Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Danny_Leo]

This topic's name is "let's get real," so let's get real. Criminal groups are not able to "raise their activity and change their tone" since they do not exist any more. The reset removed everything that made a group a criminal group. Buildings are just some small part of that.

I think that it is important to understand that not even one group today possess all the qualities of a criminal group. Now, all we have here are just some people who were previously known to be members or leaders of criminals group.

Since criminals groups are no longer criminal groups, it is quite normal to remove their official status. After all, they are no longer Mafias or gangs in any way. They are not motivated to continue or rebuild, so it's understandable if it doesn't happen.

It was actually a great idea to get rid of the whole "official group" concept here since it may take a year or two for a new powerful criminal group to emerge. And that may not happen at all since being a law-abiding fireman may become more prestigious and rewarding than being a mobster.

I honestly think that this situation is quite healthy for the community. Look at it this way: the needs of ARFD have been neglected for way too long; now, it is the time for them to steal the spotlight and continue their successful journey. There's no need to look at RS5 in a negative way: any situation leads to some advantages.

Finally, any statements regarding criminal groups "bailing out" are inappropriate since de facto these groups don't exist any more. By all means, if you wish to accuse a non-existent group of present problems – go ahead and do so. That must be fun.

Great explanation. Cheers mate.

[Joey_Creeks]

All of you are saying that if a return from RS5 to RS4 happens it will lose its future and its goal.
Ask yourself what is its goal? I will assume since its a RP server its goal is to provide players a enjoyable roleplay system and let other people interact with each other. Its obvious that this goal, well for now has failed. Since so many left (including myself) there is no one to RP with. There are around 11 ppl online as i am typing this and that discourages others to come in and play.
If you want to achieve a RP servers goal revert back to RS 4 and it will be achieved. This is the reason i voted for RS4  but it probably wont even matter. But who knows? I might be wrong and RS5 might be as good as RS4 in the player count perspective. And yes, i am saying that as long as there is a decent amount of people online more will join and so on and so forth. But with 7-20 players online not many will join.

[Abraham]

Play game > find issues > report issues > await results > no results? > quit > results? > play game

'issues' refer to faults in game mode, not bugs.

[Que]

This core functionality being removed has changed the game mode again translating to players leaving.

Our prominent player base with veterans, splendid roleplayers and excellent writers had already gone missing before RS5 turned public and widely open.

Argonath has always lacked the most important part of a roleplay server, yet some people has been patient enough to stay, and one another has already left a long time ago. The list can be made long and most importantly, it can be made by heavy names and incredible individuals, which has also led to this turning slingshot of Argonath's existence. The names were never replaced; not even by close. It left a vicious hole and also a gap between now and then. The players are after all the prime ingredient of it, and by having quite some large quantities abandoning an already necessitous server is with no doubts a hard rock to lift.

And the delicacy with the community has always been the forum, and if you compare it now to two- three years ago, the activity has decreased a lot. The removal of RS4 and the beginning of RS5 has only been a perfect time to actually wave good bye to something that once was something absolutely astonishing for us.

With this said, I don't think it will matter that much if Argonath will return to RS4. It is what it is and it is being thereafter. I like RS5 and I think it's a great scripted version with much heart and excellent visions. Unfortunately, I do not think it will ever bloom out to the way it was meant to do. And that's pretty much it.

[Alexander_Rijav]

There are many games on the community,take a break from SAMP if you really can't stand it. MTA,VC:MP,LU:MP IV:MP Mafia,Arma...
...or eat five donuts in the same time and be active on the forum 

[Manoni]

This isn't an option, you saying that we should just leave and do nothing about the new system instead of help and suggest ideas to make RS5 more suitable for the players? Please... get real.

[Nikiola]

Welll...... I dont know what to say About all of this RS4 & RS5 Shit

To me it's just a game An if the Player Base is dying or Afk Has some as said then oh well I guess
Stop going on an on about it just Come to a agreement with it

[Alexander_Rijav]

This isn't an option, you saying that we should just leave and do nothing about the new system instead of help and suggest ideas to make RS5 more suitable for the players? Please... get real.

It's your choice,I just gave some ideas for people who

can't stand RS5

returning RS4 is as logical as this. 

[Twister]

Why yall hatin JDC ?

