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Reply #30 on: January 12, 2014, 08:00:09 pm
Check history and you will see that all Semite people living there have equal rights to live together in the territory, regardless of which imaginary friend they have or which book of fairy tales they follow.
Semite people are all spreaded in the middle east not only in this land and not all of them are living together or have the right to come and live in each other's countries, but the difference between this land and another semite land, this land never got the chance to lead itselve while another like Lebanon and Syria did get it

Which means it never existed.
it definitely existed, when the land was colonized by britain and occupied by ottoman empire didn't it have a name?I think it did have a name, you can say name has changed recently , 66 years ago and I believe thats not long time ago
Also palastine had a clear border on the map and the case of palastine is still fresh and discussed by people so I don't know why you think it never existed.

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Reply #31 on: January 12, 2014, 08:11:14 pm
Semite people are all spreaded in the middle east not only in this land and not all of them are living together or have the right to come and live in each other's countries, but the difference between this land and another semite land, this land never got the chance to lead itselve while another like Lebanon and Syria did get it
it definitely existed, when the land was colonized by britain and occupied by ottoman empire didn't it have a name?I think it did have a name, you can say name has changed recently , 66 years ago and I believe thats not long time ago
Also palastine had a clear border on the map and the case of palastine is still fresh and discussed by people so I don't know why you think it never existed.
Why does the formation of Israel means the land did not get to lead itself?
the kingdom of Judea was long before any name that even looks like Palestine was invented. A land having a name does not make a country. My point is that Israel does allow Muslims to live inside its borders in peace, yet many who call themselves Palestines refuse to return that favour to Jewish. Make peace, and stop thinking in terms of religion.

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Reply #32 on: January 12, 2014, 08:35:39 pm
I guess he's having fun with satan now, 8 years of coma is only his punishment on earth, imagine what his punishment in hell would be like..



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Reply #33 on: January 12, 2014, 08:35:56 pm
Why does the formation of Israel means the land did not get to lead itself?
the kingdom of Judea was long before any name that even looks like Palestine was invented. A land having a name does not make a country. My point is that Israel does allow Muslims to live inside its borders in peace, yet many who call themselves Palestines refuse to return that favour to Jewish. Make peace, and stop thinking in terms of religion.
because it isn't full democracy here, we don't get same rights and charges that a jewish person gets, I am talking as an arab Christian Orthodox guy
 for an example:(I am sure you already heard about stuff like this) we can not become pilots in israel because they don't trust us. this is one of the rights we lost.
the only charges that is dropped for arabs (that I know about) is army recruitment which I am sure they know we won't fight our people
I want peace.. Just in the right way..
you can't just occupied a whole country just because you claim you have the rights to live here and rule this lands when it is already filled with citizens I believe it is unfair for all who lives there, but thats history and I am trying to look into future
you don't know how much we want peace and to end all this up but we are not ready to only give out for peace  , this stuff should be done with negotiation which is bieng done but not moving on
I know you all tired from Jewish arab case.. so are we but giving up isn't the answer ...
anyways this conversation went a bit far, the main point was to prove that Palastine did exist and it does have it's people which still exist but without a land

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Reply #34 on: January 12, 2014, 08:40:43 pm
We have gone through this before. Palestine never existed.


Oh really? I though it was Israel that never existed. Here.. Educate yourself please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel



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Reply #35 on: January 12, 2014, 08:42:57 pm
The propensity of people to turn any topic that has "Israel" or "Palestine" into a long, drawn-out history discussion with insults has always amused me.

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Reply #36 on: January 12, 2014, 08:44:34 pm
Semite people are all spreaded in the middle east not only in this land and not all of them are living together or have the right to come and live in each other's countries, but the difference between this land and another semite land, this land never got the chance to lead itselve while another like Lebanon and Syria did get it
it definitely existed, when the land was colonized by britain and occupied by ottoman empire didn't it have a name?I think it did have a name, you can say name has changed recently , 66 years ago and I believe thats not long time ago
Also palastine had a clear border on the map and the case of palastine is still fresh and discussed by people so I don't know why you think it never existed.





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Reply #37 on: January 12, 2014, 08:45:11 pm
The propensity of people to turn any topic that has "Israel" or "Palestine" into a long, drawn-out history discussion with insults has always amused me.
didn't insult anyone though >.>

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Reply #38 on: January 12, 2014, 09:21:27 pm
Do you know guys a woman from Palestine i know her she died before month she died in age for like 95 or more years old, and the Jewish who made her to leave from her land to Egypt my country...... sorry Gandalf  for saying that you don't know history well...



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Reply #39 on: January 12, 2014, 09:46:11 pm
Rest in Peace, he was a great leader

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Reply #40 on: January 12, 2014, 09:48:21 pm
Do you know guys a woman from Palestine i know her she died before month she died in age for like 95 or more years old, and the Jewish who made her to leave from her land to Egypt my country...... sorry Gandalf  for saying that you don't know history well...
I know history better than you. Just check the post of Flaken and you will realize why it is that 40% or Israeli people speak Russian.
Also I am aware that in West Bank and Gaza modern shopping centers and hospitals exist, they are not the wasteland that some people would like us to believe.

What I am tired of is that the Palestines are not considering to co-exist and keep trying to play the victim. Had they been more active in 1948, they would not have to sit whinging today.

Israel is far from holy in their actions as well, but their problem is clear. How can you negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.

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Reply #41 on: January 12, 2014, 10:00:58 pm
Israel is far from holy in their actions as well, but their problem is clear. How can you negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.

Actually their main enemy is Iran (GOVERNMENTS OFCOURSE ! ), "Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (IRGC)" is controlling Hamas, which is leading by Khamenei (Iran's Leader) not the president, in this case President or at all NO-ONE else can do anything.

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Reply #42 on: January 12, 2014, 10:07:03 pm
We have gone through this before. Palestine never existed.
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Reply #43 on: January 12, 2014, 10:46:17 pm
I know there's many people of Israel from soviet union......and Charon a leader how he killed the Prisoners of War soldiers(ُEgyptians) prisoners in 1967!   



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Reply #44 on: January 12, 2014, 11:30:44 pm
Why does the formation of Israel means the land did not get to lead itself?
the kingdom of Judea was long before any name that even looks like Palestine was invented. A land having a name does not make a country. My point is that Israel does allow Muslims to live inside its borders in peace, yet many who call themselves Palestines refuse to return that favour to Jewish. Make peace, and stop thinking in terms of religion.
I am really disappointed at you. The known books of history said that the UK sent the most of jews in the world after WW2 to Palestine to live there. There was a deal of 50% of land of Palestinians and the other half is for the Jews, but the Muslims didn't accept that, because it is originally their own land from back of history. So it started a "small" war to enforce the Jewish in the land and the prime minister (or w/e) of UK in that time finished his deal with USA and Jews and gave them with force the land, if you say that they gave a favor, you're like saying f*ck you to the whole people of Islam and Arabs.
I know history better than you.
I know about THIS history better than you here.



 


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