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Reply #240 on: March 14, 2014, 06:06:56 pm
You keep making references of how i keep repeating and nagging and what not, but fail to provide any examples whatsoever. Can you please mention where i constantly repeated something? (Other than where you claim that i don't understand something yet refuse to explain it, where you constantly claim that i am repeating stuff failing to provide any examples and also any repetitions that had to be repeated as a reply to you repeating the claim/question)
You don't ask, so I assumed you knew exactly what I was talking about. You want an example of yourself repeating? Reread the very same post you have just made. I'll point it out a bit lower in mine.

Apart from that, everything has been explained in previous posts from my side upon the Crimea situation, hence I refer to them. It's not a matter of me refusing giving explanation, but more of you refusing to read. If you're too lazy to do that then too bad because I will not spoonfeed you as I don't have the patience of being a teacher. :lol:

Also, yep, i switched to something else.
You posted something, i replied entirely based on what you posted and countered it.
You claimed that i didn't answer your questions, i quoted all your questions and my replies to it.
But you continue to reply with something that has been countered already, wrapping it up in a nice post to make it look unique.

You claimed i am trying to attack you in my post. I posted all my references of you in which not a single attack against you has been made, whereas your previous post was filled with attacks against me. It is not something else you stated. It is exactly what you stated.
I'm not claiming anything, the fact that you use ad hominems to your argumentation speaks for itself.

Then suddenly you post this, which is not at all derived from my earlier post but you didn't forget to steal contents from it and apply it into another context. Yep, i'm the one trying to switch to something else.Again, you keep claiming that i don't understand what you are saying but fail to actually provide your explanation. Please kindly go ahead and explain to me what you meant by the nazism context instead of blatantly attacking me with generalities and accusing me of things i never did.
It is not my fault you are unable to comprehend a basic example. In fact, I think you understood it perfectly as you have yet again turned it into an ad hominem in order to not make it look like you have exactly no idea what you are talking about. Surprise surprise, I have this pointed out already -> Your first example of your repetitions. I made the connection of your logic supporting the people on the streets picking a government without external intervention nor legal election. This is a very comparable situation to Germany during the interbellum. If you fail to see that, then it is your duty to go and look it up yourself as it seems to me you don't even know what happened. Again, I'm not a teacher.

>First of all, you took the shoving guns in people's faces out of it's original context. Russia surrounding Ukrainian bases and demanding them to hand over all their Ships and Planes may be legal on paper (I highly doubt it, but as Cofi is a international lawyer, meh..) but you claim that there is absolutely no unrest in crimea against it. But of course you stripped the statement and put it in the context of invasion to frame me.
You're the one shouting "INVASION!!!" on every chance you get. I use that to counter you, not my fault you get frustrated because of it. And if you doubt the international law pointed out by Cofi then you have just made yourself lose all credibility you had left. :|

>So essentially, just because crimea used to be a part of Russia, Russia has the right to annex crimea? (Which i highly doubt is legal. Taking over crimea is one thing, annexing it into it's own territory is illegal).
Again, blowing things out of proportion. I think I've said this 8 times by now :lol: And yet again: No one is annexing anything, no one is invading anything. Your argument is not only invalid, but amusing, as you asked for an example of you repeating yourself again and again as this is exactly the perfect example. A second one by now and that only from the post you just made. :D

>And yet your original post was
PS: The Nietzsche quote was there because it was a useful bit of advice, not to make it look pretty. Your quote is just another insult.
If you find it insulting of me pointing out your logical fallacies covering up baseless argumentation then I suggest you stop posting in order to not be 'insulted' in the future.  :)



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Reply #241 on: March 18, 2014, 12:11:54 pm
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There are 1.9 million people in crimea, and you claim that not a single person of those 1.9 million people is offended by a foreign country walking into their home with guns, shoving guns into the face of your country's soldiers in the area and capturing/stealing planes/ships belonging to the ukrainian government stationed in crimea.

Noone walked in anyones home, noone shoved guns, lol and noone stole anything, they are just there. It is not a foreign country we are the same people, as a matter of fact it was a US plan to brake the union in small different countries so it would be easier to neutralize them, thats just how war and strategy works, and it makes perfect sense from a military point of view, it was done countless times...

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Then, you claim that there is absolutely nothing going on. Just how is that not illogical?
There is evidence all over the web that there are large scale protests all over crimea against Russian occupation, but i doubt Russia Today glorifies it in detail.

People don't just gather to protest... people have to eat, people go to the toilet, people waste their time, the shit doesnt disappear and there is no jesus that multiplies bread for people to consume, behind there is people with the financial capabilities to finance logistics for the movement to happen, this was made for more than 3 months, this was made by professionals, the money are being handed in cash boycotting tax.
Now you can count how many people were there and mow much money was spent, now where is this coming from if Ukraine is in all this deep shit because of bankrupcy?

Someone just used the situation as they have done before.

Yanukovich done his part, but as always he was just used and was about to be thrown away ))))) but that's a totally different story which as a whole was used as decoy.

The propaganda is made so you don't see who is behind it.

There is no discussion unless you guys are confronting propagandas :D



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You don't ask, so I assumed you knew exactly what I was talking about. You want an example of yourself repeating? Reread the very same post you have just made. I'll point it out a bit lower in mine.

Apart from that, everything has been explained in previous posts from my side upon the Crimea situation, hence I refer to them. It's not a matter of me refusing giving explanation, but more of you refusing to read. If you're too lazy to do that then too bad because I will not spoonfeed you as I don't have the patience of being a teacher. :lol:

Being spoonfed by propaganda is more enjoyable, probably...



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Reply #242 on: March 19, 2014, 03:44:11 pm
I just watched the Swedish EU commission's meeting with was streamed from the Parliament. Few points about energy and also a few about Ukraine and Russia. Sweden will take economically progress toward stopping trade agreements to Russia and also pay out emergency loans to Ukraine.

The newspaper wrote following;
The Swedish government and its Nordic and Baltic neighbours are ready to lend the new Ukrainian government money, Finance Minister Anders Borg said on Wednesday.

"There is no point in only sending money. There must also be possibilities to reform the politics," Borg said.

The Swedish government said that the IMF's review of the Ukrainian economy would determine exact loan conditions and interest rates. EU heads of government will also discuss such details next week. Ukraine has said it needs $30 to 35 billion in the next two years to reform and steady its economy.

"There's quite a considerable funding gap that needs to be filled," Borg said as he encouraged more EU nations to open their purses.

Sweden's stance will be put forward by Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt at a meeting for EU government chiefs next week.

"We want to first increase the pressure on other countries," Borg noted. "When Fredrik Reinfeldt at the EU meeting can underline that Sweden is ready then that puts pressure on the other countries to also help with bilateral programmes."

Borg can rely at home on the support of the main opposition party the Social Democrats, with whom he consulted before making the bilateral loan announcement, said Marie Grandlund, who sits on the parliamentary committee for EU affairs.

"It's important to show that we support Ukraine at the moment and it's important to send a message to Russia," Granlund said of the finance minister's plans. "So we are positive, but of course we have to look at what it entails and the shape it will take.["



 


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