[Scars]

Removed.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

I miss RS4,but i will get use to RS5 i hope

[Slavik]

You're all saying how GOOD RS5 is but no one has the balls to show up.

No one?
I play it everyday.

Who thought to release RS5 so early probably has mental problems.

The only reason it was released early, because RS4.1 lost 4 month of data.
So before telling everyone that people has mental problems maybe you should read why RS5 was released.

[JDC]

Who thought to release RS5 so early probably has mental problems.

So you want the players to suffer two sets of resets instead of one? Perhaps you should look in the mirror and consider who really has mental problems.

Same goes for JDC, you people shouldn't give 2 percent f**k about Gvardia, since you claim you're Argonath's soldiers, yet you're acting here like the subject is Gvardia.

Gvardias are but among several others who claim they do not give a damn about what was lost, yet complain about the system. Complaining and pointing out flaws itself is not so much the problem as the fact that you are not currently contributing to solutions to those flaws. As that is the case, you have no right to complain.

You say that your presence and absence will have no effect on the server?  That statement is only half true; your presence will have an effect. It may not magically bring up the player count, but it will be a step to more solutions in this community by having more people to contribute. Yet are you doing it?

If you cannot even get your members (those who remain amounting to 4, as per your claim) to play anymore, then that is an issue on your part as a group, and not the fault of the developers. This message is not only for you, but for all other factions and players who complain about the system while not doing anything to help solve it.


If criminal groups do indeed do not de facto exist anymore, then that is a failure on their part as groups as well, rather than being the fault of the system alone. We cannot accuse the system itself of wiping them out as factions such as Ancelotti (which, by the way, is currently the only formerly official faction that is well on the road to gaining back what they had) and Svensson continue to exist on the server.

Additionally, some players may point out that even some developers (i.e. Teddy) are dissatisfied with the gamemode. The difference, however, is that they are contributing solutions while many of the complainers are not.

Many people continue to be unable to understand the simple message:

Anyone who feels bad about the state the server is in would do best to go in and play instead of talking about it.
As long as all people do is talk here, nothing is going to change.

[Scars]

Removed.

[Twister]

I had some free time and I intented to check the climate of RC5. The newest script is good, I do enjoy it, I have nothing to complain. But the problem is the insignificant number of players. When I logged in, we were 5; and after a few minutes, the number transformed into 3. And the question is: How can you play like this under the respective circumstances ? I do believe that the changes were produced to bring something new, maybe something more profound than the previous script, and now the idea is to start again from the beginning.

And now, I am pointing my finger to the entire community: Where are you when your most beloved server needs help ? Why are you taking a role in these nonsense disscutions, instead of putting some effort on the practical side ? I have read the above statements, and I am 100% sure that at the end it will come to no conclusion. Guess why ? The fact is; you became too arrogant for giving a hand. You affirm that Argonath needs life; it's not a lively and energetic place. But have you asked yourself why is this happening ? Why is this tumult within the server ? It is because of your lack of interest and effort, you prefer to hide in shadow and wait for something to change. But you do not realize that YOU can change something. This demonstrates how much you are willing to help.

What bothers me, is the economical system. Players lost all of their properties, money, cars. And because of this reason, everybody needs to fly away. Example:

Personally I don't judge anyone but, put yourself in our shoes for one time.(directed to those outside of groups) You haven't lost most attractive properties on server from hotels to ammu-nations.. or a seven year old HQ.

Bro, I have lost MILLIONS of $$$, I got f**ked in the ass by many times by random players, I have lost THREE FACTIONS (i9-left), (TGG-got f**ked), and (BSM-my lovely faction <3. But same reason, I got f**ked here to.) And also; when I was leading BSM back in 2012; guess what ? Since I started this faction till I closed it, I have PLAYED with 40 f**kin K. Am I unique or what ? And even NOW, people asking me:''Bro, when you gonna come back with BSM ?'' ''Bro, that was da shit, we want BSM back!!'' I cared less of economical shit, and putted my heart in what I have done. And what do I need to do now ? Quit after all of this ? Do I need to cut my vains because of a funking reset of the system/script ? No. I am still here and simultaneously looking for roleplayers to open a new faction. Hell with economical system, I know that I'll take care of it.

So what do you need to do: Stop running incognito; stop yelling about that the newest updates are terrible. No. The terrible part refers to all of you. Stop acting like menstruation popped in.