Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Alexander_Rijav]

But not everyone,49% isn't minority! 

[SugarD]

Taking into consideration the comments from both sides of the fence over the last 35 pages, we must now look to the most factual representation of the community’s wish which is ultimately the poll that has taken place. Over the course of a week, more than 180 players have contributed to the poll and as it stands we have an absolute majority (51.1%) in favour of rolling back to RS4.



Reflecting on the results, the management/owner cannot stand idly by and disregard the collective voice of the community. It is clear by absolute majority that the community wish is to return to RS4 and in view of this all options must now be explored. Indirectly, this is supported by Gandalf’s commission to introduce a more democratic decision making society in Argonath and what better way to build this momentum by honouring the desire of the community to return to RS4.

That data is far from accurate. Not everyone uses the forums, the polls can easily be abused by users with multiple accounts, and you're only counting opinions of 180 users. SA:MP used to get more than that in a single day, with constant fluctuation in who was online and who wasn't. You're missing a good chunk of people's opinions there.

I would also like to add that 51.1% is not an "absolute majority". The RS4.x count is at 36.1%. That is not a huge difference in numbers.

[AK47]

As Frank said, RS4 is still the voice of 51% of the people who took their time to vote. Doesn't that say anything?

This server used to be a fun relaxation for me when I came home from work (and I bet I wasn't the only one feeling that) but look how it turned out. Of course people are upset when the server they used to love turned out like this. And most of the time the answer they get is; "Don't like it? GTFO then."

[SugarD]

As Frank said, RS4 is still the voice of 51% of the people who took their time to vote. Doesn't that say anything?

No, it doesn't. As I mentioned already:

That data is far from accurate. Not everyone uses the forums, the polls can easily be abused by users with multiple accounts, and you're only counting opinions of 180 users. SA:MP used to get more than that in a single day, with constant fluctuation in who was online and who wasn't. You're missing a good chunk of people's opinions there.

This is the same reason why the Oscars in Argo don't do forum polls anymore.

Also, in a topic with obvious bias leaning towards going back to RS4.x, you're going to get more people voting for it from the start. The vast majority of people involving themselves in the subject are the same ones who share the same opinion...

[Mr. Goobii]

No, it doesn't. As I mentioned already:
This is the same reason why the Oscars in Argo don't do forum polls anymore.

Also, in a topic with obvious bias leaning towards going back to RS4.x, you're going to get more people voting for it from the start. The vast majority of people involving themselves in the subject are the same ones who share the same opinion...

And you are of course skeptical about democracy in real life, since not everyone vote and it can be abused.. Right?

The numbers that are current pointed out by the community most mean something...

You have a more twisted mind than Mikal...

[JDC]

And you are of course skeptical about democracy in real life, since not everyone vote and it can be abused.. Right?

The numbers that are current pointed out by the community most mean something...

You have a more twisted mind than Mikal...

Democracy? The Oscars was one of the purest applications of "democracy" in Argonath, but that did not stop it from being filled with shit and cheating. Not by admins or HQ, but by regular players.

Sometimes, what the majority (or in the case of the poll, the "majority") wants is not always the right thing. If you want to apply the real life democracy example, look at the political situations of many "democracies" and look how fucked-up things have become.

[Mr. Goobii]

I refer more on his before statements.

[EminemRulez]

Possibilities? Losing almost 100 percent players, do you really think there are any possibilities?...

Argonath lost noone by what I can see, y'all still here complaining, what don't you login?

[Conk]

Democracy? The Oscars was one of the purest applications of "democracy" in Argonath, but that did not stop it from being filled with shit and cheating. Not by admins or HQ, but by regular players.

Sometimes, what the majority (or in the case of the poll, the "majority") wants is not always the right thing. If you want to apply the real life democracy example, look at the political situations of many "democracies" and look how f**ked-up things have become.

JDC are you even an active SAMP player?

[Alexander_Rijav]

JDC are you even an active SAMP player?

He is,at least those days.

[SugarD]

And you are of course skeptical about democracy in real life, since not everyone vote and it can be abused.. Right?

The numbers that are current pointed out by the community most mean something...

Clearly you have no idea how a democratic voting system in real life works. There are multiple measures to protect from the abuse, and people are encouraged to vote, with plenty of information over an extensive period of time explaining how. None of that exists in this topic.

Those numbers mean nothing. This topic was biased towards RS4.x from the start, even in its previous topic. Of course the votes will be higher for the RS4.x choice. It is mostly pro-RS4.x users that are reading and discussing this, regardless of the overall public's opinions, no matter what they may be. This is not a fair voting ground, even ignoring the other issues I already mentioned several times now.

JDC are you even an active SAMP player?

I saw him in-game just the other day.

[Frank_Hawk]

SugarD,

Time is scarce for me but I'll try to alleviate the concerns you've raised.  The data collected in this poll is unbiased, transparent and free of fraudulent activity (forum moderators are able to carry out due diligence by potentially removing false accounts where applicable). Also, an absolute majority is declared once one body has over 50 percent of the voting in a poll – please seek out proper evidence before making certain claims.

[SugarD]

SugarD,

Time is scarce for me but I'll try to alleviate the concerns you've raised.  The data collected in this poll is unbiased, transparent and free of fraudulent activity (forum moderators are able to carry out due diligence by potentially removing false accounts where applicable). Also, an absolute majority is declared once one body has over 50 percent of the voting in a poll – please seek out proper evidence before making certain claims.

1. It is not unbiased, as the topic itself was biased based on the fact that the topic was created because some users were not happy with RS5, and wanted RS4.x back. That alone puts the poll into its own bias grouping.
2. Forum Moderators are not able to detect, nor remove, any doubled or false user accounts. Only forum Administrators can do that, and I highly doubt they are going through the polls to do this. It is also very difficult to catch people making double/false accounts, in some cases.
3. This is not the U.S. Government. An absolute majority does not exist. Regardless, the lack of votes from missing users can sway this poll in either direction. We do not have the missing votes to say for certain what they outcome would be. You simply have a poll of what most users watching this topic, (who actually voted), believe. That is not the entire community.

[Kizzu]

I suggest the community to move to MTA:SA due to infinite possibilities, however if that is not possible, let RS5 stay. I don't get how people get attached to virtual money/goods.

[Petarda]

I suggest the community to move to MTA:SA due to infinite possibilities, however if that is not possible, let RS5 stay. I don't get how people get attached to virtual money/goods.

Many of us moved there.