Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Antonio.]

JDC, please tell me how you contributed to SA:MP's gameplay in the past years other than thinking you know all the solutions and posting long posts on the forum and making the "Just RP It" slogan popular?

The only thing that I see yourself enjoying is posting a lot of stuff related to the server, yet not doing anything.
Saying "Just RP It" to ideas that could have developed the server a long time ago.
And last but not least, being a more stricter admin when it came to bans.

[AK47]

Sure, but don't come here and advertise

I'm not, just want my and the other 110 disappeard players favorite server to come back.

[Pandalink]

Windows 98 was my first OS and I had a lot of memorable experiences on it too. But hey, I'm not getting it back either.

Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users. You could make exactly the same comparison for XP, Vista and 7.

[SugarD]

...Then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated.

No it wasn't. People were upset that things had changed, but they didn't hate it. They just didn't want to adapt to it. They eventually got over it anyway.

Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users.

They made a small compromise for a single, disliked detail as an added option. They didn't redo the entire thing from scratch, or start selling copies of Windows 7 again, (original or modified). People also actually listened to their solutions and tried them instead of *****ing about how much they hated the issue to begin with.

[JDC]

I already tried it for a month (as you know) and I still don't like it, that's why I'll stick to 0.3z and another SA:MP community.

Congratulations on moving on, we hope you will be happier there instead of bothering us here.

JDC, please tell me how you contributed to SA:MP's gameplay in the past years other than thinking you know all the solutions and posting long posts on the forum and making the "Just RP It" slogan popular?

Before I answer that question, will you accuse me of bragging after I answer your query?

The only thing that I see yourself enjoying is posting a lot of stuff related to the server, yet not doing anything.
Saying "Just RP It" to ideas that could have developed the server a long time ago.

Funny, I am ingame regularly, circulating with other players and saving up money to start a regular event initiative. How are you contributing to SA:MP now, aside from not being here?

Many of those ideas were shit, by the way.

And last but not least, being a more stricter admin when it came to bans.

I actually regret that I was not strict enough, as many of those who love to stay here and shit are still enjoying the freedom to do so. I'm wondering where they would be if Aragorn (who actually knows how to discuss a solution, despite being strict) was still around.

Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users. You could make exactly the same comparison for XP, Vista and 7.

Unlike Windows, which is a mass-marketed operating system, the SA:MP server can obviously only run one gamemode at a time, so we do not have much of a choice. (unless someone here actually steps up to Gandalf's challenge and makes RS4 happen again. Anyone?)

RS4 was an outdated script that was poorly maintained, filled with many different coding techniques rather than a streamlined design. Windows 7, on the other hand, was fast, stable, and (is still being) hailed as innovation, which means it stands up to Windows 8 (despite the latter's superior handling in some aspects) much better than RS4 can stand up  to RS5. You should know this as well.

As for compromising, the HQ is already discussing solutions, and are seeking ways to improve it. (one of the topics being linked in my signature, by the way) However, people seem to like bitching rather than giving actual constructive solutions to our problems.

If people helped solve something they do not like instead of complaining about it, we'd actually progress better.

[Gomes]

No it wasn't. People were upset that things had changed, but they didn't hate it. They just didn't want to adapt to it. They eventually got over it anyway.
They made a small compromise for a single, disliked detail as an added option. They didn't redo the entire thing from scratch, or start selling copies of Windows 7 again, (original or modified). People also actually listened to their solutions and tried them instead of *****ing about how much they hated the issue to begin with.

Dude, you talk a lot of bullshit, it's almost unbelievable you have no shame in making stuff up.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/173804-windows-8s-market-share-finally-reaches-10-but-is-overshadowed-by-linuxs-big-gain-and-xps-decline
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-own-numbers-show-windows-8-sales-falling-rapidly-218050
http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2014/01/14/how-windows-8-is-smashing-laptop-desktop-sales
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-7-outpacing-windows-8-adoption-shows-latest-figures-7000021383/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/174583-windows-9-coming-in-2015-will-try-its-hardest-to-distance-itself-from-the-windows-8-train-wreck

It happened to Vista and it happened to Windows 8 again, what microsoft did? Rushed to released Windows 7 and is now rushing to release Windows 9 because they understand that people will not simply adapt to something they didnt liked.

[Mopreme]

(unless someone here actually steps up to Gandalf's challenge and makes RS4 happen again. Anyone?)

A very realistic challenge, by the way.
He only came up with such a challenge as a result of how RS5 turned out to be, well-knowing that returning to RS4 would be the right choice. Although, admitting failure can be tough, but not having the balls to do so even if it means "moving towards other projects" is just naive and moreover pitiful.

