

This was my exact argument for not resetting RS2 back in summer 2007. I said that at the start of RS3 everyone would roleplay less and just scrounge for money until they had enough to be comfortable to waste it (so a house, business, cars and over a million basically).
And oh shit, hey - look what happened in 2008. Exactly what I fucking said.

The same is happening now. If you want to "roleplay to earn money" (enough money to actually buy anything) then come back in 2015 when people have cash to spend.

Noone will give you cash for RPing, because noone has the cash to give you.

* SugarD hands Acika $20.

Oh damn, now he's ~0.006% on the way to buying a house! Only 15 thousand more $20 payments to earn!

Most people do. The sad part is that none of them wish to even try opening their eyes.

I don't think you understood his point. Like, at all.

[SugarD]

...now there are 3 people online.. so yeah.
There is just a feeling of disappointment when a piece of technology crashes, I understand it, as I didn't return either. But I do want to know why it happened...

There are 6 now.
Zaila accidentally broke something fixing a couple bugs and crashed the server. He apologized in the public chat after.

Money doesn't fall from the sky off the wings of angels, you need to actually go and get it.
This has been true for every single gamemode.
Given the way it's currently implemented - yes, actually it is.
No they couldn't, that's just totally outright incorrect. As I said above, money doesn't just fall from the f**king sky, you have to go and actually earn it, and then you can spend it on roleplay.

This was my exact argument for not resetting RS2 back in summer 2007. I said that at the start of RS3 everyone would roleplay less and just scrounge for money until they had enough to be comfortable to waste it (so a house, business, cars and over a million basically).
And oh shit, hey - look what happened in 2008. Exactly what I f**king said.

The same is happening now. If you want to "roleplay to earn money" (enough money to actually buy anything) then come back in 2015 when people have cash to spend.
Oh damn, now he's ~0.006% on the way to buying a house! Only 15 thousand more $20 payments to earn!
I don't think you understood his point. Like, at all.

1. You can still easily roleplay it.
2. No, it isn't. Just because people misuse it that way does not meant it was designed for that purpose.
3. Yes, they could. You don't need to completely ignore the roleplay in order to get the money. Roleplay out the scenario and earn the money as you go...like it was built for to begin with.
If players misuse things until money is common, then that is a player problem, not a script one.
4.

* SugarD gives Acika $100,000.

5. I did.

[CharlieKasper]

Yes, at one point after the crash, for a few seconds, the count was 28. In a minute or two it went back 50+ players.. Its what usually happens after a crash.

P.S. If it matters, I have been given 25,000 dollars for just pure roleplay, nothing but pure roleplay. The other guy had to gain nothing permanent. It was all for the fun of being a criminal.

[Mikal]

It's funny that all the big groups who are supposed to influence RP left when they lost their ammunations and such, just shows how they cared more about money than roleplay, the server is pretty stumped IMO, if you get the big groups back you get a bunch of money hungrys who don't RP, yes I'm talking about Gvardia, Ancelotti, Corleone, you know those big 'official' groups, the fact that they all bailed when they lost assets shows that they should never have had official status in the first place.

 

[Harry]

It's funny that all the big groups who are supposed to influence RP left when they lost their ammunations and such, just shows how they cared more about money than roleplay, the server is pretty stumped IMO, if you get the big groups back you get a bunch of money hungrys who don't RP, yes I'm talking about Gvardia, Ancelotti, Corleone, you know those big 'official' groups, the fact that they all bailed when they lost assets shows that they should never have had official status in the first place.

 

You might want to remove Ancelotti from your list. We are role-playing every time we can.

None of us bailed when we lost our assets. Ancelotti actually gained members once RS5 came out. Yet I have seen you in-game, roleplaying.

Oh yeah, because you are banned till May.

[Mikal]

You might want to remove Ancelotti from your list. We are role-playing every time we can.

None of us bailed when we lost our assets. Ancelotti actually gained members once RS5 came out. Yet I have seen you in-game, roleplaying.

Ok well sorry if Ancelotti has been RPing in RS5, but for the benefit of other peoples opinions I won't remove it from the list, and if you haven't seen me in-game RPing thats because I'm banned until May for arguing with administration, if thats what you mean to imply.

[JDC]

Ok well sorry if Ancelotti has been RPing in RS5, but for the benefit of other peoples opinions I won't remove it from the list, and if you haven't seen me in-game RPing thats because I'm banned until May for arguing with administration, if thats what you mean to imply.

Aside from SAPD and the Clans, Ancelotti, Sforza, and Svensson are the three factions I've seen pitching in during RS5. They didn't bail.

[Stivi]

Aside from SAPD and the Clans, Ancelotti, Sforza, and Svensson are the three factions I've seen pitching in during RS5. They didn't bail.

wut 'bout skoto man ?