Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[AK47]

I started my group some days ago, I have around $6000 yet I manage to have fun every day.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

I started my group some days ago, I have around $6000 yet I manage to have fun every day.

Well that is because you have great people, and even better roleplayers by your side

[Aca]

71 pages, are you guys serious?

[Stivi]

Script is easier, more fun, frankly i enjoyed RS4 alot more than i enjoy RS5, and not just me, EVERYONE.

This is a fact, right ?

[Skecis]

i enjoyed RS4 alot more than i enjoy RS5, and not just me, EVERYONE.

Well since i enjoy RS5 more than RS4 soo... kinda wrong..

Rs4 was old news.. Everything you needed there was drugs, and buisiness.. In RS5 it's a lot more interesting, cuz none of those play that big role. And new Economical system is great. Ofcourse have some things that may not be needed, but its great that argo have something new. It just gives other ppl chance to grow. And most of players just cant stand the idea of loosing what they had, and cant get over it

[Slavik]

Well since i enjoy RS5 more than RS4 soo... kinda wrong..

[Comrade]

I really can't be bothered reading the 71 pages so I'll just lay out my two cents.

Is RS5 really that bad compared to RS4? I was inactive a lot in the last year of RS4 (mostly due to many of my old friends retiring and my lack of interest in SA:MP) so I never really got around to fully checking out RS5, but I'm sure it can't be terrible compared to RS4, rigth? Apart from the roleplay which had gotten worse over the years, all one did was go on /duty or stock up on drugs with a fucked up economy where everyone was a millionaire. Hell I was sitting on around 25-30 million myself.

I really though that RS5 and the reset that followed really breathed some new life into the server and community. If it didn't, hold your horses and wait up. I'm sure Gimli and the other scripters are working hard on making RS5 a better experience for everybody. They may be slow (RS5 was supposed to come out at the end of December 2011, haha) but I believe it'll be worth the wait.

[JDC]

71 pages, are you guys serious?

Blame the propensity of people to talk and point fingers rather than do something about their problems.

[Manas]

To Comrade as you asked about major problems-
We see a lot of people complaining of assets they lost during reset
You cant give weapons to anyone
if you buy weps, you will lose them somehow in 1-2 days if you're active enough due to bugs
If you take a loan for a house or a bizz
The business system is blocked and doesn't work as of now.
People took loans with the hope that their bizzes will earn them a major part to pay back. So now they are dissatisfied
People bought cars and >90% of the vehicles are bugged
If you lose connection to server suddenly, there is major chance of losing your assets like drugs and weps
You get killed by bug/someone=-- you lose seeds+drugs
the drug rates are very low like 28-35p/g =this seriously discourages drug system
And to find a drug spot you need to work in finding a spot which change randomly in regular intervals of time.
So basically a player's thinking for drug system is like,"I could make much better bucks by doing a firemission like 1k-3k instead of finding a spot and then growing for like 10weed and then getting a net profit of 300$""
there are still many bugs, i recommend you to have a look at BUG Section.
As per my thinking, RS4 was much stable and better in all the above mentioned aspects! There could be made a RS 5.1 [ containing the best of 4.1 and 5]

[Comrade]

@Manas
Ah, I can see why some people are upset but personally I don't think it is much of a problem.

We see a lot of people complaining of assets they lost during reset

It's a reset. Some people like it, some people don't. Nothing one can do about it really. Personally I believe a reset was a good choice because frankly the economy was really bad.

You cant give weapons to anyone

I really hope that this will be fixed soon then. Being unable to trade in an RPG is a big problem.

if you buy weps, you will lose them somehow in 1-2 days if you're active enough due to bugs

Yeah, we had that bug back in 2010 too. They fixed it in a few months but it always came back in different ways. I guess it's back again.

The business system is blocked and doesn't work as of now.
People took loans with the hope that their bizzes will earn them a major part to pay back. So now they are dissatisfied

I suppose the system is unfinished. That's bad, but then again people shouldn't have been diving into businesses so fast.

People bought cars and >90% of the vehicles are bugged

Okay, I get it. Lots of bugs. It's bad but this has to be waited out.