But go on, take your shortsighted mind with you and hold up your signs urging people to "Go IG - RP & have fun".

[SugarD]

A very realistic challenge, by the way.
He only came up with such a challenge as a result of how RS5 turned out to be, well-knowing that returning to RS4 would be the right choice. Although, admitting failure can be tough, but not having the balls to do so even if it means "moving towards other projects" is just naive and moreover pitiful.

But go on, take your shortsighted mind with you and hold up your signs urging people to "Go IG - RP & have fun".

What are you talking about? If the return of RS4 was the "right choice", then explain why not a single person has attempted his challenge to allow their demands to come true.

Not a single one.

[Mopreme]

What are you talking about? If the return of RS4 was the "right choice", then explain why not a single person has attempted his challenge to allow their demands to come true.

Not a single one.

Yeah, alright. Let's donate 400 Euro and then on top of that, keep the server on 200+ players 24/7.
Realistic.

I guess if you got challenged to jump off a building in order to keep RS5 alive, you'd probably jump straight away. Good for you.

[Jones]

Windows is a poor analogy to use because it works against the argument you're making. Windows 7 was what everyone liked, then they released Windows 8 which was universally hated. Technically the underlying systems were better and it had better performance, but it had features that nobody had asked for and were disliked across board (sound familiar yet?).
Did MS force people to use it, at the risk of losing customers to a different OS? No, they changed it to make the desktop boot a default option because that's what people actually wanted. They made a compromise based on the actual needs of the users. You could make exactly the same comparison for XP, Vista and 7.

In all fairness I think this is a pretty good opinion. Everyone should accept the fact that RS5 is here and that's what it's going to be, yet there's a majority of people that would like RS4 back, so clearly there's features within RS4 that aren't included with RS5 and I'm sure the developers would look into that.

[Devin]

Yeah, alright. Let's donate 400 Euro and then on top of that, keep the server on 200+ players 24/7.
Realistic.

I guess if you got challenged to jump off a building in order to keep RS5 alive, you'd probably jump straight away. Good for you.

I haven't a clue what you have been reading but no where did Gandalf say that the server must be on 200+ players constantly.
He stated that there must be upto 200 unique players per day, as in logging in, not 200 players constantly online.

[Mopreme]

I haven't a clue what you have been reading but no where did Gandalf say that the server must be on 200+ players constantly.
He stated that there must be upto 200 unique players per day, as in logging in, not 200 players constantly online.

Ah okay, I might have interpret that wrong, then. But it's still just... LOL.

Regarding RS5, he has told the player count isn't relevant. Based on that challenge, player count can't get more relevant.
I don't really know what asking for money to correct something they made tells you, but to me, it's just another of the many signs showing nothing but the desire to prevent gandalf's "vision" to go to waste as well as the scripters time on RS5. Personally, I do find that egotistic.
Fact of the matter is, you could either carry on with your "stop being on the forum and just play the disliked RS5"-nonsense or you could man up by taking a look at the cold numbers showing the true state of your server.

[Antonio.]

Before I answer that question, will you accuse me of bragging after I answer your query?

Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

Funny, I am ingame regularly, circulating with other players and saving up money to start a regular event initiative. How are you contributing to SA:MP now, aside from not being here?

And just because you probably (can't say since I don't play anymore) started being recently active you think you're the cure and Mr.KnowItAll for the whole situation? Where were you when the server was constantly at 150/150 and groups like Gvardia, Corleone, Ancelotti etc. were keeping the server alive? Or did you just decide to now get active to try to impress somebody? I kinda saw you post a few times that "you're doing this in game" and that "you're contributing by doing this in-game" and let me just ask you to please stop. There are a lot of people who have the right to claim that they really did contribute to something in Argonath and you're not one of them.

I am not contributing because I left the server about two months ago.

Many of those ideas were shit, by the way.

Your opinion. Though your "just RP it" point of view wasn't really supported by the majority of the players.

I actually regret that I was not strict enough, as many of those who love to stay here and shit are still enjoying the freedom to do so. I'm wondering where they would be if Aragorn (who actually knows how to discuss a solution, despite being strict) was still around.

Even if you were, that wouldn't have any effect right now.

[AK47]

19/100 now. Not full, but certainly not empty.

If you compare it with 140/150 it's fucking empty.

[Danikaa]

Everyone talked bulls**t  about RS4 too.. I dont have a problem with RS5 Its actually more better then RS4 just you need to adapt ..