If you lose connection to server suddenly, there is major chance of losing your assets like drugs and weps
You get killed by bug/someone=-- you lose seeds+drugs

Yup, as I said earlier it's the same bug from 2010. We've got no choice but to wait until it's fixed.

the drug rates are very low like 28-35p/g =this seriously discourages drug system

Now this, this is very good. Back in 2010 and 2011 drug rates were 20-21 p/g and that kept the economy stable. When drugs started to increase in price, so did the players' greed and shit just went offtrack. As of now, thanks to the reset we don't have players sitting on millions and millions of money. There's not a lot of money in the server and so the drugs are cheap compared to 2013 in RS4. I sincerely hope that the drugs will stay this way, this is something I've been waiting for.

And to find a drug spot you need to work in finding a spot which change randomly in regular intervals of time.
So basically a player's thinking for drug system is like,"I could make much better bucks by doing a firemission like 1k-3k instead of finding a spot and then growing for like 10weed and then getting a net profit of 300$""

There's more work involved. That's just good, isn't it? Gives players more things to do. If all one cares about is profit, then go do the fire missions then. The game isn't all about making money. Those that understand it will have a great time, those that don't will not. Simple as that.


Basically the problem is that players were too used to the fucked up economy of RS4 and are now clueless about what to do in RS5. Well, adapt. Adapt and overcome.

The second problem is the bugs. Of course there would be bugs, and of course they are bad. But there's nothing we players can do about it so we should just try to live with it until the scripters fix them. It's important to keep a positive attitude and things will look bright. There is no need to be upset, really. Just go with the flow.

[Stivi]

So basically a player's thinking for drug system is like,"I could make much better bucks by doing a firemission like 1k-3k instead of finding a spot and then growing for like 10weed and then getting a net profit of 300$""

So basically you are pretty wrong. Might not want to advance forward.

[Vince]

And during RS3 when the server was going through its peak of happiness and player satisfaction there was MAX like 60 people everyday..... this is before official SA:MP lists and "advanced" RS4 scripts......

The amount of players does not always equal success.

In RS3, we had a maximum of 50-70 players every day, but the overall quality of the community back then was much higher.

This gives you another question to ponder on: removing scripts from the picture, what was it back then that is lacking now, and how can we bring it back?

thank u sir for repeating wut i just said lulZ


On a serious note, that's a really good question. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say it's guidance. Back then with RS3 Gandalf, Aragorn, and a lot of the leaders were active ingame playing, GUIDING the players on how to be good roleplayers and good people on the server. If there was an issue, they were there to squash the issue or decide if it was not important enough to bother with.

As the leaders became more inactive ingame just playing, new players and old players alike lost that guidance, and the new "guiders" were leaders of groups that may or may not have had the best intentions for the server and community in mind... focusing more on material things and competitiveness than friendship and fun.

Just my two cents. What do you think, Panda?

[Kingston]

RS5 is the new thing. RS4 is long gone.
Time to make a change, RS5 is the new Argonath.

[Mr. Goobii]

I'm not Panda, but I'll speak toward my ideology and I must say that I'll give you damn 10/10 cookies for your speech. People are to upset about focusing for them-self, trying to earn money and trying to achieve some kind of victory by competitive with the rest. There is a possibility to have both, but to have both things, you most enjoy them.

The reason why Svensson is only recruiting people who is Swedish and that fits your own group of people is just because we want to have fun. We cannot have fun time with someone that we find being annoying or harassing other people. We just don't take in people that are just "Swedish" - Many people have asked to be a part of Svensson even if they are Swedish and got rejected. Few people even got invited due to their personality rather than being Swedish, Truth, Benson, Janek and a few other for example.

Groups should be based on fun, creativity, roleplay and not on a victory type based on DM, brutality and dis-quality of guidance.

I'll support your note Vince, somewhere in the shadow hides a secret that may be the reason of all of this. Maybe only Sauroman knows the depth of the shadow, and I'm totally high right now.

[Frank_Hawk]

and I'm totally high right now.